beautiful woman?

[Son of Clyde]

Beauty will fade over time. What about attractive, natural women with inner beauty? 

Has anyone considered a practical, caring woman over a "beauty queen?"

 

[Shadow]

I have a friend who will get a 20-25 y.o. woman, then trade her for a newer model once she passes 30.  When I read the emphasis many men put on beauty, it seems he is not alone in his actions.

My girl is not a beauty queen, but I am not Mr World myself. When looking through the profiles and writing I looked not strictly at beauty. A friendly expression and positive outlook on life were much more important to me.

[Bruno]

I have a friend who will get a 20-25 y.o. woman, then trade her for a newer model once she passes 30.  When I read the emphasis many men put on beauty, it seems he is not alone in his actions.

My girl is not a beauty queen, but I am not Mr World myself. When looking through the profiles and writing I looked not strictly at beauty. A friendly expression and positive outlook on life were much more important to me.

All the woman i have love was beauty queen IN MY EYES... and i feel myself ugly ( but i am not complexed, only realist  )...

It is what have change with my actual girlfriend... i have stop searching a young sexy cutie... i have search a adult woman with good character... lucky, she seem to be cute too...

A smile is a real beauty on picture and several picture from young sexy FSU woman don't show the wonder smile... and learn character need time, a profile don't say enough...

 

[PeeWee]

I have a friend who will get a 20-25 y.o. woman, then trade her for a newer model once she passes 30.  When I read the emphasis many men put on beauty, it seems he is not alone in his actions.

My girl is not a beauty queen, but I am not Mr World myself. When looking through the profiles and writing I looked not strictly at beauty. A friendly expression and positive outlook on life were much more important to me.

I went for beauty. I figured that if I were to put up with all of the crap that a woman can dish that at least she better be good looking. I mean why take crap from a homely woman? you guys might recall that the former Mrs PeeWee was a movie actress/model...and even though she is the best mother in the world to my son she can be and sometimes is a royal huge pain in the buns. I was at odds with the woman for 10 years, but she was cute so I put up with it.

The current RW is cut from the same cloth. A former celebrity in Russia and as a result married a vastly wealthy man which introducted her to Moscow's elite and life style. She is a great looking lady but to go with it  is an arrogance that might befit a queen. She is one of the most intimidating women I have ever met. It took me a long time to work my way behind her wall to see the really generous, good natured, humerous, person that lived inside. I think many of you guys have found out that a good RW will make her man feel like he is the hottest male on the planet. I like that.

 

PeeWee

[Rvrwind]

As the old saying goes - beauty is only skin deep.

Whats in her heart & her mind are the greatest treasures. I've dated super hot babes & some not so hot babes & after a couple of good drunks in my life I've woke up next to some downright ugly dogs. But in all thhat I learned a few lessons:

1/Ugly & not so hot babes try harder. They know what their up against & who the competition is, so they put more value & effort into a relationship.

2/Supper hots think they got it all & they make you grovel to get anywhere near them. They are for the most part egotistical, arrogant, b*****s that figure their sh*t don't stink & they can have any man they want. As PeeWees ex wife ....

For me I chose to ignore the 10's in the looks department. They are demanding, overbearing & greedy & some even sycotic. Been there, done that!! There are exceptions to everything so don't go flying off the handle on me okay!!!

I find the best women are looks wise in the range of 7-8's, they are deffinitly not hardon the eyes. They have not developed an I'm better than everybody else attitude & they appreciate what a good man can do for them. However finding a 7-8 with a 10+ personality is very difficult. I have achieved it & so have many others.

My wife will be the first one to admit she is no beauty queen but personality wise she is a 15 outa ten & she certainly is not hard on the eyes. At 35 she still has the body of a 27 year old & has retained her youthful looks quite well. Her personality has remained & everybody who has met her just plain likes her because she is friendly, outgoing & cheerful.

I have met a few guys who married super hots & when they introduced us I could feel the tension. He doesn't see it, he's blinded by her looks. But outsiders can see it & feel it. They treat outsiders differently & usually with a modicome of disrespect that their husband don't see or chose to disregard. Not all but many.

On top of all that, just step back & think for a minute. Why do you think that many of the women looking for husbands in any country are the best looking of the bunch, I did say many, not all. Don't try to tell me it is because they can't find a good man in their country because that is a whole bunch of Bull!!! Don't you think maybe its because the men in their country found out their a pain in the a$$ and are hoping you will take them off their hands.

When I look around at all my friends & aquiatances over the years, of which there are literally hundreds if not more. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many I would consider married a ten. A lot of these guys are not bad looking, have a decent income & treat their wifes good. But for the most part I would rate the wifes on a 7-8 with an odd 9 thrown in. Some even married women I would not even consider dating and would put them in a range of 5 or less & the guys are not that bad looking, with exceptions however.

Most of the happiest couples I have met are where they both run in the 6-8 range. They have no misconceptions as to why they are together. Of course there are exceptions but not many that I have experienced.

Okay, ya'll can beat me up now, but before you do, take a realistic look around as you walk down the street and pass other couples. Soak up the sun & take an objective look...Before you come beat me up!!!

RVR

Canadian Cowboy

[PeeWee]

As the old saying goes - beauty is only skin deep.

Whats in her heart & her mind are the greatest treasures. I've dated super hot babes & some not so hot babes & after a couple of good drunks in my life I've woke up next to some downright ugly dogs. But in all thhat I learned a few lessons:

1/Ugly & not so hot babes try harder. They know what their up against & who the competition is, so they put more value & effort into a relationship.

2/Supper hots think they got it all & they make you grovel to get anywhere near them. They are for the most part egotistical, arrogant, b*****s that figure their sh*t don't stink & they can have any man they want. As PeeWees ex wife ....

For me I chose to ignore the 10's in the looks department. They are demanding, overbearing & greedy & some even sycotic. Been there, done that!! There are exceptions to everything so don't go flying off the handle on me okay!!!

I find the best women are looks wise in the range of 7-8's, they are deffinitly not hardon the eyes. They have not developed an I'm better than everybody else attitude & they appreciate what a good man can do for them. However finding a 7-8 with a 10+ personality is very difficult. I have achieved it & so have many others.

My wife will be the first one to admit she is no beauty queen but personality wise she is a 15 outa ten & she certainly is not hard on the eyes. At 35 she still has the body of a 27 year old & has retained her youthful looks quite well. Her personality has remained & everybody who has met her just plain likes her because she is friendly, outgoing & cheerful.

I have met a few guys who married super hots & when they introduced us I could feel the tension. He doesn't see it, he's blinded by her looks. But outsiders can see it & feel it. They treat outsiders differently & usually with a modicome of disrespect that their husband don't see or chose to disregard. Not all but many.

On top of all that, just step back & think for a minute. Why do you think that many of the women looking for husbands in any country are the best looking of the bunch, I did say many, not all. Don't try to tell me it is because they can't find a good man in their country because that is a whole bunch of Bull!!! Don't you think maybe its because the men in their country found out their a pain in the a$$ and are hoping you will take them off their hands.

When I look around at all my friends & aquiatances over the years, of which there are literally hundreds if not more. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many I would consider married a ten. A lot of these guys are not bad looking, have a decent income & treat their wifes good. But for the most part I would rate the wifes on a 7-8 with an odd 9 thrown in. Some even married women I would not even consider dating and would put them in a range of 5 or less & the guys are not that bad looking, with exceptions however.

Most of the happiest couples I have met are where they both run in the 6-8 range. They have no misconceptions as to why they are together. Of course there are exceptions but not many that I have experienced.

Okay, ya'll can beat me up now, but before you do, take a realistic look around as you walk down the street and pass other couples. Soak up the sun & take an objective look...Before you come beat me up!!!

RVR

Canadian Cowboy

Now here is a lad whose ideas I can get behind. You know that mantra "Beauty is only skin deep" was authored by a homely woman. I don't believe it for a minute. The other really stupid saying is "Large and incharge." Also coined by a homely and fat woman to compensate for her abnormal size.

Now the saying "Go ugly early" that one was invented by a guy. But that ain't me. I like the "Go great late" philosophy better. Like I said, if I am to put up with a woman in my life then she has to have something going for her in the way of eye candy. Sounds shallow but not so. I also think that she has to have the heart and the soul to match.

PeeWee 

 

[Shadow]

I have a friend who will get a 20-25 y.o. woman, then trade her for a newer model once she passes 30.  When I read the emphasis many men put on beauty, it seems he is not alone in his actions.

My girl is not a beauty queen, but I am not Mr World myself. When looking through the profiles and writing I looked not strictly at beauty. A friendly expression and positive outlook on life were much more important to me.

All the woman i have love was beauty queen IN MY EYES... and i feel myself ugly ( but i am not complexed, only realist )...

It is what have change with my actual girlfriend... i have stop searching a young sexy cutie... i have search a adult woman with good character... lucky, she seem to be cute too...

A smile is a real beauty on picture and several picture from young sexy FSU woman don't show the wonder smile... and learn character need time, a profile don't say enough...

 
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When I say she is not a beauty queen I only repeat HER words

One strange thing I noticed is that after meeting er the women I would see as a 10 before suddenly downgraded to 8.... love is blind.

[andrewfi]

One of the more interesting parts of the pasttime of reading these silly boards is to read the fantasies of deluded men.

Keep it up guys and remember why it was that you were single before your newest fantasy. (oh that's right, it was not your fault was it...)

[KenC]

Rvr,

I don't know who you think is going to offended by your post because I certainly am not.  I do disagree when you wrote:

I find the best women are looks wise in the range of 7-8's, they are deffinitly not hardon the eyes. They have not developed an I'm better than everybody else attitude & they appreciate what a good man can do for them. However finding a 7-8 with a 10+ personality is very difficult.

There is one rare exception to the catagory you speak of:  The beautiful woman that had spent some time as a "less than desirable" beauty.  There is a speech made by Jason Alexander in the movie "Shallow Hal" that describes it perfectly.  He is telling his best friend Hal that the best woman in the world is a former fat chick.  She has developed a great personality and sensitivities while being a social outcast.  She also understands that she is not a better person now that she is slim and attractive than when she was plump.  She has learned that the world can be cruel to those less attractive and treats everyone as an equal.  In short, she has developed her inner beauty before the outer beauty bloomed.

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[TigerPaws]

 Beauty may only be skin deep but ugly goes clear to the bone! As so many mothers tell their daughters "It is just as easy to marry a rich man than  poor one", well it is just as easy to find a warm, kind hearted, loving and beautiful woman as it is to find one who is butt ugly.

 Thay said beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, what I am attracted to someone else might find repulsive. Still why settle for second best in yorur selection of a lady, go for the most beautiful lady that appeals to your wants, needs and desires. What is the worst thing that will happen? You will fail, ok so what, pick yourself up, learn from your mistakes and try, try again until you get it right, never settle for second best, life is short enjoy every minute of it.

 

[Shadow]

Or do as the Russian Women you are looking for. Find one that seems not half bad and learn to appreciate what you have instead of what you would like to have.

 

[TigerPaws]

Or do as the Russian Women you are looking for. Find one that seems not half bad and learn to appreciate what you have instead of what you would like to have.  

 Not a bad suggestion Shadow, find the most beautiful, loving, kind hearted woman that will be happy with you. As long as both people are happy what is the problem?

 

[PeeWee]

One of the more interesting parts of the pasttime of reading these silly boards is to read the fantasies of deluded men.

Keep it up guys and remember why it was that you were single before your newest fantasy. (oh that's right, it was not your fault was it...)

I don't know if I would agree that the forum is silly. A lot of good ideas can be gleaned from the crap. Everything we do in life requires a sorting process so why not this too? I get a lot of good ideas from this and the rest is retoric and conversation. Everyone is single at one time or another. I was before, then not, and then again. I'll be married again sooner than I want to be but because I found a woman after 10 years of bachelorhood that seems to be the full meal deal.

PeeWee

[Photo Guy]

I agree with the transplanted Canadian Cowboy.

[BC]

[user=17]TigerPaws[/user] wrote: Still why settle for second best in yorur selection of a lady, go for the most beautiful lady that appeals to your wants, needs and desires. What is the worst thing that will happen? You will fail, ok so what, pick yourself up, learn from your mistakes and try, try again until you get it right, never settle for second best, life is short enjoy every minute of it.


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Tiger,

For most RW seekers it's a one shot deal..  Not enough resources and time to 'try, try again'.. that's why so many settle for the can of worms.

[TigerPaws]

[user=17]TigerPaws[/user] wrote: Still why settle for second best in yorur selection of a lady, go for the most beautiful lady that appeals to your wants, needs and desires. What is the worst thing that will happen? You will fail, ok so what, pick yourself up, learn from your mistakes and try, try again until you get it right, never settle for second best, life is short enjoy every minute of it.

Tiger,

For most RW seekers it's a one shot deal.. Not enough resources and time to 'try, try again'.. that's why so many settle for the can of worms.

BC,

 I agree and I have said time and time again, the vast majority of men start a search in the FSU with too little time, funds and paitence.

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[Journeyman]

KenC wrote:

There is one rare exception to the catagory you speak of:  The beautiful woman that had spent some time as a "less than desirable" beauty.  There is a speech made by Jason Alexander in the movie "Shallow Hal" that describes it perfectly.  He is telling his best friend Hal that the best woman in the world is a former fat chick.  She has developed a great personality and sensitivities while being a social outcast.  She also understands that she is not a better person now that she is slim and attractive than when she was plump.  She has learned that the world can be cruel to those less attractive and treats everyone as an equal.  In short, she has developed her inner beauty before the outer beauty bloomed.

KenC

I followed that philosophy in going into a serious relationship during my college days.  She had been a shy, fat girl up until the middle of college, but dumped most of the weight during a summer, transferred to my university, and caught my eye.  At that point, she was still relatively humble.  However, over the course of our 1st year together, she got a lot of attention.  Too much, and after that first year, she told me she couldn't resist it, and went in another direction.  As you know, some girls just gotta try out that new "skin" and take it for a spin.  That is one of the problems of meeting a girl too soon after the big weight loss.  That is one exception to your general rule.

However, after a few months, interestingly, she came back. Maybe because she cared about me, maybe because of a still deep-seated kind of insecurity that had plauged her much of her life.  After all these years, I'm still not sure.  We got back together for another 3 years until . . . . .

The other major risk factor struck.  Money.  Daddy was rich.  Even though she had felt quite insecure about her looks early on, she had still never been in need of anything, and had rarely had to face the consequences of her actions.  As a result, even without being beautiful as a youth, she had still become rather spoiled.  Eventually, that spoiled quality came through too, and we ended up splitting for good.

KenC, I agree with your general thesis, but I am stating an important exception (or two) to that general rule.  A woman who has her own money (or gets or has gotten whatever she needs from daddy), can frequently be a poor prospect for a stable relationship.  Not always, but often (I guess that just about everybody knows that).  After I split with my girlfriend for the last time, she first got involved with a hood (which scared her family to no end (her father called on a private investigator to spy on her and determine whether she needed to be rescued)).  Eventually, she slipped away from the hood.

However, by that time, she was then too old to be a full dependent on daddy, and yet too young to expect any immediate inheritence (or other major distributions of the folks' estate).  So, what does she do?  Yup.  She ends up marrying a wealthy, older man (a familiar theme here?).  Her "princess" self-perception had been well-ingrained by then, and she was able to live it out by hitching herself to another wealthy man.  

I just had to cite that exception to your sometimes useful rule about finding an ex-plumper.  BTW, I've known a couple of guys who have attempted relationships with a RW whose family had a lot of money.  Not one single success story in that group.  I avoid them, myself.  Was it PeeWee that was now involved with a rich Russian girl?  Yikes.  The last thing I would want is a gal who thinks she is a princess.

Growing up rich or beautiful can be such a curse for women, often destroying their character when, if fact, their life could be so wonderful if they had learned to view themselves in more modest terms.  Of course, the same could be said of men.  I make it a point to try to find those "moderating factors" in the life and status of any RW that I now meet.  Otherwise, IMO, your playing with dynamite.

Journeyman

[Michelangelo]

Growing up rich or beautiful can be such a curse for women, often destroying their character when, if fact, their life could be so wonderful if they had learned to view themselves in more modest terms.

So, as the old song says, "If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife"

After all, it's dark at night and you can use your imagination about her looks

[TigerPaws]

So, as the old song says, "If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife"

After all, it's dark at night and you can use your imagination about her looks

 

Bull S^%$ Michael,

 But it was a nice try.

[KenC]

Journeyman,

Good post.  We are mostly speaking in general terms here and they usually do not fit specific cases.  Bottom line is that all women are different.  A RW coming from a rich family is still some what rare too.

KenC

[Albert]

I have a couple of disagreements or at least comments:

"1/Ugly & not so hot babes try harder. They know what their up against & who the competition is, so they put more value & effort into a relationship."

I have not found this to be true.  I have not dated (more than once) an ugly woman, but I have been with several who were not that great looking.  Of those in this latter category, I have not found that they put 'more value and effort into a relationship.'

I think the main explanation for my experience is that women rarely acknowlege that they are not 'great looking.'  Society, family and friends are well trained to tell such women that they really are quite attractive.  At a basic level they know they are not attractive, but then they focus on what they hear from family and friends, and they really do believe they are good looking.

In short, I have tried the route that 'not so good looking gals' may be more pleasant to be with (or they try harder, etc.), but it has not turned out to be the case.  On the other hand, I have never been with really top looking gals (9-10), so I have escaped the hellish experiences (speaking of their personalities) that many have had with such women.

Second, on Ken C's story about fat gals who have gotten slender, etc.  A very very big potential problem here, unless you like very big gals!!  Most weight loss is temporary.  Both men and women will have a very difficult time varying their weight substantially from their 'natural' weight, at least in the downward direction.  The old reminder that you should look at the gal's mother and grandmother is still very sound advice.  If the mother and grandmother are fat, then your gal is going to get fat . . . sooner or later.  Doesn't matter if she has always been slender, or has slimmed down . . . . she will be a porker in the long run.  Maybe less a porker than her mother or grandmother, but still a porker.

[TigerPaws]

I have a couple of disagreements or at least comments:

"1/Ugly & not so hot babes try harder. They know what their up against & who the competition is, so they put more value & effort into a relationship."

I have not found this to be true.  I have not dated (more than once) an ugly woman, but I have been with several who were not that great looking.  Of those in this latter category, I have not found that they put 'more value and effort into a relationship.'

I think the main explanation for my experience is that women rarely acknowlege that they are not 'great looking.'  Society, family and friends are well trained to tell such women that they really are quite attractive.  At a basic level they know they are not attractive, but then they focus on what they hear from family and friends, and they really do believe they are good looking.

In short, I have tried the route that 'not so good looking gals' may be more pleasant to be with (or they try harder, etc.), but it has not turned out to be the case.  On the other hand, I have never been with really top looking gals (9-10), so I have escaped the hellish experiences (speaking of their personalities) that many have had with such women.

Second, on Ken C's story about fat gals who have gotten slender, etc.  A very very big potential problem here, unless you like very big gals!!  Most weight loss is temporary.  Both men and women will have a very difficult time varying their weight substantially from their 'natural' weight, at least in the downward direction.  The old reminder that you should look at the gal's mother and grandmother is still very sound advice.  If the mother and grandmother are fat, then your gal is going to get fat . . . sooner or later.  Doesn't matter if she has always been slender, or has slimmed down . . . . she will be a porker in the long run.  Maybe less a porker than her mother or grandmother, but still a porker.

albert,

 For the most part I agree with you, the one ray of sunshine is that if your lady becomes a "porker" a man has a few choices. 1, live with the porker 2, make her aware that if she dose not trim down that you are gone 3, divorce the porker and move on.

 Ok I know this sounds harsh but what other choices are there? Personally I will not live with a porker, but that is my decision, someone else may feel that love conquers all, I do not.

 

[BC]

ANY woman is an angel until she has your 'jewels' firmly in grip.. the few good ones remain angels afterwards.

[andrewfi]

Was that not a part of your Prenup? I think you told us?

There are many reasons why one gains weight, it is a natural part of aging for most people, but we do not know in advance who those people are - looking at the forbears can give some idea though.

Are you, in essence, suggesting that as your wife becomes less physically attractive that you would divorce her on that ground? Is weight the sole criterion of beauty, in your eyes?

Your words above and previously suggest to me a person who is emotionally stunted, but then perhaps that is why many men seek foreign wives. Of course, your wife knowing the circumstances has made her choice, and you both live with the consequences thereof. I doubt that love is a big motivator for your marriage, is it? But then, there are many marriages that are not based upon love.

[Photo Guy]

I object to the use of the word, 'porker'.