weird thread.
TW- you asked a sincere question on what the GENERAL attitiude of RW would be to
a black man visiting Ukraine.
and you are mulatto?and yes i'll be quite un-PC like most RW are,
and tell you that does make a difference to *many*, and since it doers, it would improve your chances.
its silly this thread debates the exceptions,
regardless how many exceptions exist, the more RW that are genuinely intersted in you the more chances of success.
you did not ask *if* you could find exceptions to a generral attitude
(of course you can)
you just asked what that general attitrude or mentality is .
repeatedly folks with real experience have related to you that the menatlity "generally"
is like the US in the 40's 50's ,most likely in the US's deep sooth.
(maybe 60's)
Like major US cities did back in the 50's ,
current Kiev and larger more cosmopolitan FSU cities will have MORE execptions to the general "50's "attitude.
in kiev you may not notice much..
in provincial citries in Ukraine you'll find a pretty backwards and very "dated" attitude in general regarding race.
I hope we are not "bad" people for telling you that.
This not to intentionally disuade you, or comment on your endeaor,
or your taste in women in anyway!!!
it is simply to inform you of what youll likely encounter.
so you can prepare accordingly.
it is what you asked for afterall?
and i find it incredbly odd those that have lived there,or have a bit odf real experience with that culture and tell you how it actually is,
are being beat down for giving you the information you requested.
that's bizarre really.
mspanky-
you bring up the perceived discrmination of RW towards large age gaps , or overweight ,balding men ,
as a similar scenerio.
i completely agree! and do not understand your point?
if an overweight balding, older man came her and asked
specifically about the the general attitude of young RW towards such a man
*romatically*
he would get very similar advice?
especially from the RW.
That, in *general*,(since that is what he asked)
MANY young RW would not be interested in him seriuosly, but that he could find exceptions.his odds would be longer.
he would need to be even more careful in evaluating his romantic interests true feelings.
and noone would be jumping on people for giving him that sound advice?
TW- I wish you good luck..
(and yes , in wacky human relations any of us would need it)
If you are a reasonably handsome succesful man, these small hurdles are not going to dissuade you from traveling there.
you have a friend on the ground there, so should have a great time visiting an interesting place.You seem to have guarded expecatations,and with all that going for you (i liked the caddyshack quote)
are pretty far ahead of a lot of the knuckleheads that travel there.
you did ask a specific question.
you got more answers than you planned for most likely..lol
but do realize that it IS a different culture,
and wjhile there are similarities,there are also differences.
general attitudes on race is one of those areas.
(my wife is from a major Ukranian city, and had only seen a handful of black perope in her entire life before relocating to the US.She is very open minded, but that is not typical of her peers, most are very racist by US standards.)
bob said
Here are the facts:
1) We are proposing to meet women from a foreign land with a foreign culture and language (for the most part) on the internet
2) These women are from countries with substantially lower per capita GDPs than our own
3) These women have far fewer financial resources than ourselves
4) We propose to only have a relative paucity of face to face meetings before applying for a fiancé visa
5) We are going to personally finance and shepherd these ladies through the US Customs and Immigration system, because without our help and signature they couldn’t do it themselves.
6) We are doing all this while eschewing marrying women in our own country with more similar salaries, languages, culture and equal protection under US law.
These are facts. It’s amazing to me when some FSU woman says something that would be considered inappropriate in normal US society
LOL Bob!
you do a boat load of internet 'cephrin' and come up with all those hard facts.
Did it occur to you that despite finding it on the internet,,
your facts do not fit many here?
so are not really um all that "factual"
but wow! it *might* be a decent generality
(isnt that what you are taking exception to in the first place?..ohh the irony ..lol)
Did it cross your mind that when a RW gives her view on *general* RW mentality,
and it would be considered inappropriate in "normal US society"
that regardless it just might be accurate?
in fact ,,because it is a completely different culture..
that it just might, just maybe,, just a slim possibilty, reflect many RW's mentality?
and not fit into your very US based perceptions?
The fact remains you do not know a thing about FSU culture.
The fact remains it is more racist than the US.
you cant find any statistics proving a black man has less chance of success.
thats not surprising.considering you cant find any statistics on him having a better chance either can you?
To use things you can not find , as evidence to support your thoughts on a culture you know nothing firsthand about , is odd.
When TW is comtemplating going to a completely different culture to look for
a seriously marriage minded woman,he would need to consider if that culture was less
open in "general" to interacial marriages.
will it matter if he ultimately meets someone that doesnt care?
of course not!
should he be informed that in the particular culture he is asking about,,
his odds would likely be less simply because it isnt as open to such couples?
I would think he would want that info? since he asked.
what a silly debate.
