Child in England.

[HiTech]

One of the wives tails is alive and well. My lady believes she has more rights to the children if they would be born in England instead of the USA.

She wants to have our children born in England, I.E. just move to England for 1 month, that should be no problem to have a child there and then move back right ?

So anyone know any of the real facts about child custody when the child is born in a different country than the USA?

HiTech

[AnastassiaAsh]

I haven't heard about that tail!

Why didn't she look for an English man then? 

As far as i know rights of a mother in the US are pretty strong.

[SANDRO43]

One of the wives tails is alive and well.

Tails or tales ?

[wxman]

I guess if the child was born in the UK it would be a citizen. I don't know if that is true, but it is here in the US. Is she concerned that if you were to pass away, that she would lose rights to the child, or that your family would try to get custody?

[Jumper]

hitech-

your fiancee wants to have children in another country in hopes to stengthen her custodial rights?

 wouldn't asking  her why that is important enough ,to even bring up,
 much less actually CONSIDER,  having children elsewhere,,
be more important ,than finding out if the *old wives tale* was accurate, or not?

sorry, if my *fiancee* hit me up with that,finding out if the silly info was accurate would be the last thing on my mind.

she doesnt seem worried about the finances ,or the logistics of it..
but is worried about strenghtening her position ,in case the marriage doesnt work out.

while in itself ,wanting to boltser her position is understandable,,
thats carrying it pretty dang far , and more than bit *out there* to most people?

 in another thread ,your fiancee poses for a photo with agency *rental* flowers from some guy.. an ex or whatever,,  
all so that the agency and her can split the $$ ...
and while i understand your seemingly cavaliar attitude
*eta ukraina*  
as thats what many Ukrainian or Russians might say....

Those would be deeply troubling things to me, and not minor cultural differences..

just sayin'





  

[Misha]

I really agree with AJ. Think about it. A child isn't exactly born at the due date. A couple weeks early, a couple weeks late is completely. And, would she really want to be flying when she is 9-months pregnant? So you would have to pay to fly to England a couple months in advance, pay for hotels for a few months (you can't exactly put mom and baby on the plane the day after she gave birth), pay for all the medical expenses of having a child in another country and then pay for all the paperwork to get the child registered as an American citizen, all so she can strengthen her custodial rights? Whatever that may mean. I agree with AJ. If I were told that by my fiancee, I would being having some pretty serious doubts about her real intentions.

[wxman]

Some airlines won't even allow a woman to fly after her 7th month. Too many lawsuit potentials. I thought the whole idea of her taking cash instead of flowers was strange. Now wanting to have her child in another country is even more strange. Perhaps what you wrote did not come out the way you wanted, but just from initial appearance, it sounds like she is making plans for a future without you.

[Misha]

Exactly. So you would have to spend potentially 3-4 months is England just waiting to have the baby. Also, until she gets her American passport, she would still need a visa to go to England as far as I know. Try explaining to the British Consular officials that she wants to go to England to have a baby. 

[Mir]

It sounds a rather illogical idea but maybe not enough info has been provided. How does she know what her rights will be if the child is born in UK and what rights is she talking about?
If you come to UK as a tourist and have a child here then the child will not be given British citizenship, only children born to foreigners who are resident(working in UK for a certain time etc) in UK are eligible to get British passports.
Still I can't think of any reason who having a British passport will make any difference c/w a US passport.

[Serebro]

My lady believes she has more rights to the children if they would be born in England instead of the USA.

She wants to have our children born in England, I.E. just move to England for 1 month, that should be no problem to have a child there and then move back right ?

So anyone know any of the real facts about child custody when the child is born in a different country than the USA?

HiTech

your lady is from the FSU, you are from the USA and she wants the child to be born in England.... to have more rights...

errr...
is she the same girl who sold engagement flowers to get some cash?!
If yes, you have a VERY practical lady.

 

[Mir]

If yes, you have a VERY practical lady.

I think all ladies with tails are

[pk-uk]

So anyone know any of the real facts about child custody when the child is born in a different country than the USA?

I guess it depends on the country and their citizenship rules.  Mir was right in what he quoted about the UK.  My step-daughter was born in Germany, but wasn't eligible for German citizenship - which was a bind as she had to wait 5 years for UK citizenship and couldn't get an EU passport when she needed it for a job.

PK

[2tallbill]

Tails or tales ?

If the tale follows the woman around then it's a tail (like from Russia to US then to England then back to the US). So some wives tales can be tails.


Bill

[docetae]

One of the wives tails is alive and well. My lady believes she has more rights to the children if they would be born in England instead of the USA.

She wants to have our children born in England, I.E. just move to England for 1 month, that should be no problem to have a child there and then move back right ?

So anyone know any of the real facts about child custody when the child is born in a different country than the USA?

HiTech

Just my 2 cennes... HiTech, I can understand you are in love with this lady, but after the 10$ story, now england for rights in case of divorce ?
It seems you are becoming blind with so many red flags in your face...

[wxman]

Is this is an arranged marriage, where he's getting several thousands $$$$$? I 'm starting to have my suspicions.

[BillyB]

One of the wives tails is alive and well. My lady believes she has more rights to the children if they would be born in England instead of the USA.

She wants to have our children born in England, I.E. just move to England for 1 month, that should be no problem to have a child there and then move back right ?

So anyone know any of the real facts about child custody when the child is born in a different country than the USA?

HiTech,

Because you are an American citizen, your child has rights to be an American citizen no matter where the child was born in this World.

If born in England, the child may have rights to dual citizenship and may have to wait 5 years like some others mentioned.

Ultimately, if you two end up divorcing in America, the court in your State will most likely order that no parent can move outside of the State without the other parent's permission. So you are protected from the ex if she ever decides to take the child to England and most likely England will respect the laws here and force her to send the child back.

But like the others here, I don't think it's good that your woman has been doing a lot of talking with other ladies to do what's best for herself which is selfish. Certainly what your lady said raises red flags and is a strange request to have a child born in another country instead of the one she's supposed to adopt with her future husband. Also I suspect if the child is legally able to live in England being born there, she may think she would be able to do so also. Does she have any connections in England? Friends, family?

[Leslie]

I have not posted in a long while but feel I must to end this spurious discussion.

British Law is not the same as US Law.  In British Law it does not matter where a child is born.  If either of the biological parents is a British Citizen a British birh certificate can be obtained for the child.  In UK you would go to the Registry Office. Abroad to the British Consulate.  Once the child has a Birth Certificate a passport can be applied for immediately.

If a child is born in UK and neither parent is a British Citizen it has no right to a British birth certificate...

So this idea is a non starter.  The fact that it is actually being discussed in this way would set all sorts of alarms ringing in my head.

Discuss and resolve the uinderlying issues first.  Kids are NOT an experiment !

[Serebro]

Is this is an arranged marriage, where he's getting several thousands $$$$$? I 'm starting to have my suspicions.

Who is getting thousands $$$$?!
HiTech is a very rich and famous person, you can read a lot of interviews with him online...
He knows how to impress girls.

[Mir]

If a child is born in UK and neither parent is a British Citizen it has no right to a British birth certificate..

Not true but the truth is irrelevant to the current discussion.

[Leslie]

Well Mir I will reply. Yes you are correct you can register the childs birth in Britain.  However the child will not have an automatic right to British citizenship.  See this web page.  The explanation I gave above is materially correct -

http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/apply-child-docs-first.asp#borninuk

[Mir]

It is not necessary for the parents to be British citizens for their children to be eligible for British citizenship.

A child will be a British citizen when he or she is born if one of his or her parents (see Note 4) is:

a British citizen (it does not matter how the parent concerned became a British citizen), or
settled here (see Note 5)
5. Settled
A person is settled in the United Kingdom if ordinarily resident here without any restriction, under the immigration laws, on their maximum length of stay. 
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/applying/nationality/advice/bn1?view=Standard

So as you can see that a person can have a passport of say China but settled status in UK, his child/children if born in UK will have a right to British citizenship.
I know many doctors who have settled status but have kept their foreign passports due to property ownership etc issues in their country of origion.

As I said before the difference is academic when considering the case of Hi Tech and his future wife, in any case we don't know why she wants the child to be born in UK?

[Serebro]

As I said before the difference is academic when considering the case of Hi Tech and his future wife, in any case we don't know why she wants the child to be born in UK?

she may be crazy about Britain...
she may have a lover in Britain and she wanted to show the baby to him immediately ...
she might have a dream about her child be born in Britain...
she may try to persuade HiTech that she isn't interested in his country at all.and that she isn't a GCG.

I am afraid to ask about her plans concerning the place where their grandchildren should be  be born...


providing they aren't engaged yet... she has big plans...

[HiTech]

Before people go raising a red flag, this was brought up by her a few days after I raised the issue that I will be wanting a prenup. My view is simple on prenups, you have one no matter if you write it or you uses the one that is written by the state you live in.

Might as well write one that takes your special circumstances into account. Because like anything contracts are not for when things go good, they are for when the deifications strikes the rotary oscillator.

Yes it was because she wanted to be able to move back to the Ukraine in the event of a divorce. And yes she now understands how things work, and that in the USA fathers also have rights with children.

HiTech

[ScottinCrimea]

I guess it makes sense that if you are looking to protect your financial rights in the case that things go sour, she is looking to protect her parental rights.  I think people forget that things can work both ways.  My only hope is that you are sure that things are on solid ground as a couple before you introduce a child into the picture.

[Jumper]

Yes it was because she wanted to be able to move back to the Ukraine in the event of a divorce. And yes she now understands how things work, and that in the USA fathers also have rights with children.

Ok, So she would rather have a child in England ,
if it would diminsh your parental rights,
and increase her abilty to move back to Ukraine dopwn the road quite a bit, should things go sour.

got it.

because you brought up a prenup.

red flag..or not.. sorry it just sounds like you guys are playing chess.

Scott ,
I do not view financial and parental rights as on the same ground to be
bartered the same?
hey they can work out a prenup financially?
they can even work out where the custodial rights, should they divocre , before marriage and before children?
but you cant take away that it becomes more and more like a straight up  business transaction with each thing in that direction.

and you can hardly put those two items in the same catergory?

A fiancee  might want a strongly motivated family man who WANTS his children.and would want to keep them near even in divorce.
but also want her husband to be reasonable and do whats best for everyone inmvolved, in the situation when/if  it ever came up.
thats understanbable.

 a fiancee looking specifically for a way to decrease the man she loves
 custodial rights?..befoe marriage?
I would find it an odd begining.
yes i understand the thought to prepare for a bad possibilty.
but if she did not trust me,or us as a family..
 to work out the best custodial situation for our child together with her,even in divorce ? thats not much trust.
and thats a fundamental level of trust i'd need to get to , long before marriage.