On Line Dating Sites

[ambach123]

Getmarriednow seems to have a gurantee and claim over 100 marriages per year.

Anyone has any experience with this agency?

[groovlstk]

Getmarriednow seems to have a gurantee and claim over 100 marriages per year.

Anyone has any experience with this agency?

As with any business in the FSU, particularly marriage agencies, take every claim or guarantee with a continent-sized grain of salt.

Do a search for Ashley Neil, the founder of getmarriednow.com. I believe he sold the agency but it has always been plagued with a less-than-steller reputation.

Funny enough, my very first exposure to RW came through this agency, way back in 1997 or 98 I stumbled across their site and corresponded with a few women, one of whom I met in Florence in 98. We didn't hit it off but she was honest and kind, and had some hair-raising stories about the business. I believe they were one of the first agencies with an online presence.

I knew a guy who travelled to Novosibirsk from NYC in 99, spent three days with a young woman he met through getmarriednow.com and proposed. Shortly after she arrived in the states he stopped answering my calls and emails, I assumed things didn't turn out so well.

[mac1165]

Please recommend some on line dating sites for Eastern Eruope.

Thanks

Well, I hate to toot my own horn, but since you asked, take a look at "Ukrainian Hearts".  We run a small introductions agency with personalized, experienced service, and free phone consultations. Just follow the link below.

[Ronnie]

Okay,

So much of this forum is filled with talk about what agency to use, what cities to visit, WOVO, WMVM, WOVM, K-1/2, GC, GCG, etc., etc.

So here's a wild idea.  Why not just cut to the chase.  If you want to marry a FSUW, just find one in your own back yard...While we've been chatting about "over there"... Many have found their own way "over here"

My stepson has been down lately because his RW girlfriend, jilted him.

I told his mother that the best way to get him over it is for him to find a new gal.  Wisely, he wants an RW or UW.  So we went on
www.love.rambler.ru and searched for Dyevushky between 18-23 in California...there were hundreds on this one site alone!

So, if unless you want spend all your vacation time travelling to FSU (as a travel agency owner, I'm not against this mind you!), fork out thousands on tickets, apartments, interpreters, visa fee, lawyers and countless other aggrevations, just cut to the chase and use these sites.

You may have to learn Russian....but which is the bigger challenge?

[ambach123]

Ronnie, there are serious problems in dating the RW who are already here. This has been discussed in detail in this forum.

The consensus is that you don't want to touch one, at least in this lifetime.

Not the least of this is that most often they broke the law and came here as a visitor and overstayed, and are looking for husbands.

Read the news item about 33 RW arrested exactly for this by Homeland Security.

The next category is those who ditched the husbands who brought them here; I have met a few, they are socially climbing and simply nauseating.

[Ronnie]

Ambach,
It's true, I was just about to supplement my comments with a caveat that one must make sure the lady is legally present.. if not, forget her if you can, the sooner the better. 

Ladies looking for the bigger better deal?  Hmmm, that's more of a risk if you're the stepping stone, bringing her over on your back and dime.

The reality is there are many here legally due to green card lottery,  relative sponsorship, church sponsorship, marriage where husband died or they got divorced for usual reasons.  We know one UW who was beaten by her AM (I cringe when I write AM because he belongs to certain ethnicity known for such behavior), she's moved out but trying to get him into counseling so they can work it out for the benefit of the baby they have.

[USCFAN]

Ronnie ... does that site you listed ... http://www.love.rambler.ru/ ... have an 'english switch' so that the site can be read in english? I can't find one ...

Thanks

[Ronnie]

I don't think so... That would make it too easy 

You could use http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Since the ladies probably speak English, you may not need to write in Russian..  But it never hurts to learn another language.

[tim 360]

Ronnie, there are serious problems in dating the RW who are already here. This has been discussed in detail in this forum.

The consensus is that you don't want to touch one, at least in this lifetime.

Not the least of this is that most often they broke the law and came here as a visitor and overstayed, and are looking for husbands.

Read the news item about 33 RW arrested exactly for this by Homeland Security.

The next category is those who ditched the husbands who brought them here; I have met a few, they are socially climbing and simply nauseating.

Ambach, You are painting RW's that are here with a rather broad brush.  There are some here on student visas or work or close relative or cultural exchange or business visas and they are not here to scam anybody.  That said, there are also some here you should not touch with a stick.

[Ronnie]

As to the 33 you mentioned, if I'm not mistaken that was the sailors marrying eastern European women who were on student visas?  I don't know the laws concerning student visas but as far as I know there's no law prohibiting a foreign student to marry as long as there's no fraud involved.  I know a man who married a student from Colombia with no problems except the usual wait for a green card.

So, it's not that they broke a law by marrying, they got married solely for immigration purposes and not for love.  The sailor got extra pay for being married..they should be harshly punished IMO..screwing the country they are sworn to serve and protect!

[2tallbill]

Ronnie, there are serious problems in dating the RW who are already here. This has been discussed in detail in this forum.

The consensus is that you don't want to touch one, at least in this lifetime.

Not the least of this is that most often they broke the law and came here as a visitor and overstayed, and are looking for husbands.

Read the news item about 33 RW arrested exactly for this by Homeland Security.

The next category is those who ditched the husbands who brought them here; I have met a few, they are socially climbing and simply nauseating.

Since I live in the San Francisco Bay Area with a very large Russian community living here. We have Russian Yellow pages, I have sold many Russians windows (they were very wealthy),

I have met quite a number of local RW. You get all types they are definitely not all the same. Out of the several dozen that I have met at Russian speaking meetups, the internet etc. only two were K-1 divorcees. The rest came here some totally different way.

I dated one RW K-1 divorced gal for several months. She wasn't a social climbing type at all. I am sure you can find a Social climbing, domestic violence charging, Queen B!tch. But I haven't really met one in person yet. Granted, I have rejected a number of local RW based on a letter or two or a phone call where I could see a disaster in waiting. 

I used the force / Spidey Sense / stuff learned here / common sense.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

[Kuna]

Ladies looking for the bigger better deal?  Hmmm, that's more of a risk if you're the stepping stone, bringing her over on your back and dime.

I'm sure I must have misunderstood this part of your post... or perhaps your intention wasn't to say it how it sounds.

Surey we are all looking for ladies with the right character - and any woman using a mule to achieve her goal is highly likely to see everyone as a mule until her ultimate goals are fulfilled.

I'd appeal to everyone to be cautious and guarded wherever they meet a lady - whether that be in FSU or a home.




On the broader topic of "Which Agency to use"... I'd say any of them are good IF they don't charge by the letter.

With the sites that charge a membership up front you know exactly what it will cost you... and there is no incentive for the site to send you scam letters.

I personally used EM's and found it to be good. The only membership I paid was $99 for 3 months of new listings.  My theory was that I wanted to meet girls who were just starting out in the caper rather than girls who'd been stuffed around by countless keyboard romeo's.

Strangley enough I didn't meet my wife through Elenas though.  I met her through Freepersonals.ru.

Best of luck to everyone still in the search phase... my only advice is NEVER PAY FOR CORRESPONDENCE BY THE LETTER - and try to make it easier on yourself by finding someone with at least mnimal english to start out with.

Kuna

[Ronnie]

Kuna,

I think you understood my point.  One is more likely to be used as a "mule" as  you put it, to make the trip to the new country.  At that point she may be looking for the BBD (bigger, better, deal) or just wants now to find her true love.  I'm sure there are both kinds and such is true of women from all cultures.  I just feel the risk is higher of insincerity when their still waiting for a GC than after they've got it.  Maybe I'm wrong but it would make sense to me and like Tall Bill, I haven't actually met such women here.

I agree with about paying by the letter, but maybe for different reasons.  Most agencies give you the choice of pay by the letter or flat monthly fee for unlimited letters.  If charging by the time spend working on your translations is wrong, then I'm missing why.

I will throw in my praise for the agencies of the Angelika Network.  While, as with any franchise, the quality varied from franchisee to franchishee, I generally found the owners and staff to be at or above expectations.  I worked with nine of them: Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Moscow, St Petersburg and Vinnitsa. 

[2tallbill]

ok thank for that inputs.
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hmmmmmm............what is the purpose of all the links?

Bill

[Kuna]

Kuna,

I think you understood my point.  One is more likely to be used as a "mule" as  you put it, to make the trip to the new country.  At that point she may be looking for the BBD (bigger, better, deal) or just wants now to find her true love.  I'm sure there are both kinds and such is true of women from all cultures.  I just feel the risk is higher of insincerity when their still waiting for a GC than after they've got it.  Maybe I'm wrong but it would make sense to me and like Tall Bill, I haven't actually met such women here.

I agree with about paying by the letter, but maybe for different reasons.  Most agencies give you the choice of pay by the letter or flat monthly fee for unlimited letters.  If charging by the time spend working on your translations is wrong, then I'm missing why.

I will throw in my praise for the agencies of the Angelika Network.  While, as with any franchise, the quality varied from franchisee to franchishee, I generally found the owners and staff to be at or above expectations.  I worked with nine of them: Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Moscow, St Petersburg and Vinnitsa. 

Ronnie,

1. There's no guarantee over anyone's character - therefore we should all be seeking lower risk paths on this high risk journey.

2. I actually didn't know what you meant, that's why I asked...  and I'm still a little bemused.  The advice is just strange to me...  but we all have our own standards, values and experience to guide us.

To qualify what I'm about to say I'll quote the comment that I find strange:

Ladies looking for the bigger better deal?  Hmmm, that's more of a risk if you're the stepping stone, bringing her over on your back and dime.

Women seeking "bigger better deals" will always be seeking bigger better deals, and that doesn't make them marriage material in my mind - no matter where they were born or where they live. 

Advising men that they're better off with them once they are in the US rather than being the ones "bringing her over on their back and dime" is bad advice in my opinion.  Of course as I said earlier though - we all have our own standards, values and experiences though.

I wish all of the men accepting such advice all the best in their quest for a genuine and fulfilling long term relationship.   

3. I've met a Russian girl in my home city through a business contact. I've forgotten about her till this thread.  Many years ago she was dating a business associate and she openly told people that when she found someone with more money than him she would leave him.  He was doing quite well at the time - but that didn't stop her sampling some of the alternatives that were around.

His business took a hit at one point... she was gone... he recovered... and she wanted back in.

Not a nice girl...  but ultimately he said he should have known better.  (She immigrated with her mother - who was the MOB btw).

3. As for your agency recommendation I have no comment... I never used them.  I remember seeing their site when I was initially in seek mode but I chose not to use them for one reason or another.

4. Your comment about translation costs is valid - but again our approaches may be different.  I chose to exclusively write to women with at least "good" English. I saw no point in making this quest more difficult than it could be - and yes, only selecting women with "good" English reduced the total potential women I could write to but I didn't feel I needed a pool of thousands to find what I was seeking.

All the best in the future.

Kuna

[groovlstk]

Ronnie, there are serious problems in dating the RW who are already here. This has been discussed in detail in this forum.

The consensus is that you don't want to touch one, at least in this lifetime.

Not the least of this is that most often they broke the law and came here as a visitor and overstayed, and are looking for husbands.

I dated plenty of local RW and found a mixed bag of characters, but certainly no worse (or better) than their sisters living in Ukraine or Russia. There are certainly some who emigrated here for the wrong reasons but I think the main criticism comes from guys who are miffed that these women don't throw themselves at the feet their American suitors, unlike their more desperate sisters.

[mac1165]

On the broader topic of "Which Agency to use"... I'd say any of them are good IF they don't charge by the letter.

If you're paying a membership fee, at some point you will have to pay someone to translate your letters and phone calls, assuming the lady isn't fluent in English. 

I don't believe in paying by the letter, because sometimes you only want to write 100 words or so and other times you want to write 1000.  Paying by the word makes more sense to me, because you're paying exactly for what you and your lady actually write.  This is the service we offer at Ukrainian Hearts. 

[BillyB]

I will throw in my praise for the agencies of the Angelika Network. 

Angelika does have a decent reputation but what I don't like about them is when a guy decides not to use their services and buy contact info of the ladies, most likely he will not get an email address when in fact many of those ladies do have a personal email address. So a guy ends up choosing the pay by the letter method instead of communicating through snail(postal) mail.

[Kuna]

If you're paying a membership fee, at some point you will have to pay someone to translate your letters and phone calls, assuming the lady isn't fluent in English. 

I don't believe in paying by the letter, because sometimes you only want to write 100 words or so and other times you want to write 1000.  Paying by the word makes more sense to me, because you're paying exactly for what you and your lady actually write.  This is the service we offer at Ukrainian Hearts. 

BINGO!

Some quick thoughts on this:

1. I wouldn't (and didn't) write to anyone unless she had, AT LEAST, good english...  This journey is difficult enough - why make it more difficult than it has to be?

2. If there was someone I couldn't resist writing to who didn't have good English - I certainly wouldn't write more than one or two letters before visiting.  Letter number 1 would say something like; a) This is me b) I am serious c) I am coming to your city on X date d) would you like to meet me for tea and cake?... Of course I wouldn't create bulletpoints! 

3. Guys who get trapped into prolonged writing campaigns via agency translators are asking to be skinned.  Why not just save the romantic letters and buy a ticket?

[Ronnie]

Billy,,
Maybe she doesn't have a computer or internet access.  It's still a luxury item.  Internet cafe time can also be prohibitive.  Postage can be a burden, all with no guarantees that you'll even meet.
Heck, it's even difficult for many to pay for the transportation to the agency to drop off and pick up letters.

We tend to underappreciate what those people are faced with each day in order to survive economically.

[Ronnie]

BINGO!

Some quick thoughts on this:

1. I wouldn't (and didn't) write to anyone unless she had, AT LEAST, good english...  This journey is difficult enough - why make it more difficult than it has to be?

2. If there was someone I couldn't resist writing to who didn't have good English - I certainly wouldn't write more than one or two letters before visiting.  Letter number 1 would say something like; a) This is me b) I am serious c) I am coming to your city on X date d) would you like to meet me for tea and cake?... Of course I wouldn't create bulletpoints! 

3. Guys who get trapped into prolonged writing campaigns via agency translators are asking to be skinned.  Why not just save the romantic letters and buy a ticket?

Now we're on the same page about writing in general.  But if you must write, the monthly fee included translation with Angelika...phone calls, I don't know.

Here's a novel idea, maybe the WM should learn Russian.  After all, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? 

[Misha]

Here's a novel idea, maybe the WM should learn Russian.  After all, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? 

I agree with you there Ronnie.

[BillyB]

Billy,,
Maybe she doesn't have a computer or internet access.  It's still a luxury item.  Internet cafe time can also be prohibitive.

Most ladies do have knowledge on how to use the internet cafe. The attendant can help her if she doesn't have knowledge. I've written to a lot of ladies with a personal email account that were listed at Angelika as not having one.

I did buy 20 contact info at Angelika with email addresses and the response rate was poor compared to other dating sites I used. Could be that they will give out the personal email addresses of a few ladies who are not popular or who have been in the system for a long while.

Angelika could give personal email addresses of most ladies when selling contact info if they wanted to. There's a rea$on they don't. The option of buying contact info is a joke there but the option probably gets customers to start doing business with them. Unfortunately those customers will soon pay per letter for their top ladies there when other guys found the same ladies on a dating site and are writing them for a small fee or even free.

[Misha]

Maybe she doesn't have a computer or internet access.  It's still a luxury item.

A woman may not have a computer and internet access at home, but quite often she has access at work. Most of the women that I chatted with online via a free Russian dating site were at work when online.

[roykirk]

A woman may not have a computer and internet access at home, but quite often she has access at work. Most of the women that I chatted with online via a free Russian dating site were at work when online.

This doesn't apply to UW, because I never really talked with any, but the axiom I always used was to be very suspicious of anyone who claimed they had no cellular phone and no e-mail access (anywhere).  Yes, it's narrow-minded, but out of all of the women I talked to, I only ever met one who claimed she had no cellular phone...and I'm quite sure she was a scammer.  Nobody ever claimed they had no e-mail access, although I certainly understood that many did not necessarily have it at home.