Jack Bragg in the News ...

[Admin]

http://www.star-telegram.com/408/story/297517.html

Not a bad story - although the author of the article is a cretin (see my response to his OTHER article).

- Dan

[Simoni]

Looks like that newspaper is doing a series of articles on the subject of international marriages...

http://www.star-telegram.com/408/story/297508.html

http://www.star-telegram.com/600/story/297522.html

[pitbull]

Did Jack REALLY say all that?
If yes-his way of marketing FSU women as affordable Stepford wives is a direct cause of such sad stories as the one of Natasha from the other story

Am I the only one who has a "just accidentally stepped in dirt" feeling?

[mspanky]

Amazingly, Jack expects from a woman what he is not willing to be for her. He wants her to take pride in how she looks ,work out and be  slim,yet he could stand to lose some  weight and looks like he avoids the gym . You should'nt expect from a partner what you are unwilling to be. Othewise don't be suprised if the relationship ends up being "All about the Benjamins".

Describe the ideal First Dream woman.

JACK: "She is in very good shape. She's between 5'6" and 5'8", from 105 to 130 pounds. She takes a lot of pride in how she looks. She always finds time to work out".


 

[timothe]

Amazingly, Jack expects from a woman what he is not willing to be for her. He wants her to take pride in how she looks ,work out and be  slim,yet he could stand to lose some  weight and looks like he avoids the gym . You should'nt expect from a partner what you are unwilling to be. Othewise don't be suprised if the relationship ends up being "All about the Benjamins".

Describe the ideal First Dream woman.

JACK: "She is in very good shape. She's between 5'6" and 5'8", from 105 to 130 pounds. She takes a lot of pride in how she looks. She always finds time to work out".

Spanky, you've made that same statement a number of times as if it is the be all and end all of relationship advice with FSU women.  But I think your opinion is a more Western view, frankly. 

Good looking physically fit FSU women can easily find good looking physically fit FSU men...they are a dime a dozen.  But many of these men lack in other areas.  (and not necessarily tied to financial well-being, although that definitely plays a part)

When I do things for my lady, like cook or wash dishes, she gets all jazzed up about it.  Many of these women are accustomed to men who act like infant children that even the slightest bit of care or consideration from the man is met with great joy and gratitude.  And once these women realize that this type of behavior is normal for Western men, they melt like butter.

The other part that I think you fail to realize is that a good woman from FSU is quite the opposite of these GCGs.  A good FSU woman will hang in there through the bad times because she has been raised to be the strong person in the family.  (because many of the men are not)  They are very unlikely to bail if the man puts on weight and doesn't keep himself in fit condition.  In my opinion, this is the least of their concerns. 

I've met Jack's wife and she's very attractive.  She also seems very attracted to Jack and an integral part of his business.  I may be wrong, but I don't see her leaving for greener pastures any time soon.   

[Bruno]

I've met Jack's wife and she's very attractive.  She also seems very attracted to Jack and an integral part of his business.  I may be wrong, but I don't see her leaving for greener pastures any time soon.   

??? I have think that Jack was divorced from his russian wife... some time ago, a topic was started explaining a problem related to the wish of having child... Is Jack already married with a other RW ?

[Mir]

A couple of months ago on this forum I asked Jack if he was married (as I thought he was from his posts).
He said he is divorced and looking again, so I wonder who Timothy met and when?

[Photo Guy]

June Cleaver and Donna Reed were not Stepford Wives. They were
intelligent, strong, and feminine.

[Bruce]

I think that article is as good as any Iindependently written article I have seen on International dating.  Jack's quotes were honest, experienced and right on as far as I am concerned.  The picture of Jack was excellent as well. 

[pitbull]

June Cleaver and Donna Reed were not Stepford Wives. They were
intelligent, strong, and feminine.

Yep...:"It would come as no surprise if there were men walking around today with "June" tattooed on their arms instead of "Mom." For millions of viewers June Evelyn Broson Cleaver has grown to become the quintessential American mother. If the Garden of Eden was starting anew as a suburb, June would be the ideal Ever - pretty, tireless wife, mother and homemaker.

To be sure, June considers herself a fulfilled woman according to the most traditionally conservative American view of womanhood: a girl goes to school to find a good provider, gets married, sets up his home, bears his children and his problems at the sacrifice of any greater ambition of her own. She is the homebody extraordinaire, allowed to fly from the next only long enough to do the family shopping, attend school and church meetings and visit relatives and friends. Even her hobbies are home oriented - like crocheting and making curtains.

The kitchen is the central core of June Cleaver’s life. Although a spotless range and oven have replaced the hearth, June still prepares two elaborate hot meals each day, three on weekends with tender loving care. Her coffeepot is ever ready for her husband and there’s milk, cookies, fruit and often cake for her boys when they come home from school."

Oh. yeah, RW is a specific June Cleaver, according to Jack: She'll be all the above plus "do whatever it takes to get a man and keep him pleased" If that's what Jack's
 clients are willing to buy-no wonder lots of RW end up in abusive marriage   

[Turboguy]

I agree with Bruce.    The article on Jack was nice and well balanced.  The photo was great.   As far as the other two articles one was the feminine extremist propaganda we hear so often and the other was a peek at when things do go good.  

I think the most common scenario is somewhere between the two last articles.   To me the most common scenario is people who find happiness but have to work on it and face some difficulties and challenges that are a part of real life anyway and people who mean well but don't quite make it together.   The real story never seems to end up in the news.

If Jack is married this would be a very recent development.  I am quite certain he is still single.

Jack's advertising campaigns are as honest as anyone in the industry or more honest.

[LiveFromUkraine]

When I do things for my lady, like cook or wash dishes, she gets all jazzed up about it.  Many of these women are accustomed to men who act like infant children that even the slightest bit of care or consideration from the man is met with great joy and gratitude.  And once these women realize that this type of behavior is normal for Western men, they melt like butter.

You are not kidding Timothe.  My wife's cousin is sometime woken up from sleeping because her husband wants a clean fork.  ???
I cleaned the bathroom and I was the King Daddy of the world.   


Thomas

[timothe]

Sorry guys.  I didn't know Jack was divorced.  The last contact I had with him was his last BBQ in May. 

(Do you guys feel better now that you've all pointed out how wrong I was?)

[Bruno]

Sorry guys.  I didn't know Jack was divorced.  The last contact I had with him was his last BBQ in May. 

(Do you guys feel better now that you've all pointed out how wrong I was?)

Hmmm, in May.... What was the year ?

Finaly, i have find the topic about his divorce... dated from 26/10/2005 ( whowww, seem that i have a very good memory ) ... http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=909.msg19654#msg19654

Now, i feel beter... not because i have show that you was wrong but because i have find the evidence who show that i was right 

[Simoni]

June Cleaver and Donna Reed were not Stepford Wives. They were
intelligent, strong, and feminine.

What???   Can't believe you said that!     LOL

I'll take my strong, sexy, intelligent FSU women any day, buddy.  She is MUCH better than June Cleaver was ever shown to be. 

June Clever is not my type of woman.

[Jack]

The last contact I had with him was his last BBQ in May.   (Do you guys feel better now that you've all pointed out how wrong I was?)

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Timothe, it's no problem, easy enough mistake to make as my ex-wife and I are still very close, still have love for each other.

  yet he could stand to lose some  weight and looks like he avoids the gym. 

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mspanky, I am a big man, always played sports, baseball, college scholarship for soccer, semi-pro football, and years and years of basketball, my favorite. And mspanky from what I understand today from the doctors, being a big man is the only reason why I am alive today. Evidently my arteries feeding into my heart are big, massive as one doctor said, and allowed for the flowing of many blood clots that would have clogged the arteries and heart of an average size man. 

Now spanky hate to burst your bubble here big boy but I certainly do not avoid the gym.  In fact I have just returned from the gym, minutes ago, as I do every Tuesday and Friday, from 11am to 1pm, running 1.5 hours full court with young men of 22, 27, 33, 38, 40 years of age.  And guess what spanky, I score, I defend, and for  being the oldest man on the court, I ALWAYS hold my own with these young men even on bad days when I'm not hitting my 12-15 foot jumpers. On these days I concentrate on D.






Hey Mr. Pit, a question and a statement.

First the question.  You make the comment,...

  Did Jack REALLY say all that?   Am I the only one who has a "just accidentally stepped in dirt" feeling?

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"IF" you have the balls Pit can you please tell me, and others, as to what I said that made you feel you had a "stepped in dirt feeling"?   I would really like to hear your rational behind such an assertion.




Next, my statement. If you think I wrote the following,........


Yep...:"It would come as no surprise if there were men walking around today with "June" tattooed on their arms instead of "Mom." For millions of viewers June Evelyn Broson Cleaver has grown to become the quintessential American mother. If the Garden of Eden was starting anew as a suburb, June would be the ideal Ever - pretty, tireless wife, mother and homemaker.

To be sure, June considers herself a fulfilled woman according to the most traditionally conservative American view of womanhood: a girl goes to school to find a good provider, gets married, sets up his home, bears his children and his problems at the sacrifice of any greater ambition of her own. She is the homebody extraordinaire, allowed to fly from the next only long enough to do the family shopping, attend school and church meetings and visit relatives and friends. Even her hobbies are home oriented - like crocheting and making curtains.

The kitchen is the central core of June Cleaver’s life. Although a spotless range and oven have replaced the hearth, June still prepares two elaborate hot meals each day, three on weekends with tender loving care. Her coffeepot is ever ready for her husband and there’s milk, cookies, fruit and often cake for her boys when they come home from school."

Oh. yeah, RW is a specific June Cleaver, according to Jack: She'll be all the above plus "do whatever it takes to get a man and keep him pleased" If that's what Jack's clients are willing to buy-no wonder lots of RW end up in abusive marriage.........



.....than your a little more dense than I gave you credit for being. 



DO NOT try to promulgate I made statements I did not make. I will not allow your obtuse attempt to deceive go unchallenged.


Pit you write..... "Oh. yeah, RW is a specific June Cleaver, according to Jack: She'll be all the above plus"..... 


DO NOT try to indicate that I wrote, that I stated, any of the comments from "above".   YOU are WRONG!   It is best if you do not know what you are talking about, to not talk.


Try to read and keep things in context Pit.  You use the quote "do whatever it takes to get a man and keep him pleased".   And then add YOUR  illiterate statement   "If that's what Jack's clients are willing to buy-no wonder lots of RW end up in abusive marriage".   

What a stupid, idiotic, and misleading statement to make Pit.

WHERE do YOU get the idea to even question that ANY of my clients buy a wife?   ???

And sense you seem to be an authority on the matter, by the statements you are writing, can you please tell us how many, or a close percentage, as to how many RW end up in an abusive marriages?   Please Pit, you have essentially taken the time to write that lot's of RW who are bought, who will do whatever it takes to please there men, end up in abusive marriages.  You wrote this, can you back it up?      And to save the membership time from waiting for your reply I will answer my question to you for you,... NO, you cannot. You are simply talking out of one side of your ass.

Now Pit one thing that helps men in there pursuit for a Russian bride is education, something it appears you are greatly lacking in.   It does help any foreign man who has an interest in a Russian bride to know as much about her, her culture, her heritage, as possible in hopes of finding a Russian bride we are each truly compatible with. 

Let's look at the misleading and outlandish statement you are trying to present here......" She'll be all the above plus "do whatever it takes to get a man and keep him pleased"......

Pit, with the statement you are trying to crucify, please look at the actual stated quote. It reads as follows,......."Meanwhile, a Russian woman -- and this has been passed down from one generation to the next -- has learned to do whatever it takes to get a man and keep him pleased".......


Pit, do you have any idea as to what this statement means and what is referring to? .... And again, in hopes of not having the members here wasting there time waiting for your answer I will answer that for you,..   NO,  you have no idea as to what the statement is referring to.

Russian women 108  Pit,  yea it's not in classes 101, 102  or 103, you learn this after you learn some of the basic's.  Pit, myself and most all men who have been fortunate to have been loved by a good Russian woman KNOW that she will do whatever she can to please her man.  And how, when, why, were these Russian women taught, or told about the importance of pleasing there man?

As a result of the great Patriotic war, Russia was desolated by the loss of men. No other country suffered the loss of men that Russia did.  After the war there were reports of many small towns that had one man for every 50 ladies, some reports of one man for every 100 ladies and there are even reports of some villages having almost 200 women for each man.  And some of these men only had one arm or one leg but this did not matter as the competition for a man was intense. 

Just think about it for a minute, one man for every 50 or 75 ladies in many areas of Russia. And if you were one of the lucky few women who were able to get a Russian man after the war, "you did what it took to keep your man and to keep him happy".  If you did not, you would lose him.  Mothers passed this trait down to there daughters, grandmothers passed this trait down to there grand-daughters, and so on.

I love Russian history and have on several occasions talked to old ladies today who were young women in the late 40's and early 50's. The stories they tell are un-believable.  She did not want to lose her man.  She feed him well, she washed and kept his clothes clean and she made him new clothes with her own hands. She always looked good for him, she always looked exciting for him, she never had a headache late at night or early in the morning.  Daughters could see how mom treated dad. Mother passed this down to daughter who passed it down to her daughter who passed it down to her daughter.

So Pit although you are trying to paint this as a disgusting declaration, it is not.  It is Russian culture and it is the meaning behind my statement to the reporter when I told him..."Meanwhile, a Russian woman -- and this has been passed down from one generation to the next -- has learned to do whatever it takes to get a man and keep him pleased."

[groovlstk]

Russian women 108  Pit,  yea it's not in classes 101, 102  or 103, you learn this after you learn some of the basic's.  Pit, myself and most all men who have been fortunate to have been loved by a good Russian woman KNOW that she will do whatever she can to please her man.  And how, when, why, were these Russian women taught, or told about the importance of pleasing there man?

Jack, if there were an equivalent of RW University, Pitbull would be a Ph.d, not only because she happens to possess one in real life. Do you realize you are trying to "educate" a Russian woman about Russian women? 

[Jack]

Jack, if there were an equivalent of RW University, Pitbull would be a Ph.d,

Great groovlstk, then as close to a Ph.d this should be quite interesting as she should have no problem explaining what I wrote for her to have a "stepped in dirt feeling".  Right?

  Did Jack REALLY say all that?   Am I the only one who has a "just accidentally stepped in dirt" feeling?

Jack, if there were an equivalent of RW University, Pitbull would be a Ph.d, not only because she happens to possess one in real life. Do you realize you are trying to "educate" a Russian woman about Russian women? 

Great groovlstk, then as close to a Ph.d she should have no problem explaining the facts as to how she comes to questioning that my clients buy a Russian wife and of those bought wife's a lot who do what it takes to please there man end up in an abusive marriage.  Coming from an almost Ph.d  groovlstk I would think she would have no problem explaining her facts to back such a statement, right?

according to Jack: She'll be all the above plus "do whatever it takes to get a man and keep him pleased" If that's what Jack's clients are willing to buy-no wonder lots of RW end up in abusive marriage 

[Mir]

As a result of the great Patriotic war, Russia was desolated by the loss of men. No other country suffered the loss of men that Russia did.  After the war there were reports of many small towns that had one man for every 50 ladies, some reports of one man for every 100 ladies and there are even reports of some villages having almost 200 women for each man.  And some of these men only had one arm or one leg but this did not matter as the competition for a man was intense. 

Just think about it for a minute, one man for every 50 or 75 ladies in many areas of Russia. And if you were one of the lucky few women who were able to get a Russian man after the war, "you did what it took to keep your man and to keep him happy".  If you did not, you would lose him.  Mothers passed this trait down to there daughters, grandmothers passed this trait down to there grand-daughters, and so on.

I love Russian history and have on several occasions talked to old ladies today who were young women in the late 40's and early 50's. The stories they tell are un-believable.  She did not want to lose her man.  She feed him well, she washed and kept his clothes clean and she made him new clothes with her own hands. She always looked good for him, she always looked exciting for him, she never had a headache late at night or early in the morning.  Daughters could see how mom treated dad. Mother passed this down to daughter who passed it down to her daughter who passed it down to her daughter.

If that is so then tell me Jack-O why so many of these Russian women fail to hold on to their man? Why so many Russian men dump their women and do a runner? Why so many Russian men who have a wife run after mistresses?
Why so many Russian men become alcoholics?
Is it because some essential part of knowledge has not been transfered or is it because men are just like that, they will run away no mater what the women do for them?

[Jack]

Dear Mir,

This is not a one-way street. If you will not address my question or concerns to you, why should I address your's to me?

I have no intention to turn it into a slanging contest, so you are welcome to your opinion of the world that you (and not me) live in. 

[Mir]

Jack

Oh that is fine.

I did not expect any answer as the questions were an attempt at Socratic ignorance and the answers are self-evident. For afterall as they say:'the proof of the pie is in its eating'

So are these women as claimed by you the ultimate man pleaser's?

I am sure everyone can decide for themselves. 

[mspanky]

Spanky, you've made that same statement a number of times as if it is the be all and end all of relationship advice with FSU women.  But I think your opinion is a more Western view, frankly. 

The other part that I think you fail to realize is that a good woman from FSU is quite the opposite of these GCGs.  A good FSU woman will hang in there through the bad times because she has been raised to be the strong person in the family.  (because many of the men are not)  They are very unlikely to bail if the man puts on weight and doesn't keep himself in fit condition.  In my opinion, this is the least of their concerns. 

I've met Jack's wife and she's very attractive.  She also seems very attracted to Jack and an integral part of his business.  I may be wrong, but I don't see her leaving for greener pastures any time soon.   

 Timothe,

 My opinion and the reason I raise it so much is because when people hear about men who seek foreign  wives everyone always assumes it's all about looks. The men being fat or old wanting young beautiful women.  Which to me seems pretty shallow. Especially when the myth of the guy being fat or old is a reality. Then it just seems even more shallow a man who complains about not finding good and decent women in the U.S. suddenly wants Barbie when he can get her because he has a U.S. passport.  A far cry from actually wanting to find a "good woman". People make fun of this search as though it is catalog shopping and someone(an agency owner stating the height and weight he's looking for justifies people's beliefs.

 If some poor Russian village girl with no education was interviewed and she stated she was searching for a very rich American man whose income fell within $250,000-$1,000,000. He must take pride in the kind of cars he drives,vacations, be very intelligent blah,blah,blah,I would be just as apaled. Because all I would hear is ME,ME,Me. I am entitled to be shallow because I have a great bargaining tool. ME!
 

  Why is it that when people search abroad,they mostly look for something they are not willing to give back? If I am so picky about fat,fitness and weight with my partner. I think I should abide by those rules for myself. But I mostly hear and see AM who complain all day long about how fat AW are and how thin and sexy FW are being FAT themselves. It's sort of embarrasing in a way. As though men who look in foreign countries are somewhat dellusional or just blind to their own shortcomings. And delussion seems to be the norm when it comes to AM seeking FW. Why I have no clue?

 the reason I harp about this everytime I hear it is because it looks dammed silly for most guys to speak about weight issues when it is blatently obvious what hypocrites they are being! So I will call them on it.

As for Russian women having to only choose bad RM who are young  or American guys with good hearts.why can't she be entitled to the whole enchilada?

  We go to other countries in search of a woman who has everything we seek. We do not want beautiful with a lousy disposition,nor do we seek plain but sweet. We want it all dammit.

 But she should not only have to accept a big age difference, but looks and weight difference too because we say so? rarely in all of my travels have I met a FW who preffers large men. I have also heard many of these women complain the Western men that show up to their country are usually the type that let themselves go. So we should practice what we preach as opposed to being in denial.

In fact some South American agencies are losing business as fewer and fewer girls sig up as word gets around to the type of gringos who show up to these places.

Most of the guys I know married to foreign women will tell me their wives are usually the ones who try to make them lose extra weight.  Yes,most of these women want a great guy. But don't be fooled they would'nt be tickled if he was in shape.

   I am from a diffrent school then many guys here. I hate the stereotypical view of guys who go for brides abroad. I think foreign women deserve the best guys overall. So I try to grow my business,invest well, take care of myself because appearance and HEALTH is important, and smile. I also try not to look at a woman as an object and one who should accept me and my shortcomings because I happen to be a U.S. citizen. I try to deal with my shortcomings and be the best I can be for my future wife.

[Misha]

Most of the guys I know married to foreign women will tell me their wives are usually the ones who try to make them lose extra weight.  Yes,most of these women want a great guy. But don't be fooled they would'nt be tickled if he was in shape.

I fall into this category. Over the weekend, my wife received a compliment. She was told that she looked so much younger, like an 18-year-old (i.e. ten years younger than her age of 28). This upset her because she then worried that people would think that I look 20 years older (I am 38). She then started on how I have to lose weight as this will make me look younger and so on and so forth. My wife may think I am a great husband, but knows I would be greater if I lost 20 pounds I can only imagine what she would be saying if I was really 20 years older.

[Jazzyclassy]

 Timothe,

 My opinion and the reason I raise it so much is because when people hear about men who see foreign  wives everyone always assumes it's all about looks. The men being fat or old wanting young beautiful women.  Which to me seems pretty shallow. Especially when the myth of the guy being fat or old is a reality. Then it just seems even more shallow a man who complains about not finding good and decent women in the U.S. suddenly wants Barbie when he can get her.  A far cry from actually wanting to find a "good woman". People make fun of this search as though it is catalog shopping and someone(an agency owner stating the height and weight he's looking for justifies people's beliefs.

 If some poor Russian village girl with no education was interviwed and she stated she was searching for a very rich American man whose income fell within $250,000-$1,000,000. He must take pride in the kind of cars he drives,vacations, be very intelligent blah,blah,blah,I would be just as apaled. Because all I would hear is ME,ME,Me. I am entitled to be shallow because I have a great bargaining too. ME!

  Why is it that when people search abroad,they mostly look for something they are not willing to give back? If I am so picky about fat,fitness and weight with my partner. I think I should abide by those rules myself. But I mostly hear and SEE AM who complain all day long about how fat AW are and how thin and sexy FW are being FAT themselves. It's sort of embarrasing in a way. As though men who look in foreign countries are somewhat dellusional or just blind to their own shortcomings. And delussion seems to be the norm when it comes to AM seeking FW. Why I have no clue.

 the reason I harp about this everytime I hear it is because it looks dammed silly for most guys to speak about weight issues when it is blatently obvious what hypocrites they are being!

As for Russian women having to only choose bad RM who are young  or American guys with good hearts.why can't she be entitled to the whole enchilada?

  We go to other countries in search of a woman who has everything we seek. We do not want beautiful with a lousy disposition,nor do we seek plain but sweet. We want it all dammit.

 But she should not only have to accept a big age difference, but looks and weight difference too because we say so? rarely in all of my travels have I met a FW who preffers large men. I have also heard many of these women complain the Western men that show up to their country are usually the type that let themselves go. So we should practice what we preach as opposed to being in denial.

In fact some South American agencies are losing business as fewer and fewer girls sig up as word gets around to the type of gringos who show up to these places.

Most of the guys I know married to foreign women will tell me their wives are usually the ones who try to make them lose extra weight.  Yes,most of these women want a great guy. But don't be fooled they would'nt be tickled if he was in shape.

   I am from a diffrent school then many guys here. I hate the stereotypical view of guys who go for brides abroad. I think foreign women deserve the best guys overall. So I try to grow my business,invest well, take care of myself because appearance and HEALTH is important, and smile. I also try not to look at a woman as an object and one who should accept me and my shortcomings because I happen to be a U.S. citizen. I try to deal with my shortcomings and be the best I can be for my future wife.

I think it is such a great post by mspanky ,I have no words to add anything to this one
 

[mspanky]

 Thanks Jazzy.