Risky Business

[Shadow]

MsMoby, perhaps you did not notice that Maxx has been beyond help for a long time. And do not take this wrong, I do not mean it in a negative sense. By his adventures Maxx has understood his own limitations and errors better than anyone can advice him, and he is the only one who will decide on the future.

As far as the debate, do not forget that you have a couple of thousand miles head start. If you would need to discard at least 4 days of a trip because of travel and jet lag, it might influence your strategy. On the other hand, meeting many women is something that you have to be able to do by mindset. One way is not better as another.

[msmoby_ru]

MsMoby, perhaps you did not notice that Maxx has been beyond help for a long time. And do not take this wrong, I do not mean it in a negative sense. By his adventures Maxx has understood his own limitations and errors better than anyone can advice him, and he is the only one who will decide on the future.

Agreed ! - I don't know if he wants needs are advice - I assume he reads it

As far as the debate, do not forget that you have a couple of thousand miles head start. If you would need to discard at least 4 days of a trip because of travel and jet lag, it might influence your strategy. On the other hand, meeting many women is something that you have to be able to do by mindset. One way is not better as another.

No argument here either - and I have to keep saying that I wasn't on a "WOVO ( silly  term anyway) promo" .. I STILL don't think Maxx is a VM guy and disagree with members suggesting possible reasons for failure as him needing to go VM..

Especially, after travelling a long way ( jet lag, etc) I'd prefer to deal with a one woman who understood me a little - and understood my tiredness - rather than having to be ithe interviewer / interviewee every day

Yup- it is down to the character / aims/ intuition of both parties and what is right for them... 

Thanks for your input !

Mark

[Maxx2]

MsMoby, perhaps you did not notice that Maxx has been beyond help for a long time. And do not take this wrong, I do not mean it in a negative sense. By his adventures Maxx has understood his own limitations and errors better than anyone can advice him, and he is the only one who will decide on the future.

That is about it. I know what I would have to face if I went the MOB route again. Actually that is not entirely true. I do not know what was put in government (INS) files about me. So what would happen if I filled a K visa I do not know. Having TSA in a airport remind me a year and a half after my divorce that I was placed in their computers drove home to me that my ex left her mark on my once spotless record.

Five years ago at this time I was going through the worst of it. It was on Sunday the 13th of July 2003 that I told her we were getting a divorce. The following day she upon advice from her Russian friends went to a shelter. After a few days of her being missing I went to  a Russian married couple that we knew. The husband told me that she was advised from a Russian woman living here to go to the shelter and claim that she was abused. That he and his wife drove her to the shelter that Monday morning. He told me "You will not be able to get another Russian woman in Russia again. You should find one here instead." I thought that he knew that she was planning on smearing my name as much as she could and finding a wife by the MOB route would not be possible for me because the INS wouldn't allow it. Lucky for me that later during the restraining order trial the judge did not believe her outrageous more serious claims and that it didn't escalate to having a felony criminal trial ordered on me. My ex would have had me put in prison for 20 years if it meant securing herself a green card. This was a nightmare. So what happened to me? I had a good old fashioned nervous breakdown for several months followed by a few more years of PTSD. I am fine now but all these other issues in regard to my record of having a restraining order on me for "pushing and shoving" (It never happened) and an I-360 abuse petition filed on me I just do not know what would happen. It would be pretty awful for me to go to Russia and find the right woman and be in love with each other and then have her denied a visa. Of course I could check with a lawyer on this but frankly I am not real excited about going through the process again. I am just learning to enjoy the single life the best I can.

Maxx 

 

[Shadow]

Maxx, my wife would respond on this that the Russian system is not so bad, even  if it may be odd to us at first.
It is a shame that you run the risk of being disallowed being together with a loved one by some stupid law. No matter how good the intentions of the lawmakers were.
While working on a multiplayer project I sometimes get the feeling lawmakers should do some 'betatesting' of a law before applying it.
By this I mean that they should put it to test as to how a law would feel like injustice good citizens, and how easy those who want to ccan find methods to use it for different reasons as intended.

[Misha]

My ex would have had me put in prison for 20 years if it meant securing herself a green card. This was a nightmare.

For this reason, I am glad that I live in Canada with our immigration system. My wife has her permanent residence status, and if she wanted to leave me, she could do it this morning and not have to worry about losing her immigration status. I would have to pay given that I signed a sponsorship contract with the government, but she would not have an incentive to claim spousal abuse.

[Gator]

Maxx,

I knew it was bad for you for a while, but I never thought the equivalent of PTSD.  

Your knowledge about RW from participating in these forums would do you well if you ever tried again.   I remember how Donna Pedro really thought you would make a great husband and that you should try again.   There must be some ways to deal with with IMBRA effectively.

Perhaps a trip someday just to look over the land and to exorcise your final demons?  Considering your business, you must be awash with some extra jingle in your pocket.

[Gator]

Mark msmoby,

Sit down please so when you faint from what I am about to say you will not hurt yourself -  I do agree with you that Maxx’s personality is that of a WOVO man.

However, when you place that fact in context with the series of at least six factors that were influencing Maxx, WOVO was wrong for Maxx at that time.

Did you miss the part how Maxx upon meeting other RW found them more attractive than his Elvira?  Why?    Elvira, although “beautiful, funny, lively,” was not connecting to Maxx’s soul, yet Maxx could not sense it.  I assert that Maxx would have sensed it by comparison, and Elvira would not have made it. 

Your less than stellar reading comprehension in combination with your dogmatic, argumentative style is blinding you.  I suggest you reread what KenC has to say, because it describes you exactly.

Maxx's story is part of the "risk" in the subject of this thread.  This thread is not about WOVO vs WMVM. 

[KenC]

No Ken, it is very relevant and this is no "weak attempt" to confuse anything.  Your advice is based on what ? Your experience ... and what you read here - you've been married for a long time.. How are you "qualified" to dismiss my input?   How long ago it was in a vastly changed scene is quite relevant..

  The period of time when Ma xx went through this was 5 years ago.  If the date of when this happened was relevant, which it is not, then Ma xx' experience is closer to the time I met my wife than when you met your's.

But this issue is not relevant to any time line and it certainly has nothing to do with the changes in the Russian landscape of foreign marriages.  I believe you are attempting to tie it to such in an effort to try and refute my advice as being out of date.  It has to do with if a man is ready for another perminant relationship so close to when his long term marriage ended.  As Ma xx himself said, he should have stayed home and dated AW for a while in order to get his feet back on the ground.  So the real issue here is not the date of when this all transpired, hell it isn't even really about the pursuit of RW specifically, it is more about the common sense concept that a man (or woman) needs time to heal their wounds from the ending of a long term relationship before they consider another marriage.  Common sense; now there is a term for the ages.  Maybe you should try it sometime.
 

Ken, for the umpteenth time, I interceded when Gator claimed a possible reason for failure was going to meet ONE woman. You and Gator and some others,  seem to think that meeting many women would have been better - I'm saying that is not necessarily true.

Sorry, Mark, but that is a gross understatement.  You mocked and tried to belittle Gator for his opinion.  That is a far cry from suggesting that Gator's opinion was not necessarily true.  Your tone made this thread adversarial, which is typical of your style.

Some guys WANT to write to a few ladies and filter down to one they click with - they don't WANT to meet lot's of ladies within a few days - it is surreal - hard to be objective - we do want Ma xx to succeed .. to be objective, right ?   

How confused are you on this?  We are reviewing history from 5 years ago and you still want to debate WOVO vs WMVM.  What part don't you get?

This is a board for guys to hoping to find or already with FSUW ... some are here to learn, some to offer advic and some can actually do both - Ironically, whilst you are accusing me of being the one with the "closed mind" and muddying the waters, I'm feeling you should look closer to home !

Oh thank you ol master of the forums, I just got here and was confused as to the principal concepts of why we are here.

I have challenged Gator to see the possibility of his assertion being worng for Ma xx and he hasn't .. Gator then perfers to discuss my character rather than  debate... are you doing the same, too ?!   

No, you did no such thing.  You mocked and tried to belittle him as you do with anyone that disagrees with your pov.

We all want to help Ma xx - I don't think Gator was correct in his assertion. Now, your repeatedley suggesting I have a closed mind -whislt I point reasoned assertion for my differing PoV rather suggests I might not be the one with that problem..

This is yet another area where we disagree.  Your attitude here and else where on this forum has shown you are much more interested in ramming your own pov down everyone's throat rather than trying to help anyone.  Not everyone agrees with your pov!  Try and open that little mind of your's to the concept that some others may have valid reasons for a different pov.
 

Now I could understand folk getting upset if my PoV was demonstrably wrong - but reading Mexico's coherent posts I reckon he is a trusting sort of guy and likes to "commit" to monogomous courtship.. seeing lots of FSUW on a trip might not be his style ?..... Meeting more than one woman on a trip may not be what will help him to be successful

.  Your pov is demonstrably wrong in this case.  Ma xx, as he himself admitted here, needed more experience in dating women before entering into any permenant relationship.  Ma xx also admitted to noticing better women after he married his RW.  Your way, WOVO, failed Ma xx most clearly.  He did not have the ability to pick and choose a good woman because he didn't meet others until after he was married.  What we do not know is if Ma xx met a variety of women, would he have made a better choice.  Meeting other women could not have hurt him in any way and most probably would have helped him gain some valuable experience with a variety of women.

 

Sorry, Ken, I believe I've countered that - saying someone has a closed mind - when they are putting an alternative viewpoint - with reasoned responses, is just the last refuge of someone who is probably guilty of the very same thing... especially, when their advice is based on non current scene data.

There you go again with your calender BS which is irrelevant and incorrect as noted above.

Ken I can assure you I knew that - you just assumed, quite wrongly, that this was my "agenda"..

I have learnt in my short time here to see that there isn't one methodology that is "superior" - it's what suits one's charaacter and that of the lady you seek..

There you go again..  !

Sorry, but I disagree here too.  I don't think you have "learned" anything in your short time here at RWD.  I also do not think you are even here to learn, but to teach your pov to others.  Or more correctly jam you pov down everyone's throat.

The first or second women Ma xx meets could be the one - I contend it is his character - his nature, that has allowed him to enter into marriages with incompatible ladies - meeting more women can't "help" -  meeting the right one can ...  Ma xx could meet many ladies and still chose one that wasn't right for him.

You ignore his lack of experience here in your assessment of the situation.  And it is that lack of experience that doomed him IMO.  He was in no position to make a good judgement on what woman would make a good spouse.  He was married to a loony woman for 20+ years and briefly dated another loony RW.  The only limited criteria Ma xx had to go by was that Elvira was less loony than the only two women previously in his life.  If ever a man needed some casual dating experience, it was Ma xx at that point in time of his life.  He should have met 20 women in Russia and had a plethora of casual dates.  And this was very doable five years ago!

I'm surprised you can't see that and that merely offering a different viewpoint than yours should blind you to such a degree.

What a crock of sh!t!  Your "merely offering a different viewpoint" is an insult to my and this forum's general intelligence.  You were argumentative and completely inflexible to anyone's pov that does not match your own from Gator's passing comment on through this entire thread.  Well, at least you answered my last question in my previous response to you.
KenC

[Maxx2]

Check this out Misha

Interesting video this group made of the Canadian marriage fraud problem.
www.stopmarriagefraud.ca

Also this group is petitioning for a three year conditional residency like the US's two year conditional residency. Of course you know what that would mean. Suddenly allot of immigrant women would be "abused" by big bad Canadian men  :evil: "Careful what you (they) wish for" I say to them.

 
Maxx

[Misha]

Check this out Misha

Interesting video this group made of the Canadian marriage fraud problem.
www.stopmarriagefraud.ca

Also this group is petitioning for a three year conditional residency like the US's two year conditional residency. Of course you know what that would mean. Suddenly allot of immigrant women would be "abused" by big bad Canadian men  :evil: "Careful what you (they) wish for" I say to them.

The typical marriage fraud in Canada: immigrant from Canada goes to home country, gets married, wife comes to Canada, his wife stays a few months with him and then she leaves. There is no need to claim domestic violence, and he will still be forced to pay.

[Maxx2]

Actually it helps me understand how my story should be written with the debate MSMoby, KenC and Gator are in.

Gator, you have amazing insights in regard to me and assessed my situation quite accurately. There is more that you do not know. Things like the PTSD and the tremendous financial burden that I was under from first wife. But I will get around to all that when I tell my complete story. I had more things happen to me than 20 men. Of course I did allot to have that happen such as hiring detectives to infiltrate the marriage agency that set me up. I'll get into that as well. Here is a photo of my RW detective "MOB"



and below of her talking with another RW that belonged to the agency about the real low down on how the agency operated.



An agency photo to lure the men in



Not my ex-wife ^

It would be a shame that everything I learned and the experiences that others could take lessons from was never told.


Maxx





    

[Maxx2]

The typical marriage fraud in Canada: immigrant from Canada goes to home country, gets married, wife comes to Canada, his wife stays a few months with him and then she leaves. There is no need to claim domestic violence, and he will still be forced to pay.

There will be if she wants out of the marriage and there is a three year conditional residency. The conditions being that she must go back to her home country unless she can prove that she was abused. That is where the police and protective orders come in. The law as it is now a woman or man can come into Canada and take off right away and no one in immigrations will do a thing about it. The guy in the video that you can see without blackout in another video told how the first day he went to work and returned home she was gone. They were together just a few days. Now if there was a three year conditional residency she would have stayed with him for those three years and probably left or she would do what some foreign women do in the US and claim to be abused after she set him up on false charges. He would come home from work one day. Find the furniture over turned. Food thrown against the wall. Her with some bruises on her legs, some scratches on her neck and tufts of her hair pulled out. Then he would hear a squad car pull up into his driveway. Out would come some RCMP with some handcuffs to take him to a cell.

Maxx

[Misha]

There will be if she wants out of the marriage and there is a three year conditional residency.

I for one prefer the status quo, even if it is flawed.

There is only one case that I have ever heard about a woman being deported to her country for immigration fraud: both were from India, he sponsored her and she dumped him at the airport, right after having "landed." If she had stayed even a few days with him, nothing would have been done.

The only way that a person could lose their permanent residence if they leave their spouse is if it can be shown that they had deliberately lied when applying for permanent residence. Keep in mind that once she (or he) is in the country as a permanent resident, they will be considered innocent until proven guilty. It will be up to CIC to prove marriage fraud, and this is hard to do. Again, unless she dumps him at the airport, she will be able to claim that she came to Canada with every intention of being his wife, but the marriage broke down in the first few days. How exactly are Canadian immigration officials going to prove that she is lying? The only people who will likely know the truth are her friends and relatives in her home country, and they are not going to tell the truth even if they are brought to Canada to testify. 

This is not just my opinion: see http://www.settlement.org/discuss/topic.asp?FORUM_ID=27&TOPIC_ID=6477

An interesting case surfaced a few weeks ago. One man from India sponsored his wife, but immigration officials rejected the marriage as a marriage of convenience. He then fought Citizenship and Immigration Canada in the courts and in the media (he publicized how he had been wronged: http://tinyurl.com/6dktqk). He ended up spending $30,000 in legal fees and his wife finally came to Canada with her mother and her daughter. She spent a few months with him and then left him. She did not claim domestic violence, and she was not deported. Mr. Maharaj is now vice-president of the new group Canadians Against Immigration Fraud you cited.

It is a two-edged sword. If your spouse leaves you and then applies for social assistance, you will have to pay for three years because you sponsored her (or him). However, unlike the United States, there is no need for her to come up with claims of domestic violence, because she knows that she will be staying in Canada even if she leaves him. Which is better? Which is worse? I personally prefer the first. IMO you will end up spending a lot less money on financial support than having to fight false charges is court. At a few hundred dollars an hour in legal fees, the lawyer bills would add up pretty fast. In the case of Mr. Maharaj, he would have been saved a lot of grief and money had he listened to the immigration officers

[Maxx2]

I for one prefer the status quo, even if it is flawed.

I agree with you completely. You have a good grasp and understanding of the situation. It is just like when guys get scammed by the Visa/Ticket scam. They get super worked up and go into rage about getting even or sink into a depression like world has never seen. But in reality things could have been much much worse.
1) A GCG experience is much worse.
2) One with false charges followed by a trial is worse still.
3) One with an arrest and jail time is even worse.
4) One with a lawsuit for alimony or for damages sometimes in the tune of six figures is almost as bad as it gets.
5) The category 5 experience is one with a prison sentence. It doesn't get worse than that unless she kills you (it has happened). 

The one thing that help me get over my category 2 experience was meeting and/or talking to 3's 4's and 5's. In looking at many of these cases I realized I wasn't so dumb after all. Some of these guys are so blind to what could happen to them they put themselves into the riskiest positions. As example some are tempted back to their wives to kiss and make up after a restraining order was issued on some minor charge. "But she called and said she was sorry and missed me". The guy ends up having sex with her and she then claims rape and has the evidence to prove it 


Maxx


 

[msmoby_ru]

Mark msmoby,

Sit down please so when you faint from what I am about to say you will not hurt yourself -  I do agree with you that Maxx’s personality is that of a WOVO man.

So good so far.. !

However, when you place that fact in context with the series of at least six factors that were influencing Maxx, WOVO was wrong for Maxx at that time.

..in your opinion, which - what a surprise - I don't agree with - and that is WHY, having followed the thread, I responded ..

Did you miss the part how Maxx upon meeting other RW found them more attractive than his Elvira?  Why?    Elvira, although “beautiful, funny, lively,” was not connecting to Maxx’s soul, yet Maxx could not sense it.  I assert that Maxx would have sensed it by comparison, and Elvira would not have made it. 

Well, that is your assertion and Maxx can always offer his input which is why we are here.. 

Your less than stellar reading comprehension in combination with your dogmatic, argumentative style is blinding you.  I suggest you reread what KenC has to say, because it describes you exactly.

Funny how you and KenC are now saying about ME, what I've said about you !



Maxx's story is part of the "risk" in the subject of this thread.  This thread is not about WOVO vs WMVM. 
[/quote]

ER, HELLOooo - you better check back - I said that already, too .... "less than stellar reading comprehension", eh ?!

Dogmatic - sorry - you are just being ridiculous - I have repeatedly offered an opinion ..  argumentative - well you got one adjective correct ..  but I'm not "apologising" for butting in to say "I think you're wrong , Gator... "

I was already sitting down .. We're in a Genteel Club, right ?!

This is much better ...

Sorry I must stand up ... KenC, next ... !

[BC]

Maxx,

After pi$$ing you off over the last years, I must admit your recent posts here are evidence of regained sanity and composure.

Welcome back!

[groovlstk]

Sorry I must stand up ... KenC, next ... !

Why not write something useful, instead?

I have no dogs in this fight and the main issues were long forgotten, but I for one have grown weary of your intractibility, veiled insults, and constant tit-for-tat postings.

You have an enormous amount of knowledge to contribute here but it seems your arrogance and desire to fight over the most insignificant details renders thread after thread useless. Save everyone the grief and take it to PM, please.

[Maxx2]

Thanks BC. I hate fighting with anyone. What was strange to me was that I attracted the insults yet I was supportive of the very people that were doing it. I believe that some of the men in this process are the best of men. That they took the road less traveled and reaped a great reward. I like Russian woman, the good one's that is, yet a number of them think I oppose them. I think the cross culture/language marriages are the best most full of life marriages when they are good. Ordinary domestic marriages seem boring to me. Marriage agencies? they have their function but should be watched. I could go on but you get the idea.


Maxx   

[Gator]

groovlstk,

Save everyone the grief and take it to PM, please.

You are correct.  Besides, it is demonstrating one of Albert Einstein's most brilliant definitions.

Maxx, no more interruptions by me. And I do want to hear about your investigation of the agency.

[Taz]

Maxx - can you start a different thread if you go on with this? I think it would best be served to have it from the beginning. Actually I personally would like to see your posts leading up to it split off from this thread. It would make it easier to follow and get rid of some of the bickering.

[steviej]

Maxx - can you start a different thread if you go on with this? I think it would best be served to have it from the beginning. Actually I personally would like to see your posts leading up to it split off from this thread. It would make it easier to follow and get rid of some of the bickering.

Maxx - Taz has made a very good suggestion. You have also said already you were pulling together your "whole" story. You have a very important story to tell, and telling the whole thing, beginning to end, with "no holds barred" would be invaluable.

It strikes me how clearly it is that the 2 provisions of US green card law almost guarantee these horrible "domestic violence" abuses:
1. If relationship breaks off in less than 3 yrs, she may be deported
2. UNLESS she is a victim of domestic violence.

Man, is this a guarantee for devastating trouble or what ?????

[Maxx2]

I have been working on "my story" for the past 8 hours. I am starting at the very beginning and I mean the very beginning. I need to explain my background and it is relevent as almost no one has mine but many people have something similar and it does have an effect on how we think and react.

Back to work.

Maxx     

[Maxx2]

It strikes me how clearly it is that the 2 provisions of US green card law almost guarantee these horrible "domestic violence" abuses:
1. If relationship breaks off in less than 3 yrs, she may be deported
2. UNLESS she is a victim of domestic violence.

Man, is this a guarantee for devastating trouble or what ?????

That sure sums up the problem. Then what happens is all this "abuse" is reported as being usual with guys like you. I have been fighting this for the past five years. I created a website I hope Dan doesn't mind me posting here (feel free to delete it if it violates rules. I understand no problem) www.immigrationfraudvictims.com org or us

Maxx

[msmoby_ru]

  The period of time when Ma xx went through this was 5 years ago.  If the date of when this happened was relevant, which it is not, then Ma xx' experience is closer to the time I met my wife than when you met your's.

Not a good start, Ken .. what is 10 minus 5 and  5 minus 1.75 ...  ?  Oh, sorry, YOU think the passage of time is not relevant. Yet, here we are discussing Maxx's past and future options ... and if you think the dating scene is the same in FSU countries - with more access to the internet, etc., no amount of reasoning is going to be successful in any debate with you ! .. more later

But this issue is not relevant to any time line and it certainly has nothing to do with the changes in the Russian landscape of foreign marriages.  I believe you are attempting to tie it to such in an effort to try and refute my advice as being out of date. 

Actually, it was a slightly rude response to your post were you gave me your opinion of me and my opinion's - which are often at odds with yours  - but my response was not undeserved or wide of the mark...  

It has to do with if a man is ready for another perminant relationship so close to when his long term marriage ended.  As Ma xx himself said, he should have stayed home and dated AW for a while in order to get his feet back on the ground.  So the real issue here is not the date of when this all transpired, hell it isn't even really about the pursuit of RW specifically, it is more about the common sense concept that a man (or woman) needs time to heal their wounds from the ending of a long term relationship before they consider another marriage.

Nice "speech", Ken .. but  my "beef" with Gator was  his inclusion of going "WOVO", on a list of possible reasons for Maxx's failure  -it took all this to get Gator to expand on his reasoning - you, and he just assumed I was going off on a WOVO tirade ... Well, I wasn't  - I listened to Maxx's story and decided this type of approach suited him, better ..

  Common sense; now there is a term for the ages.  Maybe you should try it sometime.

Common sense?! If we had common sense would we go to a foreign land to find a wife ?!  But I do know for sure you aren't qualified to question mine..  

Sorry, Mark, but that is a gross understatement.  You mocked and tried to belittle Gator for his opinion.  That is a far cry from suggesting that Gator's opinion was not necessarily true.  Your tone made this thread adversarial, which is typical of your style.

Ken, may be I have been adversarial - first with Gator, then with you - I apologise to other parties

How confused are you on this?  We are reviewing history from 5 years ago and you still want to debate WOVO vs WMVM.  What part don't you get?

Demonstrating, like Gator - that you merely read what you thought you saw and jumped in "feet first" - I  clearly stated -why and was at pains to say this related to Maxx in this circumstances... YOU are saying it is a WOVO v WMVM ...  

Oh thank you ol master of the forums, I just got here and was confused as to the principal concepts of why we are here. No, you did no such thing.  You mocked and tried to belittle him as you do with anyone that disagrees with your pov.
This is yet another area where we disagree.  Your attitude here and else where on this forum has shown you are much more interested in ramming your own pov down everyone's throat rather than trying to help anyone.  Not everyone agrees with your pov!  Try and open that little mind of your's to the concept that some others may have valid reasons for a different pov.

Nothing of substance here - I joined here hoping to help other guys be successful, and there'll always be someone who feels different - you have yet to realise that I joined in here as I felt Gator's advice was wrong - and I stated why.

 .  Your pov is demonstrably wrong in this case.  Ma xx, as he himself admitted here, needed more experience in dating women before entering into any permenant relationship.  Ma xx also admitted to noticing better women after he married his RW.  Your way, WOVO, failed Ma xx most clearly.  He did not have the ability to pick and choose a good woman because he didn't meet others until after he was married.  What we do not know is if Ma xx met a variety of women, would he have made a better choice.  Meeting other women could not have hurt him in any way and most probably would have helped him gain some valuable experience with a variety of women.  

OK, you have your opinion, but I looked a little more deeper at what Maxx keeps saying and *I* think he just isn't the type who wants / likes to date in the way you recommend...

 There you go again with your calender BS which is irrelevant and incorrect as noted above.

Dogmatic - therefore irrelevant

Sorry, but I disagree here too.  I don't think you have "learned" anything in your short time here at RWD.  I also do not think you are even here to learn, but to teach your pov to others.  Or more correctly jam you pov down everyone's throat.

No need to be sorry, Ken - I can't please everyone- and I often find your advice and style has me thinking the same thing...

 

You ignore his lack of experience here in your assessment of the situation. 

No, Ken, and you are "telling me" again - I read Maxx's posts - carefully and didn't jump in right away - until I had seen his responses... When Gator said something I thought was counterproductive for Maxx's situation - I entered - which is why your hypothesis re my motives and advice are so "amusing"... not to be taken seriously....

 

And it is that lack of experience that doomed him IMO.  He was in no position to make a good judgement on what woman would make a good spouse.  He was married to a loony woman for 20+ years and briefly dated another loony RW.  The only limited criteria Ma xx had to go by was that Elvira was less loony than the only two women previously in his life.  If ever a man needed some casual dating experience, it was Ma xx at that point in time of his life.  He should have met 20 women in Russia and had a plethora of casual dates.  And this was very doable five years ago!

..and meeting loads of FSUW who he knew little about. nor their motives would have "helped".. ?!   I think Maxx (or anyone) has to feel confident in themselves before dating - and meeting lots of women local or FSU shouldn't be some sort of "therapy".

 

What a crock of sh!t!  Your "merely offering a different viewpoint" is an insult to my and this forum's general intelligence.  You were argumentative and completely inflexible to anyone's pov that does not match your own from Gator's passing comment on through this entire thread.  Well, at least you answered my last question in my previous response to you.
KenC

Again, I was trying to be diplomatic - but as the gloves are off ... I don't CARE what YOU think, now ! ....I tried to answer and address you points and you have made your conclusions  .. you weren't patient, reasonable, and you didn't bother to read ..... ( all things you accuse me of !)

 I guess the only thing we have in common is we both claim to want  to help other guys be successful . Seems like we are going to bang heads a lot - get used to it

I'm more interested to read what Maxx says - at least it is interesting and he seems keen to listen.

[KenC]

Mark,
You will get no further responses from me.  You're just not worth the time or effort.
KenC