A good example of a client I WON't take

[Eduard]

Does this *really* happen? It seems if the two have any observational ability the intelligence level could be determined fairly accurately rather quickly.  I can't imagine two people going through the process, all the way to marriage, and then living together for some time to suddenly have the epiphany "gee, you're an idiot.. I want a divorce".. 

yes it does happen quite often I might add!
many times when people meet through agencies and their level of communication was as good as an online translator they used they realy do not get to know and understand each other untill they live together, married for a year or more. As I explained, they might have a great chemistry and physical attraction when they first meet, but because of the language barrier they have very limited ways to communicate. I've met quite a few RWs here in the US who divorced their husbands exactly under these circumstances.

[Shadow]

I am sure the 61 year old would have been perfectly happy with a model like girl with questionable background and attitude 

[Lily]

here are some videos of girls who made a golddiggers' song in English, and of a few others who try to go international with assistance of the guy whose name I mentioned earlier:

www.listerman.ru

When on this site, click on the pictures among the others there that I show below for your visual orientation on that Russian site, then watch and listen. If you click right on the photos, there are no clips under them. The clip with microphone shows a rap-like song in English, the one with Begbeder is in French-English-Russian:

[SANDRO43]

... unless Sandro decides to dedicate the rest of his life rehabilitating this person.

LOTS of spelling that need serious rehab here .

I'll cite the two most common examples, which cannot be caught by the Spell Checker either, since both alternatives are perfectly acceptable per se:

- AdviCe (noun), as in:            "My advice is: mind your spelling,"
- AdviSe (verb), as in:             "I advise you with deep feeling,"
- It's (contr. verb), as in:         "it's really a heartfelt warning:"
- Its (poss. adjective), as in:    "English, in its agony, is in mourning."

[Daveman]

LOTS of spelling that need serious rehab here .

I'll cite the two most common examples, which cannot be caught by the Spell Checker either, since both alternatives are perfectly acceptable per se:

- AdviCe (noun), as in:            "My advice is: mind your spelling,"
- AdviSe (verb), as in:             "I advise you with deep feeling,"
- It's (contr. verb), as in:         "it's really a heartfelt warning:"
- Its (poss. adjective), as in:    "English, in its agony, is in mourning."

LoL! Sandro.. now your just being picky!   :crackthewhip: 

[Eduard]

Sandro, my respect! You know your shit!!!

[I/O]

Just because she is not a model looking one you are calling her second class??? how dare you?

Eduard: Do you play for the dodgers? Again you dodge the question, change the words, use smoke and mirrors to avoid direct answers. It was model Like up till now and you imply that I object to non model looking women. You as yet haven't answered the question. This is the third direct question I have put to you which you have failed to answer. It simply gives me the impression you don't have the answers.

And what exactly would that "Attitude, Questionable background and bad habits" of a model like girl be? What precisely is wrong with a woman who is "Model Like".

The questions remain.

I/O

[Mir]

What is a model like look?

The usual attributes of a model:

Young 18-25
Tall 5'9" and up with long legs
Slim to emaciated
Clear flawless complexion, big eyes, lustrous hair and perfect teeth
Able to walk that funny walk

Certainly there will be a difference between those who look like models and those who are successful models.
Personally I don't think successful models will make good wives, these women crave for attention. Not just attention from the husband but from a large audience. It is unlikely they would be happy keeping the house and looking after children.
But that is just my openion and maybe they make the best wives (for the right person)

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, my respect! You know your *snip*!!!

So should anybody towards one's own language (both respect and knowing one's *snip* ) IMO, rather ludicrous that an Italian should be giving English spelling lessons .

Quoting Dante Alighieri (1265–1321), the father of Italian language:

"Considerate la vostra semenza:
fatti non foste a viver come bruti,
ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza."

("Consider your seed (origin):
you were not born to live like brutes,
but to follow virtue and knowledge.")

La divina commedia (The Divine Comedy), Inferno, Canto XXVI, lines 118-120 .

[Lily]

What is a model like look?

The usual attributes of a model:

Young 18-25
Tall 5'9" and up with long legs
Slim to emaciated
Clear flawless complexion, big eyes, lustrous hair and perfect teeth
Able to walk that funny walk

Certainly there will be a difference between those who look like models and those who are successful models.
Personally I don't think successful models will make good wives, these women crave for attention. Not just attention from the husband but from a large audience. It is unlikely they would be happy keeping the house and looking after children.
But that is just my openion and maybe they make the best wives (for the right person)

i would say that a 'model like' appearance could be attributed to any beautiful woman who makes male heads turn.

The Mir's list would be mostly applicable to one type of models only, namely those working on a catwalk busy presenting clothes and accessories. For this type of business, height and emaciation would be needed.

If we assume that models are supposed to feast the eyes of lookers, we eventualy go away from mannequin that is a walking dress hanger. 

Models assume feminine beauty, that's why the agency like EM made the word 'model' a part of its name.

If someone has watched a long French-English video with Begbeder on my link above, there are some model like Ukrainian girls being interviewed and filmed. The guy however does not look for a wife, but some girls probably think that they actually being casted for one 

[Serebro]

Ed,  The best thing you can do is send him a link to this forum and read.

He will not be able to read this forum.

[Mir]

i would say that a 'model like' appearance could be attributed to any beautiful woman who makes male heads turn.

The Mir's list would be mostly applicable to one type of models only, namely those working on a catwalk busy presenting clothes and accessories. For this type of business, height and emaciation would be needed.

If we assume that models are supposed to feast the eyes of lookers, we eventualy go away from mannequin that is a walking dress hanger. 

Models assume feminine beauty, that's why the agency like EM made the word 'model' a part of its name.

In a general sense you are right but consider this:

A model is a person who poses or displays for purposes of art, fashion, or other products and advertising.

it is the definition of a model from Wikiepedia.
So it is a woman (or man) who is used for advertisement of something.
Frankly I don't see the point why use the description 'model like' for a beautiful woman? Why not call her just a beautiful woman? When it is emphasized that she looks like a model then IMHO the image one gets is that she looks like the ones who walk the catwalk.

[Lily]

In a general sense you are right but consider this:
 it is the definition of a model from Wikiepedia.
So it is a woman (or man) who is used for advertisement of something.
Frankly I don't see the point why use the description 'model like' for a beautiful woman? Why not call her just a beautiful woman? When it is emphasized that she looks like a model then IMHO the image one gets is that she looks like the ones who walk the catwalk.

Probably because the word 'model' sells.

The idea to have a model as eventual wife may probably add some prestige in the eyes of some men. It is cool to habe a model as wife, because models used to -or at least thought to have- lots of choice among men. Well, in a man' s mind, it may for sure reveal a catwalking leggy creature..but many of them walk really beautifully, right?. It may boost the male ago to have a model.

If they just tell like we suggest 'a beautiful woman', this notion may appear to be rather complicated to perceive. A romantic beauty?..may be not easy for me...A classic beauty? May be boring for me ....A sexy beauty? May have many lovers besides me..And so on. The word 'model' is short, concise and catchy.

[Makkin]

  Most all women are models to me.

Makkin

[Turboguy]

My life was much simpler in the days when had someone asked me if I wanted a model I would have said yes and picutured some plastic mustang about 7" long that I had to put together in pieces.

[Gator]

The term “model” is overused to describe any tall and slender woman with a pretty face.

There must be 20x more women claiming to be a model than those who make a living as a model.  Having a portfolio does not make a woman a model.  Neither does working the odd job around a full-time job.   And please, nude photos are not modeling (perhaps the RW who have done this are the “models” that Eduard disdains). 

Being tall and slender with a pretty face does not make one a model.  Models have some uncommon characteristics.  They are glamorous with perfect skin and teeth and photogenic.  They possess many mental strengths:  patience (have you ever been through 10 consecutive fittings), stamina, self-discipline, optimism, flexibility, etc.  There is something else, something more important.  PANACHE.   More than acting, and it is rare. 

My ex-fiancee from Russia worked as a fashion model in Germany and Austria for 14 years.  You can not walk down a runway for that many years without having panache.

Her panache was so evident when window shopping in Capri, Italy.  Big money.  She walked around as if she owned the entire street.

We went inside Valentino.  Normally the sales staff would sneer at me being dressed in my Florida casual, and she not much better. But she has this panache.  The staff fell over themselves trying to please her.  She looked at a couple of items, and studied a $2500 sweater. 

She hid her basic English by never speaking, acting as if the staff were invisible.  After a few minutes, she turned up her nose and walked out.  Looking back I saw the staff leaning forward with the look on their faces of, “My God, who was that woman?”

She was great fun, and is a true thoroughbred.  What a ride!  She and I could not make our relationship work, and we parted ways after knowing each other for well over a year.  No regrets, particularly since there is someone better in my life now.  No, not a model, one was enough.

[Eduard]

  What a ride!  She and I could not make our relationship work, and we parted ways after knowing each other for well over a year.  No regrets, particularly since there is someone better in my life now.  No, not a model, one was enough.

precisely my point 

[WmGO]

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[Gator]

What a ride!  She and I could not make our relationship work, and we parted ways after knowing each other for well over a year.  No regrets, particularly since there is someone better in my life now.  No, not a model, one was enough.

precisely my point

There is nothing wrong with this model.  She is dedicated very much to her family, and she is basically honest and loyal.   She is certainly not self-absorbed as some would envision, and in fact she is generous and empathetic.  Bottom line - she needed a better man than me to win her heart.  That does not make her bad or any other woiman in her trade.

I just think you are incorrectly using the term "model" to describe women who are not models but are tall and slender and act in a selfish manner.

My guess is that the number of authentic fashion models listed with marriage  agencies is less than 50, probably smaller.  Certainly not enough to worry about if they were indeed as you imply.

[Taz]

I have had the (dis)pleasure to date a few models. These were real models, actually in magazines. Almost every one of them was very focused on their physical appearance. I can’t say their personalities were bad per se, but they did have an all consuming passion to look their best.

My biggest problem was they were too focused on material things. For example the last one just had to have a Coach or Gucci purse. She would model very expensive things and wanted them for herself which I can appreciate.

The last one I dated was probably the most normal (if that is possible to say) but she had a hard time to stay focused on anything for more than about 30 minutes. She could change her mind quicker than any woman I’ve seen. My experience has also shown me they have an issue with punctuality as they always want to make “an entrance”.

At this point I’ll likely pass by the chance to date any more models. They aren’t that much prettier than a lot of typical Russian women. Their upkeep though is much frequenst, expensive and more intensive. I guess it is the difference between the last Porsche and Ferrari I had. The Porsche was as fast as the Ferrari and maybe even faster but not quite as “exotic”. The Porsche was expensive to maintain but comparatively I had to throw wads of cash at the dealer to keep the Ferrari on the road. I quickly tired of the upkeep, the tempermentalness and fear someone was going to damage it to the point it sullied my enjoyment of the car.

To me that sums up my experience with models, nice to look at but let someone else take care of them. I'll admire them from afar. I’ll settle (which really isn’t the case) for a nice, attractive, intelligent “normal” Russian woman. I want a woman I can enjoy EVERY DAY not just on special occasions. ;-)

[Rvrwind]

I want a woman I can enjoy EVERY DAY not just on special occasions. ;-)

Couldn't agree more Taz...Every minute togeher is a blessing & every second apart is torture...

[Eduard]

I have had the (dis)pleasure to date a few models. These were real models, actually in magazines. Almost every one of them was very focused on their physical appearance. I can’t say their personalities were bad per se, but they did have an all consuming passion to look their best.

My biggest problem was they were too focused on material things. For example the last one just had to have a Coach or Gucci purse. She would model very expensive things and wanted them for herself which I can appreciate.

The last one I dated was probably the most normal (if that is possible to say) but she had a hard time to stay focused on anything for more than about 30 minutes. She could change her mind quicker than any woman I’ve seen. My experience has also shown me they have an issue with punctuality as they always want to make “an entrance”.

At this point I’ll likely pass by the chance to date any more models. They aren’t that much prettier than a lot of typical Russian women. Their upkeep though is much frequenst, expensive and more intensive. I guess it is the difference between the last Porsche and Ferrari I had. The Porsche was as fast as the Ferrari and maybe even faster but not quite as “exotic”. The Porsche was expensive to maintain but comparatively I had to throw wads of cash at the dealer to keep the Ferrari on the road. I quickly tired of the upkeep, the tempermentalness and fear someone was going to damage it to the point it sullied my enjoyment of the car.

To me that sums up my experience with models, nice to look at but let someone else take care of them. I'll admire them from afar. I’ll settle (which really isn’t the case) for a nice, attractive, intelligent “normal” Russian woman. I want a woman I can enjoy EVERY DAY not just on special occasions. ;-)

Very well put, Taz!
I could also add to this that there is an interesting paradox Some of the most beautiful models or model-looking women have the lowest self-esteem issue which in many cases leads to all sorts of disfunctional behaviour weather it's drug addiction, shopping addiction or something else. They learn early on that their beauty is irisistible to men and they become master manipulators. Most of the times when I see a "model-like" gorgeus girl on local Russian dating site she is looking for a "sponsor" which in Russia means a sugar daddy...sex for support. When I first started looking into finding a Russian girl like most American men I did a yahoo and google searches and found some agencies offering "model quality" women..yes they were definitly gorgeous...The funny thing is that when I gave up on trying to find a wife through an agency and discovered those free local Russian dating sites like mheart.ru (where i met my wife actually) I found some of those model-quality women who were looking for an American husband on an agency site offering sex for money on a local Russian site!!!
We shouldn't generalise. I'm sure that there are some  stunning, model quality women who are as beautiful on the inside as the outside, but in my personal life experience those are exceptions rather than the rule.
I personally prefer cute, sexy and sensual to a gorgeous-model. As I mentioned before an average russian woman would be considered gorgeous in the west anyway. But she wouldn't have all the issues that those model-like women do.

[Alyona]

In my country many foreign men would come to visit.  So many of these men were probably spit on in there countries by there own women. 

At the same time, if they were not foreign men with money they would be spit on by the women in my country.

A nice woman usually wants to be with a nice man. They usually complement each other, whether in physical appearance, personality, outlook on life, etc.

Many men want to deceive themselves and think there is magic that will suddenly make a beautiful woman fall in love with them, even if they are slob, no personality, and poor appearance.

Eduard, are your clients living in real world when they come to you?  Do they have proper expectations?  What do you tell them to expect when using your service.

I understand you are business person and I noticed in your videos that you agreed with everything the man John said.   That is good business as client is always right. Were you being serious in your opinion or telling your client what he wanted to hear?

I understand if you would prefer not to answer this question but it is a curiosity I have after watching.

Alyona

[Eduard]

In my country many foreign men would come to visit.  So many of these men were probably spit on in there countries by there own women. 

At the same time, if they were not foreign men with money they would be spit on by the women in my country.

A nice woman usually wants to be with a nice man. They usually complement each other, whether in physical appearance, personality, outlook on life, etc.

Many men want to deceive themselves and think there is magic that will suddenly make a beautiful woman fall in love with them, even if they are slob, no personality, and poor appearance.

Eduard, are your clients living in real world when they come to you?  Do they have proper expectations?  What do you tell them to expect when using your service.

I understand you are business person and I noticed in your videos that you agreed with everything the man John said.   That is good business as client is always right. Were you being serious in your opinion or telling your client what he wanted to hear?

I understand if you would prefer not to answer this question but it is a curiosity I have after watching.

Alyona

Privet Alena,
My ex-girlfriend was from Tiraspol, Moldova by the way
Some men come to me with realistic expectations, others not. If a 55 year old guy contacts me and tells me that he wants to find real love with a girl 18 to 22 I tell him that I'm not the right man for him and even though he might find what he is looking for after years of searching I don't believe that there are many chances for a successful match there.
But I would say that the majority of men who sign up for my service are intelligent about this and have realistic expectations. I'm not sure which part of the video you are referring to where "I'm agreeing with everything my client says". But I'm very straight forward and I always tell my clients what I honestly feel.