Risky Business

[KenC]

I believe there are multiple issues hidden in the word risk.

If the word risk is used as a catch all then people can just pick and choose what they want to use to satisfy there point. How both sides of one choice can be a risk. The risk of not being a rich is much higher if you work for some one else. The risk of loosing all your money is higher if you work for yourself. Both sides have the term risk, so to try have a generic discussion of "Is searching in the FSU a risky business" is a completely nonsensical argument because WHAT is being risked is not defined.

You are incorect as I said before:
The "risks" are pretty well defined within the list itself in the OP.  Those that are not defined specifically are rather obvious.  If you are still having difficulty, just ask and I am sure someone can help you figure it out.

I think the true question of risk should just be risk of achieving your goal vs risk of failing  as compared to the same risk in your country of residence.

A *risk* of achieving your goal?  How is that a risk?  That makes no sense to me.

I.E. will you have a better chance in the FSU than at home. This is the real risk, all other are moot.

  I disagree with your assessment here and have listed over 20 different risks involved with finding and marrying a woman from the fsu.  You also do not define what the "risk" is here clearly.  "Having a better chance in the fsu" is not a risk.  Please clarify.

For me that answerer is very simple the risk of not finding what I wanted in the USA is drastically higher in the USA than in the FSU.  That risk assessment is very different depending on each persons goals.

  The answer(er) to what?  I think you are confused about the meaning of the word "risk."
Main Entry: 1risk
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'risk
Etymology: French risque, from Italian risco
1 : possibility of loss or injury : PERIL
2 : someone or something that creates or suggests a hazard
3 a : the chance of loss or the perils to the subject matter of an insurance contract ; also : the degree of probability of such loss b : a person or thing that is a specified hazard to an insurer <a poor risk for insurance> c : an insurance hazard from a specified cause or source <war risk>

You define your "risk" here as "not finding what you are looking for."  How can you have a loss for something you never had?
KenC

[topofthekey]

false DV charge filed

I'm guessing DV stands for domestic violence. Please elaborate more on this for me. I get everything else, but I'd like to know more about this.

If there isn't domestic violence in the situation why would it be filed? just out of spite if the relationship doesn't work out or if you end up with someone else?

[msmoby_ru]

false DV charge filed

I'm guessing DV stands for domestic violence. Please elaborate more on this for me. I get everything else, but I'd like to know more about this.

If there isn't domestic violence in the situation why would it be filed? just out of spite if the relationship doesn't work out or if you end up with someone else?

You got it....

[KenC]

false DV charge filed

I'm guessing DV stands for domestic violence. Please elaborate more on this for me. I get everything else, but I'd like to know more about this.

If there isn't domestic violence in the situation why would it be filed? just out of spite if the relationship doesn't work out or if you end up with someone else?

Top,
Filing a DV charge is a speed pass to a green card whether valid or not.  The motivation is an automatic green card and not usually spite.
KenC

[msmoby_ru]

Top,
Filing a DV charge is a speed pass to a green card whether valid or not.  The motivation is an automatic green card and not usually spite.
KenC

Ooops Sorry Ken, I forgot we're talking about FSU Women here.. not ex-wives ...

[topofthekey]

Ooops Sorry Ken, I forgot we're talking about FSU Women here.. not ex-wives ...

i wasn't sure if he was just talking about DV in the USA or if you are in the FSU long enough could it happen there. you decide it wont work out- she knows where your apartment is- bam, reports you for DV.

i read an article about fake DV claims- if you are being used for a green card. isn't that a loophole so she can move on faster?

[msmoby_ru]

i wasn't sure if he was just talking about DV in the USA or if you are in the FSU long enough could it happen there. you decide it wont work out- she knows where your apartment is- bam, reports you for DV.

i read an article about fake DV claims- if you are being used for a green card. isn't that a loophole so she can move on faster?

This is what Ken is saying - he refers to a FSU woman in the USA. In most western countries there are strong laws to protect women and by inference ) children from DV... the protectionist aspect of these cases - whilst under investigation - put the accused in a situation where he ( or she) seem like they have been found guilty...

I'm not sure it would move a GC card application on faster - but it could remove the AM from the equation , whilst acheiving the GC status ultimately...

[topofthekey]

Makes sense. So the girls looking for a ticket to the USA probably know this and use it to their advantage. All the more reason while it seems smart to make several trips and make sure she is really into you.

[Jet]

You've got it now top 
There is a special petition they can file (I-360). All they have to do is *claim* DV, no particular proof is required, and the husband will never be consulted, or have any opportunity to defend himself against the charges. There are all too many womens' shelters that are more than happy to assist in filling out the forms and making sure they get filed properly as well, without much regard for whether the immigrant woman is actually telling the truth or not...

[KenC]

This is what Ken is saying - he refers to a FSU woman in the USA. In most western countries there are strong laws to protect women and by inference ) children from DV... the protectionist aspect of these cases - whilst under investigation - put the accused in a situation where he ( or she) seem like they have been found guilty...

I'm not sure it would move a GC card application on faster - but it could remove the AM from the equation , whilst acheiving the GC status ultimately...

Mark,
Step away from the subjects you need to guess at the answers for.     While it is admirable to try and help others, sometimes it is more prudent to let others answer the question you do not truly know the answers to.

Top,
Filing a false DV charge is a ploy used by some women.  Doing so eliminates the two year waiting period and the green card is issued automatically.  The charges are not verified and accepted without question.

If you would like more information on this, look for threads started by our member here called "Maxx."  He got caught in a DV charge and has since dedicated himself to trying to help others in similar situations.
KenC

[msmoby_ru]

Mark,
Step away from the subjects you need to guess at the answers for.     While it is admirable to try and help others, sometimes it is more prudent to let others answer the question you do not truly know the answers to.

Thank you, Ken .. I bow to you wisdom

[AnastassiaAsh]

Awesome list Ken, newbies should read this one first.

I think that we all can be 'lucky' or 'blessed' or 'do our homework well' but that still doesn't mean all these risks exist. They are out there hanging over our head all the time. It is just possible to avoid them for this reason or the other.

I certainly thought i covered all of the risks, but my late husband's death hit my head and made me think - everything was so beautiful and perfect that Devil absolutely had to interfere here.....How about implementing that kind of risk?

But again if I hadn't done anything, nothing would have happened.

[steviej]

The false DV claim is indeed no laughing matter. Most AMs do not realize that they walk around with an unconstitutional gun pointed to their heads every day, and any woman, for whatever reason, can pull the trigger. She just has to call the DV hotline at the Sherriff's office, say she "feels threatened and unsafe" and claim there's been previous DV against her, but she was afraid to report it at the time, or didn't know how, etc. (that's why there are no bruises, etc.). You are immediately guilty, not innocent until proven guilty. You may never be able to exonorate your name. The police will arrive at your door, you will have 20 minutes to get any basic things you need, you may be arrested and sent to jail, and if not, you'll be pointed down the road in your car, with a court order not to do near your house or your wife. This can last for a year. This happened to a friend of mine (married to an AW), and it just about wrecked his life.

But, this is no different in risk between any AW or FSUW except for one thing. There is an added motivation, a potentially BIG one, for a disgruntled FSU fiance or bride (or worse, someone calculating this all along). We have a feminist industry that has made it possible for these women to get on the fast-track for a green card for no other reason than being "the abused fiance or spouse of a US citizen". You cannot refute this nor do you have any say in it what so ever, once this process has started.

So, what's the moral of this story? You must REALLY know your woman well before you contemplate something as serious as marriage. There are some stories (not too many here though) of guys that met a beautiful charming woman, fell in love, came back after one week together and started the fiance visa process, brough her here and ... WHAM !! Now he's in a cheap hotel, tears running down his cheek and a bottle of Jack in his hand, staring at the wall, and wondering, "What the h*ll ... What the h*ll "

[topofthekey]

i was reading about IMBRA as well. I'm completely for equal rights, but these feminists pushing legislation and laws like this are no better than the people that discriminated against them in the past.

point taken.... and after reading this thread I'm in no hurry at all- not that I ever was, but this just drives that home

on a side note- that guy with the bottle of jack should call his realtor and sell the house out from under her. 

[steviej]

i was reading about IMBRA as well. I'm completely for equal rights, but these feminists pushing legislation and laws like this are no better than the people that discriminated against them in the past.

point taken.... and after reading this thread I'm in no hurry at all- not that I ever was, but this just drives that home

on a side note- that guy with the bottle of jack should call his realtor and sell the house out from under her. 

Topof, you've got a good head on your shoulders and a personality .. you'll do fine. The feminists in USA  are every bit as good at their game as the Bolsheviks were. They are awesome in that regard. Back to our guy and his bottle of Jack, he could try to sell the house, but the court would likely order him to pay for alternative living "on the same scale" for the displaced woman. There can be no end to the misery. Mostly this means, you can follow your dick on the way over to the FSU, but don't just follow your dick home and get married You really gotta know the woman you think loves you. Ask yourself this? Are you a man who can truly tell if a woman loves you? Not all men can, apparently. Some can see with their eyes, smell with their dick, but cannot feel with their heart the way they should. .... More Jack anyone ??

You'll do fine.

[AnastassiaAsh]

Well, from an honest woman's perspective who absolutely dearly loves her husband, i would say i am really glad that this kind of law exists. i am really sorry for Jack and think it is absolutely wrong for a woman to take advantage of this law, but what if it really happens, what if it's true and a man is to blame? It seems to me that there are much more cases with horrible men abusing women than vice versa. And i actually feel protected to have this law on my side. Back in Russian all women's lives are ruined because of the lack of that law and its implementation. For that matter my mom's life wouldn't have been horrible and like in 'jail'. If that law existed 30 years ago or even now me and my mom would have totally different lives now, who knows either in Russia or US....
So in my experience i am on the other side, guys. A man is always stronger physically and there is always a possibility or 'risk' for it get out of control against a woman....

[topofthekey]

You really gotta know the woman you think loves you. Ask yourself this? Are you a man who can truly tell if a woman loves you? Not all men can, apparently. Some can see with their eyes, smell with their dick, but cannot feel with their heart the way they should. .... More Jack anyone ??

here in the states sure i can. maybe i'm just flat out too picky, but i've never really thought of these DV situations because i've always balked at the idea of living together. It's not that I have anything against it, but I think it is either I just am a commitment phobe or there are some things going on in the past relationships that kept me from wanting to take the next step.

personally, I'm not the jealous type so when girls/women try to control or are constantly checking up on me it is a major turn off and I think it signals that there will be problems down the road.

i'm not being led around by my johnson now, so at the moment i'm not too worried about it making a bad decision for me- but it is something to keep in mind around a bunch of beautiful women in a foreign land.

[KenC]

Top,
One of the reasons, I didn't want to write this list was that I didn't want to make anyone paranoid.  IMO the risks are greater but so are the REWARDS! :hipdude:  Ask me or ask Steve.  It is a total pain in the ass to go this route, there are more risks involved and it costs like crazy..........but if you find the right woman like Steve and I did, it is worth every inconvenience and then some.
KenC

[topofthekey]

Well, from an honest woman's perspective who absolutely dearly loves her husband, i would say i am really glad that this kind of law exists. i am really sorry for Jack and think it is absolutely wrong for a woman to take advantage of this law, but what if it really happens, what if it's true and a man is to blame? It seems to me that there are much more cases with horrible men abusing women than vice versa. And i actually feel protected to have this law on my side. Back in Russian all women's lives are ruined because of the lack of that law and its implementation. For that matter my mom's life wouldn't have been horrible and like in 'jail'. If that law existed 30 years ago or even now me and my mom would have totally different lives now, who knows either in Russia or US....
So in my experience i am on the other side, guys. A man is always stronger physically and there is always a possibility or 'risk' for it get out of control against a woman....

first i'll admit that i am a newbie at foreign dating, but i'm pretty sure i understand the male's side of this. From reading IMBRA and some of these other laws it presumes the man is guilty before being presumed innocent. that is basically backwards from our justice system here in the USA.

from what i'm reading in this thread there is a loophole were a woman can come to this country on a k1 visa. after staying with the fiance for even as little as a week she can claim abuse and even maybe get fast tracked for a green card.

the fiance is kicked out of his own home with no proof of abuse and it might take up to a year to get his home back- based on the story in this thread.

that loophole can be closed. you can take the alleged victim out of the abusive situation. the police can investigate the claim. if its legit and can be proven in accordance with the legal system then allow her to stay in the country and prosecute the abuser- but don't automatically assume the man is guilty.

my guess is somewhere down the line an american male will appeal IMBRA up the court system and will probably find that it is unconstituational.

[topofthekey]

Top,
One of the reasons, I didn't want to write this list was that I didn't want to make anyone paranoid.  IMO the risks are greater but so are the REWARDS! :hipdude:  Ask me or ask Steve.  It is a total pain in the ass to go this route, there are more risks involved and it costs like crazy..........but if you find the right woman like Steve and I did, it is worth every inconvenience and then some.
KenC

yea, im not paranoid at all. you put together a list of risks- and since you've been there and found a smokin' wife... i figured i'd make sure i understood them all.

[KenC]

Top,
More important than being "smokin hot", I found a woman with great integrity and of high moral character.  She would no more file a false DV than she would cut off her own hand.  On top of all that, the crazy broad loves me!  Go figure?  There are many many great women to be found in the fsu!
KenC

[topofthekey]

Top,
More important than being "smokin hot", I found a woman with great integrity and of high moral character.  She would no more file a false DV than she would cut off her own hand.  On top of all that, the crazy broad loves me!  Go figure?  There are many many great women to be found in the fsu!
KenC

yep, was just paying you a compliment. i focused on the nonaesthetic features i was hoping to find in another thread- intelligence, trustworthiness, and the points you made included.

[KenC]

yep, was just paying you a compliment. i focused on the nonaesthetic features i was hoping to find in another thread- intelligence, trustworthiness, and the points you made included.

And I thank you for it too!
KenC

[steviej]

Well, from an honest woman's perspective who absolutely dearly loves her husband, i would say i am really glad that this kind of law exists. i am really sorry for Jack ..

So, you are sorry for Jack, that's all? That's the point Anastasia. The law is completely unfair because it presumes the guilt of the man simply on the "say so" of the woman. I know you are not familiar with legal principles in US, but one of the long-standing tenets of law is "the presumption the accused is innocent". This is one of the most important legal principles of all time. It means the state, or angry individuals, cannot ruin your life unless the state can prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that you are guilty.

Your feeling is: you do not want a physically abused woman to be trapped with no recourse or help. That's fine. This particular law simply gives woman a license to "shoot to kill" on only her word. It is a monstrosity, and it is manipulated and abused by women constantly now, once they know the game.

There will be challenges to these laws in the Supreme Court soon, fortunately.

[Ooooops]

Not to shift the blame but I would think that cases when women come to US with the plan to file fake DV are pretty rare.   I've read enough of MOB forums and I gotta tell you that most of those DV cases are based on real abuse toward those women.