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[Gator]

Freedom,

You are attempting to be a nice guy, and it is always better to be a gentleman.  However, you are ignoring key issues.  Further, your approach shows that you have NO BALLS.  RW (in fact, all women) respect men with confidence.     

You remind me of those Europeans who purchase insurance for the number of sunny days prior to taking their summer holiday.

Knock yourself out and become a keyboard Romeo for several months while fantasizing (and whatever else you do at night) about this RW's photo.  BTW,  sometimes the scammers use photos of American models, so to be safe you should compare her photo with all known models in the world. 

Get a life!

[groovlstk]

Are you kidin me? Its only a newspaper, not a dildo or something....man I really dont understand the way you think. I would give her a act-photo WITH a newspaper from me wtf is the prob? You know this punks who use pics from inocent girls are out there....or? So with this simply newspaper-thing you can kick theyr @sses....you dont like that? Tell me why.....

Sorry, but I have better things to do than to sit here and spoon-feed a social misfit on the value of trust in a relationship. If you don't understand it now, you probably never will. YOU may be willing to photograph yourself with a newspaper to prove to her you're real, but understand that to MOST folks out there it simply shows how little self-respect you have and how desperate you are. Any woman with even a modicum of self-worth would never stoop to your level. If you can't determine if your virtual hearthrob is for real or not without openly treating her like a common criminal, you'll end up with precisely what you deserve.

[Freedom]

Freedom,

You are attempting to be a nice guy, and it is always better to be a gentleman.  However, you are ignoring key issues.  Further, your approach shows that you have NO BALLS.  RW (in fact, all women) respect men with confidence.     

You remind me of those Europeans who purchase insurance for the number of sunny days prior to taking their summer holiday.

Knock yourself out and become a keyboard Romeo for several months while fantasizing (and whatever else you do at night) about this RW's photo.  BTW,  sometimes the scammers use photos of American models, so to be safe you should compare her photo with all known models in the world. 

Get a life!

Get a Life...you have no balls....and so on. Man I come out of another house, another family. I know this kind of talk. Sorry, its much to cheap for me. Maybe you should think about what you do at night you Romeo for poor men . And to the ball and life thing....well, if you would know something about my balls and my life you would be very quiet. With kindest Regards....

[Freedom]

Sorry, but I have better things to do than to sit here and spoon-feed a social misfit on the value of trust in a relationship. If you don't understand it now, you probably never will. YOU may be willing to photograph yourself with a newspaper to prove to her you're real, but understand that to MOST folks out there it simply shows how little self-respect you have and how desperate you are. Any woman with even a modicum of self-worth would never stoop to your level. If you can't determine if your virtual hearthrob is for real or not without openly treating her like a common criminal, you'll end up with precisely what you deserve.

Thats the point. I get that(newspaper) photo privat for me direct from her. NOTHING openly. Many on here ask me for a photo, or her Email but I wouldnt give it. Thats a privat thing between her and me. Well, I can here ask things, read, learn and like I said many times before...Thank you, I read and I learned many things. No reason to flame me.

[acrzybear]

It's amazing how much Freedom's English has improved since his first post, he's picked up the slang and speech pattern of a native linguist.  Interesting how someone with so little trust gets PO'd when others explain that as a man you are expected to take the first step in a potentional relationship. 

   

[ScottinCrimea]

It seems he believes whatever this woman tells him and trusts what she says even when it is the direct opposite of what other RW and those here with years of experience living with and around RW.  EVERYONE tells him that no decent RW would go along with the newspaper thing, only a scammer, but since this woman is happy to do this, then we must all be wrong because she says differently. Now he's a tough guy with a secret service friend.  He seems convinced that no one has a clue but him.  I'm starting to suspect troll as well. I find it hard to believe that anyone so naive and into fantasy could function in real life.  Notice how terrified he is to post excerpts of her letters?

I'm going to back off, sit back and watch the fun.  I want him to continue posting as this could be more fun than 2Tall's humor thread.

[Shadow]

I have here at the moment on business a lot to act. 5 days is a long time I can go only in the next spring. Then at most 5 days.
Notice, no one fakes me with Photoshoped pics. My close friend is a PC freak he works for the German Secret Service

You can take the 18:50 flight from Frankfurt on Thursday, take the 21:15 back from Moscow on Monday. That would give you nearly 4 full days to spend time together while taking 2 days of work. Be careful your close friend is not a FSB double agent. 
Flight will cost you Eur 250 ($319), If you want hotel arrangements I can provide you with prices.

[Freedom]

You can take the 18:50 flight from Frankfurt on Thursday, take the 21:15 back from Moscow on Monday. That would give you nearly 4 full days to spend time together while taking 2 days of work. Be careful your close friend is not a FSB double agent. 
Flight will cost you Eur 250 ($319), If you want hotel arrangements I can provide you with prices.

You know what....I havent thought about that until now...that would explain a lot and maybe she is from KGB .....that whole thing is a damned trap! LOL
I saw near Zvenigovo in Cerepovec is an Airport .....

[Shadow]

I saw near Zvenigovo in Cerepovec is an Airport .....

If you will take such a short inland flight in the winter nobody here will doubt about your balls. 

[Freedom]

It seems he believes whatever this woman tells him and trusts what she says even when it is the direct opposite of what other RW and those here with years of experience living with and around RW.  EVERYONE tells him that no decent RW would go along with the newspaper thing, only a scammer, but since this woman is happy to do this, then we must all be wrong because she says differently. Now he's a tough guy with a secret service friend.  He seems convinced that no one has a clue but him.  I'm starting to suspect troll as well. I find it hard to believe that anyone so naive and into fantasy could function in real life.  Notice how terrified he is to post excerpts of her letters?

I'm going to back off, sit back and watch the fun.  I want him to continue posting as this could be more fun than 2Tall's humor thread.

Were did I say no one has a clue but me? Please show me the post. You talk only to talk. Iam happy if you laugh. Look at this nice thread, over 100 Replies in 2days. 
Yes Iam into fantasy...and maybe a little naiv. People are different, no big Deal. Iam Donald Duck and you John Wayne.....you win.
 

[Jumper]

Freedom-

hey its a forum,,take the advice you like from it,,disregard the rest..

i would counsel you though to listen carefully,
 not so much to us married guys,..who have sopent some time in the FSU..


but to the RW responding.

serebro - agreed with groov 100%  ,
 that no decent RW would comply to your newspaper request.

i know it seems no big deal to you,its just a newspaper -

but most RW would find it odd enough to not comply.

my wife hasn't responded here, but i can assure you would never have taken the trouble to send some random guy from the internet a photo with a daily paper...

offended by the request? probably not..
she just would have thought it odd or strange,and wouldn't have bothered with a guy that wasnt interested enough to call her ,or have her call him.
and have a normal conversation toi see if they liked each other enough to meet.

as mentioned, I have spoken with several RW that did not have a phone!
so the situation "can" exist.
but they were always willing to either call me, or have me call thier neighbor at a
pre-designated time ..

while i strongly urge you to call ,,or have her call you !!

the funnierst part is that a call will not mean anything really?
 other than there is a woman on the other end of the line..
it won't mean she is sincere or not out to scam you.
but you will be able to learn something more than you know now..so well worth it.

Also ANY  Russian man,that is doing these little scams for his living,
has plenty of local girlfriends to call you,
 or to take a photo with a newspaper with..

you asking for such proofs is fun for him !!!
its his game ,he plays at daily!

When you ask for such rather silly proofs, once they are provided you are far more likely to buy into my story eventually..
and i have 180 other western guys i am writing to ..so if you dont work out,,thats ok too

Listen i'm not trying to make you any more paranoid.
i'm just pointing out these silly games , are more appropriate at a  highschool age ,
and most 30 year old decent RW looking for a husband will move on to a more serious or confident man.


your situation is odd,

1. she wrote you first.
2. she doesn't have a phone.

it has been gone over plenty of times that the likelyhood of her being genuine is slim.

does this mean its a scam?
NO 
(but it probably is,,and the more proofs she provides you, the more likely it becomes)

It *could* simply be her situation,and understandible.

if you want to pursue this with her.
then you have to treat her as legitimate,and real.

That shouldn't be hard to understand? if she did not trust you were actually a german man, you wouldnt keep corresponding with her right?
and if you were not, and trying to make some money off her,,
you could easily get a friend to pose with a local paper right?


anyway simply let time , some phone calls, and more correspondence ,
and actual information like her address..
decide if a trip to see her is even realistic..

me? I would not be overly paranoid, as time always shows the truth eventually, and i was never in any hurry.

but to be quite honest before i flew to see any *one* person ,
i would make sure they are real..
There are lots of easy ways to do this!
 without asking for silly newspaper proofs that will not prove anything.
You are too hung up on that as being substantial! Find a better way!

you have stated you won't send money..so you won't be burned..
no problem..!
have fun with it..and if its not a real RW, nothing lost?

[ScottinCrimea]

No money lost?  Freedom, how much have you spent so far for correspondence (translation services and such)?

[KenC]

Freedom,
In your opening post you said:

At this time I feel like a 14 year old Boy who found his first love.

In many ways, you are acting like that 14 year old boy.  Snap out of it!
KenC

[Freedom]

No money lost?  Freedom, how much have you spent so far for correspondence (translation services and such)?

Nothing....until now.

[Freedom]

Freedom,
In your opening post you said:In many ways, you are acting like that 14 year old boy.  Snap out of it!
KenC

Yes you right. Thats me cant help it , my first thought about people is always a good one. Many times I payed the price....but at least Iam glad that my character doesnt change. But you are right maybe its time to slip into the shoes of a man . The point is Iam kind but it is a big mistake to think Iam stupid and weak.

[Freedom]

If you will take such a short inland flight in the winter nobody here will doubt about your balls. 

I can fly with a Ju 52 to Zvenigovo, then I jump off  from 1,200 metres. Have you already heard somewhat of the Green Barrets?
 

[Freedom]

Freedom-

hey its a forum,,take the advice you like from it,,disregard the rest..

i would counsel you though to listen carefully,
 not so much to us married guys,..who have sopent some time in the FSU..


but to the RW responding.

serebro - agreed with groov 100%  ,
 that no decent RW would comply to your newspaper request.

i know it seems no big deal to you,its just a newspaper -

but most RW would find it odd enough to not comply.

my wife hasn't responded here, but i can assure you would never have taken the trouble to send some random guy from the internet a photo with a daily paper...

offended by the request? probably not..
she just would have thought it odd or strange,and wouldn't have bothered with a guy that wasnt interested enough to call her ,or have her call him.
and have a normal conversation toi see if they liked each other enough to meet.

as mentioned, I have spoken with several RW that did not have a phone!
so the situation "can" exist.
but they were always willing to either call me, or have me call thier neighbor at a
pre-designated time ..

while i strongly urge you to call ,,or have her call you !!

the funnierst part is that a call will not mean anything really?
 other than there is a woman on the other end of the line..
it won't mean she is sincere or not out to scam you.
but you will be able to learn something more than you know now..so well worth it.

Also ANY  Russian man,that is doing these little scams for his living,
has plenty of local girlfriends to call you,
 or to take a photo with a newspaper with..

you asking for such proofs is fun for him !!!
its his game ,he plays at daily!

When you ask for such rather silly proofs, once they are provided you are far more likely to buy into my story eventually..
and i have 180 other western guys i am writing to ..so if you dont work out,,thats ok too

Listen i'm not trying to make you any more paranoid.
i'm just pointing out these silly games , are more appropriate at a  highschool age ,
and most 30 year old decent RW looking for a husband will move on to a more serious or confident man.


your situation is odd,

1. she wrote you first.
2. she doesn't have a phone.

it has been gone over plenty of times that the likelyhood of her being genuine is slim.

does this mean its a scam?
NO 
(but it probably is,,and the more proofs she provides you, the more likely it becomes)

It *could* simply be her situation,and understandible.

if you want to pursue this with her.
then you have to treat her as legitimate,and real.

That shouldn't be hard to understand? if she did not trust you were actually a german man, you wouldnt keep corresponding with her right?
and if you were not, and trying to make some money off her,,
you could easily get a friend to pose with a local paper right?


anyway simply let time , some phone calls, and more correspondence ,
and actual information like her address..
decide if a trip to see her is even realistic..

me? I would not be overly paranoid, as time always shows the truth eventually, and i was never in any hurry.

but to be quite honest before i flew to see any *one* person ,
i would make sure they are real..
There are lots of easy ways to do this!
 without asking for silly newspaper proofs that will not prove anything.
You are too hung up on that as being substantial! Find a better way!

you have stated you won't send money..so you won't be burned..
no problem..!
have fun with it..and if its not a real RW, nothing lost?

Thats what I call a very helpfull post .Thanks. Ok I forget about the newspaper thing. I ask her and in her next Email she told me she reads a book with the title ,,Idiot,,. Sounds like a hiden message to me.... ....well you are right, what should happen....sometimes you have to trust.

[Shadow]

I can fly with a Ju 52 to Zvenigovo, then I jump off  from 1,200 metres. Have you already heard somewhat of the Green Barrets?
 

That is what you would have wished you did. 

[Freedom]

That is what you would have wished you did. 

The truth is I have flight fear. I have already worked out how long I would need by the car.
 

[Freedom]

Get a Life...you have no balls....and so on. Man I come out of another house, another family. I know this kind of talk. Sorry, its much to cheap for me. Maybe you should think about what you do at night you Romeo for poor men . And to the ball and life thing....well, if you would know something about my balls and my life you would be very quiet. With kindest Regards....

OK I apologise for the poor- man -Romeo. This was disrespectful.

[Serebro]

I ask her and in her next Email she told me she reads a book with the title ,,Idiot,,. Sounds like a hiden message to me.... ....well you are right, what should happen....sometimes you have to trust.

Idiot is a famous book by Dostoyevsky.
I don't like Dostoyevsky, though, he is too depressing...

[Freedom]

Idiot is a famous book by Dostoyevsky.
I don't like Dostoyevsky, though, he is too depressing...

Exactly..she said you cant tell about that book, you have to read by yourself to understand it. Well, Iam depressiv enough I think that book would kill me   

[Mir]

Prince Myshkin is the hero of 'The Idiot'.
Dostoevsky calls him the idiot in a positive light. He is a man full of kindness and compassion so others take advantage of him. In a materialistic and depraved world he is used and abused just because he is a good man.Eventually his goodness leads to his doom.
He is an idiot not because he is stupid but because he is a missfit in a dog eat dog society.

Freedom
Do you find parallels with him in your own character?

I agree it is a depressing book like all of Dostoevsky's work, better to read Gogol or Bulgakov.

[Freedom]

Prince Myshkin is the hero of 'The Idiot'.
Dostoevsky calls him the idiot in a positive light. He is a man full of kindness and compassion so others take advantage of him. In a materialistic and depraved world he is used and abused just because he is a good man.Eventually his goodness leads to his doom.
He is an idiot not because he is stupid but because he is a missfit in a dog eat dog society.

Freedom
Do you find parallels with him in your own character?

I agree it is a depressing book like all of Dostoevsky's work, better to read Gogol or Bulgakov.

want you to make fun of me? Parallels??If what you say is true then Iam Prince Myshkin. No doubt. How the book ends, he survives?

[Mir]

Yes he survives but goes mad
So don't decide on flying a Ju52 into Ukraine and you should be OK