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[brian1969]

hotrussianbrides.com has provided a bad experience for me, i wish i had read this forum before I joined.  I have been fortunate to only email one lady, but after several odd replies from her, she eventually admitted that she did not write the letters but that a translator wrote for her without her knowledge.  That leads me to believe that if someone else writes letters, that someone else may also be writing the instant messaging allowed. 

 

 

[Bruno]

[user=778]brian1969[/user] wrote:

hotrussianbrides.com has provided a bad experience for me, i wish i had read this forum before I joined.  I have been fortunate to only email one lady, but after several odd replies from her, she eventually admitted that she did not write the letters but that a translator wrote for her without her knowledge.  That leads me to believe that if someone else writes letters, that someone else may also be writing the instant messaging allowed.  

Welcome Brian... your post show something very interesting...

In your case, you was the "lucky" guy who was allowed to know the "true" about the agency via a "girlfriend"...

Now, imagine the situation a little other... the lady trust the agency and yourself discover some problem... what will be the normal reaction ?... Very simple, maybe you will place these lady in some Black List...

So, my point is that victim from bad agencu exist on both side... men and women are victim of bad practice from agency... Men loose a lot of money and women can be listed in Black List... the result is very bad since so wome will have very difficult to find a right men later...

I don't know how is now your relation with these woman... but consider that she was very honest to inform you about the black side of the agency... she is victim like you... so, if you are always in contact with these lady, try to find together a way for quit the agency and build a relationship without these agency... agency can be bad but it don't mean that the lady using these agency are bad...

Honest people are seldom in these business but if you read ( by example ) trip report from Michael, you can find a way for not more use agency ( he have send little amount of money via western union and have put his contact information in the message line  )...

In anycase, you can always use bad agency for find the right woman when you use the same weapon that the agency... why be honest with agency when they are not honest with you...

 

[Rvrwind]

Jack, I think you misunderstood some portions of my post. Our members are currently permitted to exchange postal addresses through our email or instant message service. However, the exchange of any other type of personal contact information through our online service, such as telephone numbers or email addresses, is prohibited. Thus, currently, if a lady or man places their postal address within an email, it will NOT be removed. If they place their telephone number, email address, ICQ, or any other form of personal contact information (other than their postal address) within an email, it will be removed. To clarify one point, we do NOT persuade the ladies against providing their postal address to another member. Each lady may provide her postal address at her own discretion.

Sorry I never noticed this sometime ago & am having to reopen this issue. Not that there will likely be any response but just to clarify how rediculous this paragraph & the statements within it are I will break it down and comment on what I see as total lack of understanding of this buisness or stupidity, take your pick.

Jack, I think you misunderstood some portions of my post. Our members are currently permitted to exchange postal addresses through our email or instant message service.

Great, no problem here, all as it should be.

However, the exchange of any other type of personal contact information through our online service, such as telephone numbers or email addresses, is prohibited

Okay, thats your policy.

Thus, currently, if a lady or man places their postal address within an email, it will NOT be removed. If they place their telephone number, email address, ICQ, or any other form of personal contact information (other than their postal address) within an email, it will be removed.

HUH??? So you think that with the postal address after the first letter they are not going to exchange phone #'s & e mail addresses. Again HUH???? Either you are totally dense or this is bull, not sure which. If your going to allow postal addresses, there is no point in not allowing phone#'s etc as they will soon have them anyway. I don't know whose brilliant idea this was but talk about a no brainer.

To clarify one point, we do NOT persuade the ladies against providing their postal address to another member. Each lady may provide her postal address at her own discretion.

Then you might as well allow them to exchange phone #'s & email addresses because you already lost them.

By the way as an agency owner myself, I can assure you that if it is costing you 120K a month to operate, save your money & invest it in the stock market, you'll have a better chance of recovering your investment. There is no way in hell you are going to make 240 large a month in this buisness (double your money to show a profit). I've seen some pretty slick operators in this buisness & even with all the lying & cheating they have become so proficient at, they are making nowhere near this kinda coin.

With more & more guys becoming self sufficient, full service agencies are becoming a thing of the past & as extinct as the dinosaurs they are. Except for the 'Keyboard Romeo's' that contribute nothing to the success of this buisness there is no advantage to offering full service anymore.

I wish you luck but judging from the way you form your policies as in the above example, you are gonna need a whole lot more than luck.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[TigerPaws]

With more & more guys becoming self sufficient, full service agencies are becoming a thing of the past & as extinct as the dinosaurs they are. Except for the 'Keyboard Romeo's' that contribute nothing to the success of this buisness there is no advantage to offering full service anymore.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[/quote][color="#0000ff"][size="4"]Rvrwind,[/size][/color]    [color="#0000ff"][size="4"]

 With all due respect I disagree with  your last statement, there is an opportunity for an enterprising businessman in  the introduction business. This would be the true "Full Service" agency and  would charge accordingly, this agency would cater to the more affluent men who  would be willing and able to drop 25 to 30 grand without batting an eye. Of  course they would be expecting a very high level of service and while no agancy  could guarentee positive results they would be able to personally interview each  girl, provide for the necessary complience with the IMBA, travel, accomidations,  car and driver, quality translators should they be necessary as well as a vast  array of other services. [/size][/color]

[Charles]

FWIW, you all might want to check out one of the Angelika Network sites.  Click on any lady and there is an offer to sell the a portion of the business for $600,000.  Apparently, they have put a portion of the business up for sale due to the requirements of the recent Marriage Broker Law.  

[Rvrwind]

Tiger although there is a niche market for what you describe it is not prevelant anymore. The big money agencies are slowly but surely dying out, there just ain't enough buisness to go around to keep all of them in buisness. The market now is swaying more to guys like me who offer pay for what you use.

I can deliver all of what you mention, plus, but I don't offer it as a package deal. Most guys now want to pick & choose what services they use, according to their needs & pay for only those services, And I do deliver top notch service. This is a much larger segement of the market. Most of my clients at present, because I don't have a whole lot of ladies at this time, but I still do have clients, are going around the other agencies. They don't want to pay for services they don't need or wish to use. I can tailor their trip to what they require saving them a ton of money.

No agency as you say can guarrantee results, but if they introduce you to enough women, sooner or later one of them will be the right one. I submit most guys with that kinda cash to throw around & getting somebody else to hook them up are not looking for a real wife but more for a trophy than anything else. Everything has its price & that includes most people. For the right price I can hook you up with almost any woman you want, but be prepared to pay the price.

Charles, I'd say thats a pretty hefty price to pay for any agency including Angelika & only a piece of it at that. I think I'd have my accountant go over their books with a fine tooth comb before I'd be willing to part with that wad. In my mind they would have to prove to me that they are taking in at least that amount per year to make it profitable, otherwise your wasting your time. Especially when I look at HRB's figure of 120 large per month for exspenses. I think somebody is dreaming.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Kevin]

TigerPaws
There are some high end agencies already out there. Just look at the  millionaire club   in New York that provide service though their Kiev office.  Only $10k/20k per year  just to join. But they will have the car  waiting for you and the ladies.  For only 5-10k a week in Kiev.    I have a friend who is a  member and it full of high end gold diggers but if that is what you  want then have at it.

But for the rest of us, stick with the honest agencies unless you have an extra 10-20k to spend on a high end lady.

By the way I'll sell my agency for 300k if any suckers our out there.  :angel:

Kevin Hayes
Agency owner

[bgreed]

Just to chime in here with my experiences with HRB/RLM.  I used this agency for about six months (OK I'm a slow learner).  I beleive that ther are a number of different things going on that makes things pretty muddy on the mans and womans end of things.

First the agencies receive renumeration for each opened email also for chats.  So yes there are girls that sit there in an agency and do their best to get you to chat.  I have received the chat notices from 19 year olds many times (I'm 49).  I also know that even if the girl loses interest that the agency continues to write so that their cash flow keeps on working.  I proved this  using someone on the ground in Odessa who spoke with the lady in question.  Who said she had no interest yet the letters were still coming.  (This was an agency called Orchid who has no site of their own)

On the positive side I have received phone numbers and email addresses from a couple of girls and have spoke with them on the phone.  Many of the agencies even though the rules have changed will tell the girls that they are forbidden to give out this information.  Instant loss of cash flow.  Others operate legitimately and allow this.  Of course there are girls who just would rather not give out this information and there is nothing you can do about that.

So all in all I would have to say that though way expensive HRB/RLM are legit the problem is with the policing of the agencies that they work with in the FSU.  So in many ways it is like working with a free site "let the buyer beware.

[andrewfi]

An aggregator such as HRB can only be as 'legit' as its weakest link. If we do not have a way of knowing that ALL the feeder agencies are legit, but we know that some are not, the only safe assumption is that none are legit - if this is true then it follows that to all intents and purposes, HRB can not be considered legitimate.

[Louie]

That's a very good point you bring up Andrewfin, I agree with you on that one.

[2tallbill]

I have a different opinion of RLM / HRB. I have used them and found their women real and beautiful, exciting and sexy. See my trip report trippin in St Pete. The 90% of the women I met in St Pete were from RLM

I think that Oksana and Alena are both helpful, polite and creative and they have each helped me a number of times.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

[Jack]

Ahhhh, a Happy HOT Russian brides client!!!   This is wonderful.

See all you new guys just goes to show you that although maybe some 12-15 guys earlier on this thread had a bad experience or bad feelings, one guy had success.

The same with Anastasiaweb. Many guys have been scammed but every now and then a guy will meet a real woman from Anastasiaweb, sometimes even getting married. So despite the high percentage of guys getting scammed, every now and then some guy, like Bill here, will have success.

Bill,  Patrick or the other guy, forgot which one now, said they had over 200 happy clients each month. I knew at some time we would have to hear from one of these thousands of happy clients.  Congratulations.