Run for your lives....The propaganda war

[krimster]

Scott, sounds a lot like you are you being self-referential, do go on....

[ScottinCrimea]

Mark, why don't you just stick with the initial subject and answer Shadow's question?

[krimster]

Scott the question has been answered by myself and one other person to the degree that it needs to be.  Shadow's nonsensical illogical
demands are irrelevant.  His assertion that if I cannot find a legal copy of a particular law then this law does not exist is pure nonsense.  At the moment I happen not to have a copy of the US criminal code outlawing murder, does this fact allow me to murder someone?  My self and one other person presented our information, provided our sources, this is the end of our journalistic duty.  I am afraid you are mistaken if you think something else is needed or required.

[BC]

Jeez...  seems we're back where it started... -just in another thread.

What's this world coming to..

[ScottinCrimea]

What wasn't required was your posturing about your vast experience in the FSU and challenging that of another who could probably even whip you in an arm wrestle.  Your accusations prior to adequate research show evidence of a trend.

Now as to your answer to Shadow's question, I think his point was well taken that your limited "research" prior to claiming authority on the subject and stating certain points as facts was premature at best.  I don't see his request as nonsensical or illogical at all.  You claim a fact, please provide the source.

And you should thank that "one other person" (couldn't even bother to go back and research that this was gabaub?) for at least providing a reasonable source for the argument that you could not.

[BC]

Lets not turn into trolls for the sake of argument.

Second quote for the day

 

[krimster]

Scott,
   For the third time here is the information:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

That de-facto serfdom persisted in Russia till as late as 1974 (with a brief break during the Civil War), when the USSR Government Decree #667 was put in effect, for the first time in Russian history granting peasants identification documents, with an unrestricted right to move within the country — thus detaching them from the piece of land where they had worked for generations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz

Until 1969 all children born on a collective farm were forced by law to work there as adults unless they were specifically given permission to leave.[7][8] In effect, farmers became tied to their sovkhoz or kolkhoz in what is often described as a system of "neo-serfdom".[9]


Scott, I've done this at least three times, gabaub has added to what I documented here, three references by two people, really isn't this enough???????
(my fourth seems to have a problem)

Should I post it 10 or 20 times???  What is unclear??

[pitbull]

Guys,

My personal circumstances don't matter in this particular issue. The thing is, both me and Shadow are asking the same question, related to one particular Krimster's claim.

Not only is the claim outrageously ignorant, not only does he falsify the "supporting source" (please refer to my post #131), but he also resorts to personal attacks instead of logical argument on the issue.

All three facts IMO largely discredit the value of Krimster's contribution to this board.

Also, the idea that spending 3 years in a country makes a person an expert on everything related to this country, from history to mentality, is stupid in the least. 

I've lived in the US for 3 years, and I would not even imagine to claim to know everything related to the US better than anyone, Americans included.

[I/O]

Having lived in your country I would doubly decline
Makkin

Many who are here right now would share your opinion and we very much welcome them to visit the departure gate at the nearest international airport.

and be glad that I am not a wenging POM at the same time.

Funny you should mention that and elude to your English roots not so far back.
  

 I/O you have the ability to be the smart-azz as often as you like but an expert on statistics you are not.

Never professed to be an expert on statisitics.

Please explain your stupid facts for me better

I noted in excess of 150 odd million...........Russia has what, 145 million people, Ukraine what 47 million...........isn't that in excess of 150 odd? I've criss crossed a good amount of that area and whilst I acknowledge some might have reason to, believe it or not, they ain't lined up caught inside some wire fence at the border praying for a quiet moment when they can escape. Far more Russians and Ukrainians than I suspect you and maybe others realise, DO have options and they choose to stay right where they are. To think otherwise silly.

Makkin, the way your original comment read to me was implying IF Russians/Ukrainians had the option, they would prolly move to America. Of course some will/do, but most don't. Again, many more have the option than perhaps you realise. The recent thread where Roykirk/his G/F was shot at because his G/F had the capacity to make an international holiday is a classic example of how some here, even some ex pat Russians, clearly have no idea of what the situation is on the ground in many parts now.

Mate-E

A term much better used in affection than sarcasm.

I/O

[pitbull]

This is my last attempt...

Krimster, PLEASE answer my questions in reply #131

[krimster]

Pitbull,
   **************************....

Further insults of this nature will result in your being placed in moderated status. Keep it civil please

[Jet]

Scott, I've done this at least three times, gabaub has added to what I documented here, three references by two people, really isn't this enough???????
(my fourth seems to have a problem)

Should I post it 10 or 20 times???  What is unclear??

Well Krimster the part that was unclear to me was what happened to:
"The events described are taking place in the early 1990's, not 80 years ago."

That's the assertion everyone has been having a problem with, or had you forgotten you mentioned that?

[BC]

Scott,
   For the third time here is the information:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

That de-facto serfdom persisted in Russia till as late as 1974 (with a brief break during the Civil War), when the USSR Government Decree #667 was put in effect, for the first time in Russian history granting peasants identification documents, with an unrestricted right to move within the country — thus detaching them from the piece of land where they had worked for generations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz

Until 1969 all children born on a collective farm were forced by law to work there as adults unless they were specifically given permission to leave.[7][8] In effect, farmers became tied to their sovkhoz or kolkhoz in what is often described as a system of "neo-serfdom".[9]


Scott, I've done this at least three times, gabaub has added to what I documented here, three references by two people, really isn't this enough???????
(my fourth seems to have a problem)

Should I post it 10 or 20 times???  What is unclear??

Members of the kolkhoz were required to do a minimum number of days work per year on both the kolkhoz and on other government work such as road building. In one kolkhoz the requirements were a minimum of 130 days a year for each able-bodied adult and 50 days per boy aged between 12 and 16. That was distributed around the year according to the agricultural cycle.[5] If kolkhoz members did not perform the required minimum of work, the penalties could involve confiscation of the farmer's private plot, a trial in front of a People's Court that could result in three to eight months of hard labour on the kolkhoz, or up to one year in a corrective labor camp.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz

Are you kidding... only a minimum of 130 days a year for adults??  What a life... where do I sign up...  50 days per boy from 12 and 16?.. Heck I spent more days mowing lawns in those years.

Besides the links, where's the beef?  I'm chewing on only buns.. 

[krimster]

Oh no, I've been warned because I told Ptibull that her husband had my sympathies, how very Soviet

[BC]

Oh no, I've been warned because I told Ptibull that her husband had my sympathies, how very Soviet

Is kinda 'below the beltline' when referring to an inactive (as in non posting) spouse around here...

Have to agree on that..

[krimster]

Sorry, it wasn't direct to her spouse but to her, seemly fairly mild especially compared to her tone
I guess I expected fairness, no worries, the old new login with a proxy server will give me a new ID in 5 minutes,
so who will I be this time?

[Admin]

Sorry, it wasn't direct to her spouse but to her, seemly fairly mild especially compared to her tone
I guess I expected fairness, no worries, the old new login with a proxy server will give me a new ID in 5 minutes,
so who will I be this time?

Mark,

No need to over-react. The warning was because you stepped over the line to make reference to a member's spouse - which in terms of civil discourse, you already knew was inappropriate. The warning carries no loss of privileges. We hope it will simply be a wake-up call so that the offending behavior will cease.

As for multiple ID's, those are usually pretty easy to spot. If not spotted, and the offending behavior does not re-appear - OK, no problem. If it does re-appear, then it is handled same as before. Sort of a gigantic waste of time/energy for everyone - but more for the person with multiple ID's.

How about getting back on course and participate constructively? Better for everyone.

- Dan

[krimster]

Dan,

"No need to over-react"

Uh, I didn't Dan.  But now I'm afraid I have to WARN you that this board is totally a waste of EVERYONE'S time, even yours, but ESPECIALLY MINE
Don't worry it's just a warning...

[Admin]

Dan,

"No need to over-react"

Uh, I didn't Dan.  But now I'm afraid I have to WARN you that this board is totally a waste of EVERYONE'S time, even yours, but ESPECIALLY MINE
Don't worry it's just a warning...

Mark,

Fortunately, not everyone agrees with you.

- Dan

[krimster]

Dan,
   Unfortunately, I find myself not caring...

[Admin]

Dan,
   Unfortunately, I find myself not caring...

Mark,

If you didn't care, you wouldn't be here posting.

- Dan

[krimster]

sorry, but posting and being concerned with the utility value of my posts to the needs of the people here are completely unconnected.

I post for self amusement the same as everyone else, I just happen not to take any of it AT ALL SERIOUSLY
yawn

Even this is amusing

[Admin]

sorry, but posting and being concerned with the utility value of my posts to the needs of the people here are completely unconnected.

I post for self amusement the same as everyone else, I just happen not to take any of it AT ALL SERIOUSLY
yawn

Even this is amusing

I suppose self-amusement is a motivator for some. So long as that amusement is not gained at the expense of other members, it is harmless.

- Dan

[Shadow]

I post for self amusement the same as everyone else, I just happen not to take any of it AT ALL SERIOUSLY
yawn

Even this is amusing

Where I come from this is called trolling. Do not feed the trolls.
Thanks for making any kind of post you will do from now on invalid.
After all who needs facts if they post for amusement.

[krimster]

Shadow,
Make whatever self-serving proclamation you wish.
I've enjoyed LAUGHING at the idiotic "advice" you've given to people here