Great choice of of women of different "types" and ethnic groups

[KenC]

Hey, any girl with non-brown eyes is a plus to me!

Gator, thanks for the explanation.  I always wondered what was meant by "grey" eyes.
KenC

[Eduard]

Since Simoni came out and said it himself (I wouldn't do it without his permission), I will confirm that the idea for this thread came out of a conversation with him and IN NO WAY was meant to sell anything.
This was a sincere attempt to participate in RWD forum as a productive member who happens to have a very unique to this forum background and life experience. Yet I still get attacked...it is very discouraging and is beyond my understanding...
I'll address a couple of points. Yes America is a melting pot with a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds, cultures and languages.
Since I came to the USA I found that like Jet, many Americans saw FSU as a monolithic country of one culture and one language with no ethnic and cultural diversity. It was funny to see my Armenian and Lithuanian friends' faces when an American would ask them where they were from? They would respond Armenia/Lithuania. American: "oh so you are Russian!!!"  
Jet, FYI: FSU is just as much a "melting pot" as the US. With just as many distinct ethnic groups, who have their own culture and speak their own distinct languages (that have nothing in common with Russian). For example a Russian and a Georgian, other then being part of the FSU for 70 some years have as much in common as YOU JET and an IRANIAN man would. This is IMO a perfect analogy and if you think that this is not ethnic diversity, then I don't what is.
Up until late 90s when they changed Russian passports, you could find in every Russian/FSU passport - "Section 5. Nationality" and in that section of the Soviet/Russian/FSU passport it would say what your ethnic group was: either Russian or Ukrainian or Georgian, or Belarus, or Kazakh, or Hebrew, or Tatar, or Korean, or Chinese, or Uzbek, or German, or French, or Chuvash, or Moldavian, or Yakut, or another couple of hundred different ethnic groups located on the territory of FSU.
Yes I did say German and French and I could add to that probably any other Western European ex-pats who settled in Russia centuries ago, Africans who have been coming to Russia to get University education and settled there, had children...yes Jet, there are even Afro-Russians living in the FSU!!!. A lot of those ethnic groups actually hated Russia and Russians and saw them as conquerers and occupiers of their country. Countries like Estonia, Lithuania, latvia and many others were forced to teach kids Russian language, Communist ideology in schools and Soviet brand of "History"
I thought that this thread would a nice way of showing this diversity in the FSU that many Americans are not aware of and thought of it as strictly an educational thread. It boggled my mind to see the posts from KenC and Jet. On the other hand I appreciate posts from Gator and Simoni who were able to see it for what it really was.

Simoni by the way is absolutely right. I'm not an agency. If anything I am an Anti-Agency, but as I said this thread was somethin Simoni and I discussed and there was absolutely no intent to sell anything to anyone here. There is a Russian proverb on the subject: "Kazhdiy dumaet v meru svoey isporchennosti". It is a bit difficult to translate word for word, but in my interpretation it means "a person's perception of things equals his own character's positive or negative traits" In other words if you are a liar, you will think that most people are liars and will always doubt everyone's words. If you are a thief you will perceive everyone around you as thieves. If you are an honest person you will perceive people as basically honest people and will be a lot more likely to give people the benefit of a doubt than the first two.
A great, wise proverb IMHO!

[KenC]

Eduard,
Think of RWD as a melting pot of ideas and opinions.  We have the right to comment and to agree or disagree.  Disagreeing doesn't make anyone a lier, a thief or even wrong.
KenC

[Eduard]

Eduard,
Think of RWD as a melting pot of ideas and opinions.  We have the right to comment and to agree or disagree.  Disagreeing doesn't make anyone a lier, a thief or even wrong.
KenC

KenC,
your first post in this thread didn't sound like a simple disagreement to me. I don't think I'm being hypersensitive here since it seemed just like another attack not only to me but to some other members as well. I started this thread with absolutely no intention of selling anything or getting into another pissing contest with you or anyone else. I just wanted to celebrate the beautiful FSU women, talk about different ethnicities, types, likes, dislikes of different men, etc. etc. just wanted to have some fun here for a change. Then you and Jet show up with your negative comments again...Ideally RWD would be a great melting pot of ideas and opinions if some people would be a bit more tolerant to the ideas and opinions that are not necessarily in agreement with their's...

[Gator]

Eduard wrote,

I just wanted to celebrate the beautiful FSU women, talk about different ethnicities, types, likes, dislikes of different men, etc. etc. just wanted to have some fun here for a change.

Please continue with your original plan; don't allow yourself to become distracted.

[Simoni]

Please continue with your original plan; don't allow yourself to become distracted.

Gator is correct, Ed.  Stay the course.

There should be no debate here.  Intent is clear.   But if a fire breaks out, let it burn.   The truth is that time after time, those who lose control and call people liars do so because they have no intellectual response, and become like eighth graders in schools and use the "L" word.  I'm not talking specifically about this thread, but in online discussion boards in general.  Better to just ignore such language.

[Eduard]

Gator is correct, Ed.  Stay the course.

There should be no debate here.  Intent is clear.   But if a fire breaks out, let it burn.   The truth is that time after time, those who lose control and call people liars do so because they have no intellectual response, and become like eighth graders in schools and use the "L" word.  I'm not talking specifically about this thread, but in online discussion boards in general.  Better to just ignore such language.

Thanks Simoni and Gator, I'll follow your advice and just ignore the bullies.

[Eduard]

Oriental ? How about Nargiza's, 25 y.o. Tashkent realtor, from today's Bride RU list ?

Sandro, I got distructed, so never got to comment on this one. Mezmarizing eyes! Wow!!! obviously this girl is another fine example of East meets West. Blue (grey) eyes yet some eastern look to her as well! Eastern people generally have dark eyes unless there were some European genes added to the mix. You see this look quite often in places like Kazahstan, Tatarstan, etc.

[KenC]

Thanks Simoni and Gator, I'll follow your advice and just ignore the bullies.

Liars and bullies?
Seems as though some here need to grow up.
 Eduard,
This is the first time I have ever responded to any post you made here.  No, I take it back, in your original thread where you got so much heat for questionable statistics, I actually defended you.

There was no "attack" on you Eddy, I simply questioned that ethnic diversity is anything unusual to Americans.  My liar and thief comment was directly relating to your Russian proverb in a joking way.  Not agreeing with you is not a bullying tactic.

Simoni,
Why do you want to rehash the past?  If you want to snipe at me bring it on and we will have a full discussion of all the facts regarding liars and such.  It is snipping posts like your's that continue things long after the original participants have moved on.
KenC

[Simoni]

Ken-- I was not talking about you at all.

Ed-- I advise you to ignore this past post.

[BC]

Ken,

As you, I have always been quite sensitive of those with commercial interests that post.  Here I find intent quite 'mild'.  Moreover as I posted above I find this thread a great improvement.  A rock is a rock and will never change.  Here I see Eduard at the least making a welcome attempt to go 'mainstream'.

I also do not find Simoni's post sniping.  Sounds more like what my mother told me many times about 'sticks and stones'..

In any case I found my wife very exotic.. I always liked women that were a bit 'different'.  Of the physical features that attracted me most to my wife were her eyes shaped like almonds mixed with light skin and blonde hair.

Yes the US is a melting pot, but FSU seems to have an interesting and exotic 'mix' that I have not seen elsewhere.  Maybe this is the point Eduard is trying to make.

[KenC]

Ken,

As you, I have always been quite sensitive of those with commercial interests that post.  Here I find intent quite 'mild'.  Moreover as I posted above I find this thread a great improvement.  A rock is a rock and will never change.  Here I see Eduard at the least making a welcome attempt to go 'mainstream'.

I also do not find Simoni's post sniping.  Sounds more like what my mother told me many times about 'sticks and stones'..

In any case I found my wife very exotic.. I always liked women that were a bit 'different'.  Of the physical features that attracted me most to my wife were her eyes shaped like almonds mixed with light skin and blonde hair.

Yes the US is a melting pot, but FSU seems to have an interesting and exotic 'mix' that I have not seen elsewhere.  Maybe this is the point Eduard is trying to make.

BC,
I do appreciate your point of view here.  I am more than willing to encourage the track of this thread back on to the topic at hand.  But it seems like others still want to debate the right to have a different opinion and make false accusations of bullying tactics or to reexamine points made in other threads.  I am all for continuing an interesting topic and forgo the continuing rectal examination.
KenC

[BC]

  I am all for continuing an interesting topic and forgo the continuing rectal examination.

Wait until we meet.. (and I hope we do someday).. at our age we will both have stories to trade about these examinations.

 

[Eduard]

Wait until we meet.. (and I hope we do someday).. at our age we will both have stories to trade about these examinations.

 

LOL, funny, I had a good laugh! thanks BC!

[Jet]

Jet, FYI: FSU is just as much a "melting pot" as the US. With just as many distinct ethnic groups, who have their own culture and speak their own distinct languages (that have nothing in common with Russian). For example a Russian and a Georgian, other then being part of the FSU for 70 some years have as much in common as YOU JET and an IRANIAN man would. This is IMO a perfect analogy and if you think that this is not ethnic diversity, then I don't what is.

My boss is Iranian, moved here when he was in his early 20s  It's surprising how much we have in common.
I was aware that there are over 100 different languages spoken within the borders of Russia alone, but speaking a different language does not exclude one from thinking in a similar way, or participating in similar cultural traditions.

...yes Jet, there are even Afro-Russians living in the FSU!!!.

See, I learned something new from this thread after all 
My wife had to travel to Great Britian to see her first real live black person, at the tender age of 27 

There is a Russian proverb on the subject: "Kazhdiy dumaet v meru svoey isporchennosti".

There's an English proverb too:
"Trust but verify"

Eduard,
I don't have anything against you, PRAVDU.
I do see some comments that make me look at what you wrote a second time, because it's hard for me to believe, that's all. As an example, based on my wife's own self admission, she was NOT a "marriage minded" woman. She had a lot of local guys try to change her mind, and fail. Nevertheless we've been married for 4 1/2 years, so in my personal experience it is impossible to quantify what percentage of any nation's population is thinking, at any given time, and it surprised me that somebody would try! That doesn't mean I think you are a bad guy, a liar, a thief or anything else. It just means I disagreed with your take on the situation  :noidea:

[Simoni]

...based on my wife's own self admission, she was NOT a "marriage minded" woman. She had a lot of local guys try to change her mind, and fail.

 
I guess it depends on what you mean by marriage minded.   It's great that you were able to "change" her mind about marriage, Jet.  But my take is that it is even better to date a girl who is interested in marriage and a family.

I did the pro-dater bit-- hard core and soft core.  Hard cores are there just for the money and gifts. Soft core is there just for the meals and interactions in English.

I succeed when I changed my approach and went for a "marriage minded, family seeking" girl.

No, I don't agree with Ed that you need someone to filter through the girls to get out the rift raft.   I did that just fine. LOL

But the fact is that some girls in the fsu are NOT interested in marriage and a family, and some are.  Some men, like Jet, can persuade the girl to change her mind.  But the path of least resistance is the way I eventually went.

[Simoni]

I guess it depends on what you mean by marriage minded.   

Guess I better define the term as I see it, so as not to take this thread even more off topic.

I stopped dating girls under 25.  I started meeting girls 30 or over.   I made a point to focus on girls who had a good family situation, and wanted the same for herself.   And I looked for a girl who wanted to have a baby with me, and to create our own family.   

That was what I did, and how I define "marriage minded."  Other definitions may be different, and are just as valid. 

[Jet]

I guess it depends on what you mean by marriage minded.   It's great that you were able to "change" her mind about marriage, Jet.  But my take is that it is even better to date a girl who is interested in marriage and a family.

I guess the point of my post was to let Eduard know that I'm not "out to get him". I just disagree with some of his assertions. Admittedly, I'm an anomaly as is my wife. Neither one of us was looking to get married again, and because of that, neither of us was proactively searching for a mate when we met, so "search methods" are not applicable in our case. This also limits my experience in as much as I haven't trekked across a large geographical cross section of the FSU meeting scores of ladies in my "quest".

I guess I tend to attach a more generic definition to the term "marriage minded" in that I see it as a woman who is open to the possibility of marriage, and making some positive move on her own toward bringing that possibility to fruition.

[Eduard]

My boss is Iranian, moved here when he was in his early 20s  It's surprising how much we have in common.
I was aware that there are over 100 different languages spoken within the borders of Russia alone, but speaking a different language does not exclude one from thinking in a similar way, or participating in similar cultural traditions.

Jet, I've been to many countries and made friends with many different people from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds. When you get to know them you will find out that there are more similarities than differences. Other than language, cultural and anthropological differences people are not that different. But they still are considered different ethnically. So if you put a native American, Pakistani, Belgian, Korean and your Iranian boss in the same room, I would call it an ethnically diverse roomfull of people. Same exact thing goes for FSU: if you put Russian, Uzbek, Yakut, Bashkir, Georgian and Estonian in the same room, you're going to have just as diverse ethnically group of people I'm not an anthropologist so I don't know how to explain this any better, sorry. All I'm saying is that you and your Iranian boss might have a lot in common, be best of friends, etc. but you still have a very different ethnic background with him (at least from what I can see on your pic) just as different as Ukrainian and Yakut or Moldavian and a Chechen.

Eduard,
I don't have anything against you, PRAVDU.____it actually should be PRAVDA
I do see some comments that make me look at what you wrote a second time, because it's hard for me to believe, that's all. As an example, based on my wife's own self admission, she was NOT a "marriage minded" woman. She had a lot of local guys try to change her mind, and fail. Nevertheless we've been married for 4 1/2 years, so in my personal experience it is impossible to quantify what percentage of any nation's population is thinking, at any given time, and it surprised me that somebody would try! That doesn't mean I think you are a bad guy, a liar, a thief or anything else. It just means I disagreed with your take on the situation  :noidea:

Jet, I understand what you are saying, but please try to understand that I base my opinions on being born and raised in Russia, living there for about half of my life, most of my friends are Russian both in the US and in Russia, my mom is Russian, my grand parents were Russian, all my girlfriends were Russian, my wife is Russian. I might know a thing or two that a person just can't learn by visiting a country a few times and staying there for a few months or even years. Look, I've been here in the US for 29 years and I still feel that there are many things about the US and culture here that I don't quite get and probably never will. you really have to be born into a culture to trully understand it. I guess you are referring to a statistical argument in another thread...please believe me that I wouldn't distort facts on purpose
If you ask any person from Russia they will tell you exactly the same thing that I was saying.
My blief came from personal experience. No I wasn't aware of the official statistical data, and believe me that was a surprise that made me really think hard. I'm still puzzled by this, because in real life I observe the opposite to government's stats.
But why are we still talking about that? Why can't we just have fun in this thread?

[Vaughn]

Why can't we just have fun in this thread?

Me, I'm waiting for more photos....

[Eduard]

Good representation of women from Moldova IMO.
In case you didn't know; Moldovian and Romanian languages are the same and they basically are the same ethnic group living on the opposite sides of river Dnestr. Moldovian people have mixed with Russians and Ukrainians though, so you will find a wide variety of looks.

[SANDRO43]

OK, every country is a 'melting pot', to a wider or lesser extent, after WWII at least. Before that, Italy used to be a fairly stable country, looks-wise. "Celtic" looks in the north, more "Mediterranean" looks in our center-southern areas. Then, a substantial internal south-to-north migration in the 1950-1960s evened things out considerably. Nowadays, it's becoming harder and harder to bump into a 'true' Milanese here where I live.

Currently we, as many other European countries, are faced with immigration from OUTSIDE our national borders, bringing in even more different-looking/sounding people, adding both plusses AND minuses to the equation.  

As I've said before, a country with an improved economy will cause:
- Natives to shun certain jobs (we used to be a nation of emigrants up to the late 1960s).
- Become a magnet for non-natives eager to jump at available opportunities.

Therefore, whether you like it or not, be resigned to the fact that 'national' looks will become less and less distinct in the future, as time goes by. Our world is gradually becoming a series of communicating vases .

And Hispanic-born Roman Emperor Trajan, who thoroughly raped Dacia in the IInd century, caused it to become a Latin-speaking country .

[Eduard]

OK, every country is a 'melting pot', to a wider or lesser extent, after WWII at least. Before that, Italy used to be a fairly stable country, looks-wise. "Celtic" looks in the north, more "Mediterranean" looks in our center-southern areas. Then, a substantial internal south-to-north migration in the 1950-1960s evened things out considerably. Nowadays, it's becoming harder and harder to bump into a 'true' Milanese here where I live.

Currently we, as many other European countries, are faced with immigration from OUTSIDE our national borders, bringing in even more different-looking/sounding people, adding both plusses AND minuses to the equation.  

As I've said before, a country with an improved economy will cause:
- Natives to shun certain jobs (we used to be a nation of emigrants up to the late 1960s).
- Become a magnet for non-natives eager to jump at available opportunities.

Therefore, whether you like it or not, be resigned to the fact that 'national' looks will become less and less distinct in the future, as time goes by. Our world is gradually becoming a series of communicating vases .

And Hispanic-born Roman Emperor Trajan, who thoroughly raped Dacia in the IInd century, caused it to become a Latin-speaking country .

Bravo Sandro, I was hoping you would jump in with something insightful

[Eduard]

another one...another one??? ANOTHER ONE??????????????
well guys, just a friendly suggestion: If you decide to venture out and look for a girl on free russian dating sites, you better learn enough russian to read a profile...or...you might wind up with THIS - a girl with a surprise!!! LOL This one looks pretty convincing!

[KenC]

another one...another one??? ANOTHER ONE??????????????
well guys, just a friendly suggestion: If you decide to venture out and look for a girl on free russian dating sites, you better learn enough russian to read a profile...or...you might wind up with THIS - a girl with a surprise!!! LOL This one looks pretty convincing!

Eduard,
EWWWWWWWWW!
KenC