Boy It's Quiet Here Today................. :)

[START2]

I can now say that when I told my wife several months ago that when the AD group sent us JC and Srebro that it was just a matter of time before they would be revealed and at some point bury themselves. Sometimes for a body to survive you have to cut out the cancer.

[BC]

I can now say that when I told my wife several months ago that when the AD group sent us JC and Srebro that it was just a matter of time before they would be revealed and at some point bury themselves. Sometimes for a body to survive you have to cut out the cancer.

.. unless we're talking about cancer of a vital organ.. RW are the main ingredient here.

[Shadow]

How about one set of rules that EVERYBODY follows without exception.

How about no rules  at all. 

[Admin]

How about no rules  at all. 

I thought you got tired of that over at that other place. 

- Dan

[BC]

How about no rules  at all. 

Requires too much self-discipline. 

[Admin]

Requires too much self-discipline. 

We *used to* have some of that here. I wonder what happened?

- Dan

[KenC]

Ken,

Yes, I do indeed believe there are two set of rules.  In my book you have not acted like a gentleman. Heck, when a newcomer comes aboard we give him tips.. such as opening doors, taking her coat, sitting her at the table, attire, being a gentleman etc etc.  In return we want a family oriented wife.   

The contradiction you put forth with this post is like day and night.  In a world where a majority of men complain about feminazi's, womens lib, equality etc etc, your statement here seems to say give me the cake and icing too.. for free.

Want equality? Marry a full blown AW with a feminazi agenda.  Hey.. that's what most of us did in the first place..

I take great pride in being the best gentleman I can be.  I do not always succeed but do really try.  My wife also puts forth great efforts to keeping our relationship, household and family going, even with the long odds we face.

Quite honestly, and I truly hope it is so - you have a very unique relationship with a RW.. this does not however translate or transfer well along the lines of this post to the other 99.999% of us out here.

Sure guys, don't open doors, refuse to take coats, favor equality over what you seek and see how the women you meet in FSU react, well the overwhelming majority anyway.

I LOVE the women who come to this forum, every one of them without exception.. why?

Because when I read their posts, I can relate the thoughts expressed with my direct experience living 24/7 with my family for over 5 years.

Elen, Jazzy, Serebro, DonnaP, and all the other FSU women gain my full respect for even attempting to be a part of this community.  Their input along with that from other men have been essential to our personal success.  I was extremely lucky that I got to taste both the apple and the orange.  I only wish the same for any man that comes here.

BC,
I guess you are a better man than me then, because I cannot continue to be respectful to those that show me disrespect.  Man or woman.
Ken

[BC]

We *used to* have some of that here. I wonder what happened?

- Dan

Folks (including myself from time to time) taking themselves and this venture too seriously.

[Shadow]

I thought you got tired of that over at that other place. 

- Dan

That was a clear example of rules being but nobody caring to enforce them.
Better not to have them than nobody caring. 

[Shadow]

A common trait of many FSUW. Is there
some psycho-social-historical reason for this?????

1. Gender
2. Heritage

And you are looking for one of those. Remember that well.

[BC]

BC,
I guess you are a better man than me then, because I cannot continue to be respectful to those that show me disrespect.  Man or woman.
Ken

Ken,

Take the term used by Serebro, refer to the definitions I posted recently and assume that the term used was equal to 'laughable'.

Would that be disrespectful?

Speaking several languages inadequately myself, English German, Italian, French and smattering of three or four others I am extremely happy when folks give me the benefit of doubt.

Now I'm not going to chock this all up to communication/language/culture difficulties, but one thing I have learned here is that there is a high road and it is my choice whether to take it or not regardless of what others have done. (thanks Dan!)

My father told me that even as an educator, one must never stop learning.  I enjoy being a sponge rather than a rock hard fossil.

I am not a better man than you Ken, I just see things from a different angle and try to glean the most I can from each and every post I read.

[Admin]

1. Gender
2. Heritage

And you are looking for one of those. Remember that well.

"1. Gender" - Because they are women they are prone to attack rather than argue!  :noidea:

Shad, you better hope they don't get wind of that over at AD, or they will skin you alive.   :zappedhim:

- Dan

[I/O]

It's not Serebro but you, guys, who lost again. Just wondering what do you do with your wives when their comments get too uncomfortable for you? Ban them?

As I can only speak for myself, uncomfortable comments come every day of the week. The mode of delivery is somewhat different to what we have seen here. Put simply, my wife is of a vastly different calibre to what we have seen here leading up to this recent event.

BC: Just want to address your "Opening doors" comment. I never fail to open a door or pull out a chair for my wife, but you know what, sometimes she beats me from the car to the house door and she opens it for me.........sometimes. It is precisely the mentality of that action which ensures she will always have men opening doors for her. I think you see my point.

I/O

[BC]

BC: Just want to address your "Opening doors" comment. I never fail to open a door or pull out a chair for my wife, but you know what, sometimes she beats me from the car to the house door and she opens it for me.........sometimes. It is precisely the mentality of that action which ensures she will always have men opening doors for her. I think you see my point.

I/O

Yes, think I do see.. along with that stern look she gives every now and then.

You brought on a hearty laugh here... Reading your post mental images flew by with me trying to catch up to my wife while limping along with a cane.. Tit for tat, I guess in a way I need to earn all the brownie points I can now while it's still possible...

[Misha]

How about no rules  at all. 

No rules creates chaos, but there can be no complaints of favoritism (real or perceived).

[Admin]

No rules creates chaos, but there can be no complaints of favoritism (real or perceived).

The "real" part of making that a reality is FAR easier than the "perceived" part. In fact, the "real" part is pretty much operational right now (and has been for quite some time) - but I am willing to bet the "perceived" part ain't. Wanna bet?

- Dan

[Simoni]

Put simply, my wife is of a vastly different calibre to what we have seen here leading up to this recent event.

Same here. 

That's why newbies better be very careful in selecting their mate.

[KenC]

Ken,

Take the term used by Serebro, refer to the definitions I posted recently and assume that the term used was equal to 'laughable'.

Would that be disrespectful?

Speaking several languages inadequately myself, English German, Italian, French and smattering of three or four others I am extremely happy when folks give me the benefit of doubt.

Now I'm not going to chock this all up to communication/language/culture difficulties, but one thing I have learned here is that there is a high road and it is my choice whether to take it or not regardless of what others have done. (thanks Dan!)

My father told me that even as an educator, one must never stop learning.  I enjoy being a sponge rather than a rock hard fossil.

I am not a better man than you Ken, I just see things from a different angle and try to glean the most I can from each and every post I read.

BC,
Two can play that word game.  Guess what word I used describes "a domineering woman?"  Or the other word that is defined as a "silly annoying person?" 
KenC

[BC]

BC,
Two can play that word game. 

Indeed.  But it only takes one to disarm a heated conversation, or choose not to start one in the first place.

[Makkin]

  Your a good man BC...Bravo ! ! !

  Makkin

[Jumper]

I couldn't find any photos on anti-date?

as far as serebro-
i thought she had a lot of insight to offer,and was witty.

 i also thought she played the same games as many seem to here
 ---on both sides----
 of sniping and off hand comments in random threads, when totally unessesary ,
but cry foul if called on it.
(yes it seems both men and women do this here fairly often)

just how wrapped up in your own internet bulleton board drama do you have to be?
a whole lot of people taking thier *forum lives*  way too seriously LOL


but then i guess its all funny to me..
sorry if that offends some..
but seriously folks who gives a flip what someone thinks of you and your opinion on the internet?

This site provides some good information, some laughs,
 and i suppose some drama to those who seem to enjoy it.

take it
for what its worth,

 and for heavens sakes, its the NET,,just sign off before getting personal..
sometimes hard to do? perhaps, but if so,then time to ask yourself
*why*?
and certainly not a time to respond to whomever irked you..
as you most likely have far better things to do.


Dan
i have a lot of empathy for the *monkey tamer* here .
good job and good luck!



where's my bananas?
 

[Ronnie]

I read the exchange between Serebro and Dan.  It was clear she lost it.  I have seen this self-destructive behavior in people before, mostly, but not always women and mostly, but not always, slavic women.  These people lose all ability to back down if backing down means losing face.  JC mentioned humiliation.  It seems that's the operative word and the more operative word is pride.. vain pride specifically.

It's been observed by nearly every man on this board that the RW has one of the stongest aversions to accepting blame or owning up to an error.  It's been offered that their culture has made them that way.. maybe so, but why are there so many exceptions (not that exceptions are plentiful, but they do exist, I'm told).

As to someone's comment about the care with which a newbie must navigate the minefield of RWs, that, after all, is the RWD's Raison d'être .  There are some RW who come here and demonstrate the venality and coarseness that would make any marriage to their ilk a nightmare.  Others represent the ultimate in femininity, beauty and brains.  What is apparent is the wide range in between them...a range not seen so much in WW.

[Ronnie]

I didn't read Serebro's comments about WW2 and how so many soviet citizens died due to Western inaction, so forgive me if I throw in my two cents.
One need only look at the timeline of events:

Aug 23, 1939.. Nazis and Soviets sign the so-called Non-Aggression Pact.  A pact that was contained secret parts but about which the west became quickly aware.  Basically, the purpose of the pact was to divide up parts Eastern Europe, particularly splitting up Poland and the Baltic states and giving Bessarabia (Moldova) to the Soviet Union.

Britain and Poland signed mutual assistance treaty on August 23rd.

In September, Poland was invaded - first Germany from the west then USSR from the east.  By the end of September, the two aggressors were dividing their Polish spoils per their agreement. 

Over the next year, Germany attacked Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Holland, Belgium and France while USSR attacked Finland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.  By the summer of 1940, the Vermach had pushed British soldiers off the continent at Dunkirk.

While the west was taking a beating Stalin sat on his hands under the guise of the non-agression pact.  Russian historians are now writing that Stalin was gathering offensive forces in Belarus, preparing to double-cross the Germans and take Warsaw and from there, the rest of Europe.  Hitler beat Stalin to the punch and launched operation Barbarossa in June of 1941.  Less than six months later, the Germans had driven all the way to Sevastopol, had Leningrad under siege and knocking on Moscow's door.  The Germans had already abandoned the Moscow campaign before declaring war on the United States.

How can anyone argue that the west delayed taking on the Germans  while soviet civilians were dying in the east?  This smacks of domestic propaganda, of the sort Putin is orchestrating in his effort to divide the west from his people lest they demand western style democratic reforms. 

It seems to be having an effect on Russians who feel the western world is against them.  I recall Muckrakers comment about his Aeroflot flight being delayed on the tarmac at JFK and the Russians protesting on board that the delay was only because they were a Russian flight.  How silly! How pathetic!  How effective the regime's propaganda machine!

[BC]

How can anyone argue that the west delayed taking on the Germans  while soviet civilians were dying in the east?  This smacks of domestic propaganda, of the sort Putin is orchestrating in his effort to divide the west from his people lest they demand western style democratic reforms.

http://www.worldwariihistory.info/in/USA.html

Can be debated to death, but if one accepts that WWII started 1 Sept 1939 with the invasion of Poland and ended 1945 and that the US declared war on 8 December 1941 there must have been some reason for the delay.

In your post:

Hitler beat Stalin to the punch and launched operation Barbarossa in June of 1941.  Less than six months later, the Germans had driven all the way to Sevastopol, had Leningrad under siege and knocking on Moscow's door.

I would assume by December 1941, besides Perl Harbor, the US was surely interested in developments in the eastern front.  After all they did at that point declare war against Japan AND Germany instead of just Japan on Dec 8th 1941, a day after Perl Harbor.

Of course we may never know the true thoughts of those in charge at the time, but I can pretty much figure out how I would be thinking..

I get the feeling that the US did not want to be directly involved in WWII, but that the events and possible after-effects seen at the time did not give any other possibility but to declare war.

I assume many civilians by that time had lost their lives.

 

[tim 360]

BC,  In '39 and '40 most people in the US did not want us to get involved in another European war.  WWI was just 20 some years earlier.  Many wanted isolation and neutrality from another Euro War.  Roosevelt tried to help Britain but he was not going to sway congress into another war and he knew it.  And of course some people supported the Nazi's and some the British and French. 

He just did not have the trigger to involve the USA in another war until...Pearl Harbor.  That event galvanized public opinion.  Americans waking up that Sunday morning were in utter shock with the news from Pearl Harbor.  From accounts I've seen and read it was a sad day in America.  Radios across the US kept people riveted to the incoming news. Roosevelt gave his famous speech and within hours men and boys began signing up for military service.

Cynics would say it was a "rally 'round the flag" response.  Others might say it was a defining moment for America.