My names Alex and I'm quitting AW

[groovlstk]

What AW want and what you want in this case can't be compared.
Come on, you know what we are talking of

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I will say this:
-My wife is exponentially more demanding on me than any American woman I knew or know (And I don't mean in financial terms). I am certainly more demanding of her than women in my past, but it seems to me that's a facet of lifelong commitment
-Not all men looking for wives in Russia want submissive, obedient women. In fact, those who DO seek these specific qualities are bound to be disappointed, as I have never met a meek, obedient Russian woman.

I agree with you that men who have no success with American women and then look to Russia or Ukraine for salvation are in for a rude shock. In my experience, guys who are most bitter and angry about American women should look in a mirror for the reasons for their failure.

[groovlstk]

Guys there is a HUGE difference between what she thinks and what she tells her husband. She doen't lie to him- she hides 90% of her thoughts.
When her husband is home she is an angel "yes, honey, sure ,honey". He is out-  " Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!"

I've noticed this also among my wife's friends. But just as many are married to Russian men living in the US as American men; fools together, I supposed

[BC]

So seriously is there more chemistry in Russia or Ukraine?
I've been watching AW for more than 6 years- they seem ok

I believe the effect is called 'Disassortative sexual selection'..

There are however, many desperate men looking for women who have flat heads - in any country.

[Doll]

I've noticed this also among my wife's friends. But just as many are married to Russian men living in the US as American men; fools together, I supposed

Yes they are 
Just kidding

[Doll]

I believe the effect is called 'Disassortative sexual selection'..

What is this?

[BC]

What is this?

Disassortative sexual selection is a form of sexual selection in which one sex chooses the other, in such a way that the offspring benefits from the diversity of the parental genotypes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disassortative_sexual_selection

In other words, bringing the best of two different (genetic) worlds together in order to produce better children.

As with cars, men do seem to prefer the exotic, usually not settling for the same model in his neighbors driveway.

[mspanky]

All right- RW are different but it is more of a flexability.
Immigration makes you do what you would never do in a normal situation.
The latest example- I am watching a woman who came here a month ago.
Guys there is a HUGE difference between what she thinks and what she tells her husband. She doen't lie to him- she hides 90% of her thoughts.
When her husband is home she is an angel "yes, honey, sure ,honey". He is out-  " Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!"

  Can you tell us what this woman is doing that is so different than back home?

[Doll]

What do you mean? For living?

[turniptruck]

Ah, you're right- submissive is not quite the word.
When somebody wants to be bossy- the other needs to yield.
The strong desire to yield is the term. May be not so strong but we need to be this way the first 2-3 years.

Zesty, i'll bite  

Is this being 'clever' ?  Did you see what I just did there?

If we are products of both our biology and our environment, then it follows that Russian Women are different from their sisters in the west.  I too would like to find out the differences between AW and FSUW.  So far, to paraphrase 'when you trail a $100 through the trailer park' comes to mind.  My impression based on posters is that FSUW are cut throat man eaters, present company excepted of course

How do you define 'yield' and 'strength' in a relationship?  Is a woman 'strong' when she bludgeons her man to do things for her?  Or is a woman 'strong' who merely has to hint at what she wants and gets her way?  Is being 'bossy' 'winning'?  Is that the measure of a 'successful' marriage from a FSUW point of view?

How did you get your definition that traditional = submissive?  How is this correct?

[Doll]

Who  are you talking to?

[turniptruck]

But you of course   Come now, don't play coy.  You were so aggressive before.  Come out to play

[Doll]

How did you get your definition that traditional = submissive?

It is not my definition, it is AM's definition

[ScottinCrimea]

Well I'm an AM and it's not my definition.  Which specific AM are you talking about?

[2tallbill]

If this is the problem then I am not sure RW or UW are much different from AW.
It might be Alex's personal problem.
Women are women all over the world.

Where Doll and I agree.........
I kinda thought that was a funny problem as well, chemistry running out of course it happens and RW, UW and AW are not immune to this. The reason I didn't zoom in on the problem like you did was because it's in Alaska. I did think that this statement was unusual and expected Para to respond at least once to some of the advice given here.

Alaska is a quite different place to try to find women. I spent two summers in Alaska in my early twenties and did not have a single solitary date or even the prospect of one. 

Where Doll and I disagree................. everything single other word that she posted.

RW = Traditional
Traditional = submissive?
RW= submissive? No freaking way

I have never met a submissive Russian Woman. I am sure there is one out there somewhere but I didn't run across this mythical RW in my travels. I think that the submissive RW is the figment of imagination of the liberal media who don't want AM
going to the FSU to find their non politically correct, non liberal, other half.

If not for your first post in this thread I would have called you a troll (I don't do this often). However your first point was a good one.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

[Doll]

Guys I 've never say the word "traditional" I hate to use it after I've read it on every Russian dating site.
Traditional, beautiful, wanting older men, not demanding, ready to please. I am sick of it.
I NEVER use the word  "traditional"

[Doll]

If not for your first post in this thread I would have called you a troll (I don't do this often). However your first point was a good one.

Oh, yeah? What makes me  a troll?
Come on,guys, I am a Russian woman and you are telling me stories! I was born in Russia and lived there for a long time. What new can you tell me?
I also worked at some dating agency and know the other side of this coin.
So still not clear why Alex is for RW or UW .

[catzenmouse]

Isn't it time to stop nitpicking words from someone who is not a native English speaker?

[Doll]

Haha- troll! I lived among them (RW), I have met hundreds RW and UW married to AM here. I know them, I know the reasons they are here.
Can't say nothing about chemistry- I am interested in men  

[Doll]

catzenmouse , it is not that of a language thing- it is about the notion.
BTW what is "a traditional wife" in your understanding? Considering living in immigration ? Or not considering?
"I am quitting  AW and looking for a traditional wife which means..."
What?

[Admin]

catzenmouse , it is not that of a language thing- it is about the notion.
BTW what is "a traditional wife" in your understanding? Considering living in immigration ? Or not considering?
"I am quitting  AW and looking for a traditional wife which means..."
What?

THAT is a question only the OP can answer with authority - and he has not stopped back in to address any of the posts.

- Dan

[2tallbill]

Haha- troll! I lived among them (RW), I have met hundreds RW and UW married to AM here. I know them, I know the reasons they are here.
Can't say nothing about chemistry- I am interested in men 

The reason I didn't call you a troll was because of your first post in this thread, you saw a serious fallacy of reasoning.

The reason I was tempted (but did not actually do it) to call you a troll was because of your definition of a traditional woman matched that of the AW feminists. I don't know anyone who reads this forum who thinks that RW are submissive. You definitely are not submissive.


Bill

[Ronnie]

It is interesting that the OP has not returned his thread! 

I think the notion that he didn't find chemistry with the AWs he has dated so far and that therefore he's through with them is a little misconceived.  But if he wants to seek out a RW while in Alaska, far from most AW and relatively closed to Russian, then he probably will be better for having done it.  If nothing else, he will return to the lower 48 with a better appreciation for AW!

[I/O]

I was born in Russia and lived there for a long time. What new can you tell me?

Surfice to say..........Russia is a very big place.

On the other subject of taditional or submissive as you imply, you may be correct and I have some first hand evidence to suggest you are in so far as there is number of guys from the west who imagine they can go to Russia and find a "Dishwasher" with "legs". Poor stupid bastards like that exist but your generalising implication that most if not all are of this kind is infinantly more offensive than a 45Y/O man openly being a virgin seeker. I suggest you read around a few threads here and you'll see the majority of guys who have some experience, yes even those of us married to younger women shout very loudly, almost louder than a Russian woman can (If that's possible), that Russian Women are not "pushovers" and the new guys should forget the agency hype.

As for the Russian Women who are living in the West, sitting around complaining about their husbands whilst smiling to his face, well frankly, I would ask the question, who is the worst of the two? Husband or wife? I've long been an advocate of guys taking a long look in the mirror when things go wrong, in this case I'd suggest the women should do likewise. There is a shared responsibility in this whole process, even to the extent that nobody pointed a gun at these girls heads and said you must immigrate and marry this guy. He chose, she chose...........make the best of it or cut loose.   

I/O

[Doll]

 So what? The ones who are married know what they got, the ones who are still seeking have many stereotypes about all these things that agencies "sell"- beauty, traditionalism, being content with little.
 Again- FORGET the word TRADITIONAL! I never use it! It is a very loaded notion and I asked pages  :)ago to explain it to me.

As for the Russian Women who are living in the West, sitting around complaining about their husbands whilst smiling to his face, well frankly, I would ask the question, who is the worst of the two?

Both missed the target

The reason I was tempted (but did not actually do it) to call you a troll was because of your definition of a traditional woman matched that of the AW feminists.

  Honey, I 've been here for more than 6 years and it is about time for me to accept AW feminists' things. Just kidding but they are not all wrong.
I understand why men would hate what they say but the feminists are quite reasonable.

Surfice to say..........Russia is a very big place.

The size of the country has nothing to do with mentality.
 

But if he wants to seek out a RW while in Alaska, far from most AW and relatively closed to Russian,

   
  Canada is much closer and easier to reach.
 

[turniptruck]

Guys I 've never say the word "traditional" I hate to use it after I've read it on every Russian dating site.
Traditional, beautiful, wanting older men, not demanding, ready to please. I am sick of it.
I NEVER use the word  "traditional"

Hrm, those are all...Great qualities!  Why do you not like them?  It's shocking that people are attracted to good looking, friendly people who look after their spouses!  Get around some of the bravado you see, and I would be surprised if you found men who are more eager to please their wives than the married men on this board...  Meh, I am not sure you would find many men anywhere in the world who would not value those characteristics.

Why are you 'sick of it'?  Is it because you don't think those are valuable qualities?  FSUW fall far short of meeting those qualities?  Men are inconsistent in the application of those desires?