Walking in St. Petersburg

[Jack]

Those are some good and valid points jb. And I try to bring some of these up with guys who fall in love so quickly or with the first Russian woman they met or the Russian woman who will be having sex with them one hour after meeting for the first time.
 
The truth is most men could never get the type of wife as far as beauty, fitness, class and culture in America as he can get in Russia. So when the average Joe meets his first Russian women she is many times probably the most beautiful woman he has ever been with and that ole so sexy Russian accent. Many average Joe's think this is the best it can get, how lucky he was to find such a woman and because their is probably not another one like her, because he was so lucky, he better take this one before she changes her mind. The truth of the matter is there are hundreds of thousands more women just like her but most guys want to rush this, take this one when in reality he should take his time, get to know this woman and other Russian women and make an educated choice about the Russian woman you want to marry.

[BC]

Jack,

Good post. Compliments.

What percentage of guys you have helped really had the time and resources to do it as you describe in your post vs the rush job?

and no.. not leading to a follow-up question.. really just looking for a good honest estimate.

[Jack]

BC, about two-thirds of my guys are taking there time, not rushing, meeting several ladies on several trips. But you always have those one week wonders or guys who meet two ladies and picks between the two. It's dis-hearting to see. No matter how much you tell them they are messing up, they know better.

[Elen]

BC, about two-thirds of my guys are taking there time, not rushing, meeting several ladies on several trips

 And how "several" it could be after what your guys would start to be called well-known "tourists"?

Just a question?

[wxman]

BC, about two-thirds of my guys are taking there time, not rushing, meeting several ladies on several trips

 And how "several" it could be after what your guys would start to be called well-known "tourists"?

Just a question?
[/quote]The minute they get off the plane they are "tourists", but how "several" does it take to become "sex" tourist?

[jb]

Jack wrote:

The truth is most men could never get the type of wife as far as beauty, fitness, class and culture in America as he can get in Russia. So when the average Joe meets his first Russian women she is many times probably the most beautiful woman he has ever been with and that ole so sexy Russian accent. Many average Joe's think this is the best it can get, how lucky he was to find such a woman and because their is probably not another one like her, because he was so lucky, he better take this one before she changes her mind. The truth of the matter is there are hundreds of thousands more women just like her but most guys want to rush this, take this one when in reality he should take his time, get to know this woman and other Russian women and make an educated choice about the Russian woman you want to marry.

This is a hugely insightful post, I congratulate you on understanding the problems so well.

[Photo Guy]

Jack posts photos of beautiful RW. It's natural for a man to want a woman like these. I don't think it's some kind of misrepresentation on Jack's part.

Two nights ago, I had to transport a bus load of ASU students to four bars, bar-hopping. There was beer everywhere. ...And some puke.
It was not pretty. However, there was a 1980's costume theme. The women were dressed like Madonna. Short skirts, high heels. These 21 year olds looked their age - very beautiful.

At the end of the night, I took them home at 2:30am. I found it interesting that after all the fun drinking, at least 25% of the women were leaving the bars alone, without a guy. And 75% of those women were gorgeous. Something was wrong with that picture.

I think part of the problem is the guys. They're immature and treat women only as sex objects. Yes they ARE sex objects, but that's just ONE facet of who they are. These guys do not respect them and there's a feedback loop that results in the girls not respecting the guys either. I could be wrong, but I almost get the feeling 'pornography' has become a mainstream state of mind. Women are referred to as 'bitches and whores'. It is said as a joke but there's an underlying truth to it.

Maybe it's the same in Russia, but maybe not. I was at the local mall the other day. I saw many beautiful young women. They are there, but I get a sense of a disconnect between men and women.
There's a pervasive cynicism.

[Michelangelo]

My point, Michael, is that you can't sit in a cafe for an hour and photograph any given pretty girl walking down the street and assume she's available through a MOB agency.

That's just plain ludicrous.

I understand that point,  JB.  My reaction was to the part of your comment that implied that the agencies did not have girls that looked this good. They do...you will find girls just like this at the agency and they are available.

Maybe I will post some pictuers of the girls I had agency dates with....they were just as beautiful as the girls on the street...maybe more so.

And yes, you can meet girls on the streets or at the disco.  Just dress like an American and they will come to you.  But then again, I'd rather be the one choosing

[ConnerVT]

It takes a very special mentality to uproot your life and head out into the unknown. The American pioneers did it, but they were a very special breed. God doesn't make many like that anymore. That's one reason I caution men to examine the motives of FSU women who are so willing to "fall in love" so quickly, and leave their friends and families. I have to ask; "what are they running from so far and so fast"? Many of these women have something in their past they want to leave behind. A lot of times it may be an abusive ex-husband, or a bad family life, being sick of ultra-crowded living conditions, and in the extreme, it may be a life of prostitution. There's always a reason,,, guys need to get it figured out before they pull the trigger.

An excellent point, jb.  When I was corresponding and meeting, this was a topic that I would bring up early in conversation.  Not the "What are your demons?" aspect, but what traits did the woman feel she has that made her feel she would be willing and successful to do such a thing.  To uproot and move, leaving all she knew before behind.  I agree whole heartedly it takes a special person to do this.

The responses I received were diverse.  Some seemed a bit shocked, as they probably hadn't thought about it in those terms.  Others tried to dismiss it as unimportant, or tried to avoid the conversation completely.  These were women who were unprepared or unwilling to "uproot their life, and head into the unknown."

My wife's calm manner and her self confidence was what sold me.  Interestingly, she also had the most to leave of all that I had met -- good job, own home, and loving family.  But she's always marched to a different drummer.  If there is always a reason, my guess would be life in America would give her an interesting life, a chance to travel, and more stability as a family to raise our son.  I give her credit -- she took a big gamble.  I do my best to reassure her she put her money on the right horse. 

[jb]

Michael wrote:

My reaction was to the part of your comment that implied that the agencies did not have girls that looked this good. They do...you will find girls just like this at the agency and they are available.

Once again, the emphasis is on girls who "look this good".

I guess that's the problem I have with all of this because it implies a trophy hunt.  If all you want is good looks and you have the wherewithall to afford a trophy, you don't need to go to the FSU.  Conner VT's post gets things more into perspective as it speaks to the qualities beyond good looks that make a great companion and wife.  His post lists several things his wife brought to the marriage table that are far more valuable than physical beauty, although I'm sure she "looks this good".  Especially interesting is the things that she left behind to make the move into the unknown.  

Conner and I go a ways back, IMHO he is the poster child for the topic of how to do this thing right.  

[ConnerVT]

IMHO he is the poster child for the topic of how to do this thing right.

 
Thanks, but it's not all my doing.  Having a good woman at your side to help you can make any man look like he knows what he's doing... :cool:

(and FYI -- college is back in session, meaning the streets are full of undergraduate coeds.  I agree you can find young women of equal beauty on either continent.  The differences between North America and FSU fall in two areas -- age and attitude.  In the West, it seems as girls get older, they decide to either hide or waste their natural beauty.  Cover it up or fatten it up -- as it is improper or immoral to be feminine and attractive.  Why this is I haven't a clue.  I'll leave that discussion to the Psycho-babble fools.)

[Jet]

Meet or get are two completely different animals and each is highly dependent on the man trying to do the meeting or getting.

[Jack]

Jet, I really do not have time to reply to ANY idiotic question, but considering the source of this request, ok, one reply........... I know of six men who married ladies that they met unexpectedly. I suspect their are probably more. I think that there have been many more meetings that have resulted in meaningful relationships that did not end up in marriage.
 
Now Jet I want to address some very misleading information that I think you are trying to portray. I believe you are claming that of the photos posted on this thread "Walking in St. Petersburg"  that 42.5% of all the photos show a fat, ugly lady in the background.
Jet, there are 41 different post's of ladies in this thread. 7 of those photos have the type women you are claming, and I'm really giving you the benefit of the doubt with two of those but we'll say 7 so you don't look a bigger fool that you are. 17.7% of these photos show the type women you are referring to.
 
Just more Jet BS?  Big difference between 42.5% and 17.7% unless one has an underlying hidden agenda he is trying to portray. You can continue this type of you misleading information on other Russian discussion boards where you contribute Jet, but don't try it here. Your BS just won't hold up here Jet. You notice everyday more and more people contributing to this site?  New guys wanting to know more about the pursuit for a Russian bride are learning that this site has a LOT of good and knowledgeable contributors.
 
Regarding your opinion as to beautiful women, I have often said all men are different. Many guys are going to find a lot of these ladies very attractive. Of the many beautiful ladies portrayed in the photos in this thread, 53% of them wouldn't make your cut. Well, if you think 42.5% of these women portrayed are fat and ugly I think your opinions of good looking ladies speaks for itself!

[Michelangelo]

My reaction was to the part of your comment that implied that the agencies did not have girls that looked this good. They do...you will find girls just like this at the agency and they are available.

Once again, the emphasis is on girls who "look this good".

I guess that's the problem I have with all of this because it implies a trophy hunt. If all you want is good looks and you have the wherewithall to afford a trophy, you don't need to go to the FSU. Conner VT's post gets things more into perspective as it speaks to the qualities beyond good looks that make a great companion and wife. His post lists several things his wife brought to the marriage table that are far more valuable than physical beauty, although I'm sure she "looks this good". Especially interesting is the things that she left behind to make the move into the unknown.

Conner and I go a ways back, IMHO he is the poster child for the topic of how to do this thing right.

[/quote]
My point was that agencies do have good looking girls, like the ones on the street.  I said so because you said something to the effect that the pics Jack posted were atypical and you would not find these girls in an agency.  Yes, you will. 

Trophy hunt?  Well, I do want an attractive girl.  But I passed on five beautiful girls at the agency because I want more than looks...

[jb]

But I passed on five beautiful girls at the agency because I want more than looks...

Good for you, at least I now know you are not entirely focused on physical beauty, that you might actually have loftier goals in mind.

[Michelangelo]

Wow, Jet....I don't know what part of the FSU you are experienced with...but I have made 7 trips there and everytime I see amazing women on the street...a fat ugly woman would be the exception, and not the mode.  Certainly not 42 per cent...I did look at all of the photos and I did not find any percentage like you see...beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I think we can agree on what fat is, and I don't see it.  But forget the pics here--my experience is that FSU girls are slim, in shape, and dress up when they go out...

[Michelangelo]

But I passed on five beautiful girls at the agency because I want more than looks...

Good for you, at least I now know you are not entirely focused on physical beauty, that you might actually have loftier goals in mind.[/quote]Sarcasim aside, let us all agree that beauty is a liability unless it comes with a kind, caring personality and a good brain...

[Turboguy]

I would never say anything negative about the beauty of FSU women but to be honest the crop of 18-24 year old beauties I saw at my trade show in Dallas were probably more attractive than I could see anywhere including the FSU.   Of course they were generally being accompanied by 20-28 year old nice looking guys with 6 pack abs. 

[jb]

T/G,

You will see the same level of beauty in Houston, herds of 'em.  And if you think that's something, you ought to visit Austin and cruise the University of Texas campus some day around the noon hour.

The bigger cities, Dallas and Houston, always attract young men and women because that's where the jobs are.  Dallas has been known as a haven for good looking women, and not just the 18-24 y.o.'s, there's lots of mid 30's and up who still look great.  The problem, of course, is they are all happily married, and about to celebrate their 20+ year wedding anniversary.

The point of all this is that there are beautiful women right here at home, if you know where to look.  However, if you are middle aged and want one that "looks like that", you have to travel to a place where the desperation factor kicks in, and a younger woman is willing to trade her youth and good looks for a better life style.  I guess as long as you are aware that you are being used, then you should have a nice life for 3-5 years until she out grows you.  Personally, I would not be comfortable with that arrangement, but that's just me.

I don't have a problem with you bringing a girl 34 years younger than yourself (younger even than some of your own  children), into the country for marriage, but I still think you need to be advised about the risk you are taking.  The only glue that binds that kind of relationship together is money. Hugh Hefner can pull it off, maybe TigerPaws as well, but unless you are obscenely rich, I'd predict trouble somewhere in your future.

BTW, I've visited with some of my lawyer friends and they all agree with what Boston Bubba stated about pre-nups.  There isn't a single pre-nup they couldn't break.  No matter how well you try to protect yourself, no matter how iron clad your lawyer tells you it is, any lawyer worth his salt can break any pre-nup agreement.  There is always some comma missing, some "i" not dotted, some "t" not crossed, some little white lie told, and a good lawyer will find it. And,,, the more money you have, the deeper they will dig.

It's your life and your money, I can't tell you how to spend it, but I can tell you that you are playing with fire.  Good luck, you are going to need it.

[jb]

Jack wrote:

I know of six men who married ladies that they met unexpectedly. I suspect their (there) are probably more.

Now you know seven or eight, I'm one more, and I know BC met his wife while not visiting a marriage agency.  It does happen, but I tend to think it's rare.

Jack, I don't want you thinking I don't like the pictures you posted, I like looking at pretty woman as much as the next guy.  However as I look at them, truthfully, these woman are not all that spectacular, I understand Jet's ambivalence.  Many of them look like ladies of the evening, dressed like cheap hookers,,, even worse, like East Texas trailer trash. I can take you to a half a dozen joints out around Tyler and Longview and introduce you to lots of girls who look just like that.  For the price of a baggie of pot, they will be your girl 'til morning comes.

There was not a great deal of class on display here.  

[Son of Clyde]

I have no further comments except to inquire if it is ok for me to still look?

Damn Jack, those women are gorgeous.

It is style, dress and manners that make them classier than AW. It is stubbornness that makes it such a challenge to have a lasting relationship with them.

[Jack]

......There was not a great deal of class on display here. ......
 
jb, to each their own. What you see as trash another man see's as treasure. What you see as treasure, another man see's as trash.

[Son of Clyde]

JB, I think you are a pessimist thinking from the other side of the tracks.

You met your wife in a more traditional way and not through an agency.

I think you are totally against agencies but may not state this outright.

Am I close?

 

[Son of Clyde]

I think this lady is the most attractive.

 

 http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/attachment.php?id=370

[jb]

No, Clyde, I just think most of your taste is in your mouth. I seem to recall Barney17 was in love with a couple of 18 y.o. video chat whores.  A man like that wouldn't recognize a class act if it hit him up alongside the head.

I sincerely hope your standards have improved.