A Wallet on Legs?

[andrewfi]

Be real, if you are an old fart chasing a young bint, what the bloody hell do you think you are? Adonis or Croesus?

It does not matter where you are from.

[Zhena]

Be real, if you are an old fart chasing a young bint, what the bloody hell do you think you are? Adonis or Croesus?

It does not matter where you are from.

Also a maturity of the older men attracts the young ladies. Not only the wallets,if they existing at all.

[Oosik]

I think the real mistake people make is not realizing the value of money to the one they are spending it on.

If the average income is $300 for a month, you would set yourself up as a mark if you spend $100 on her in a day or two. It doesn't matter if $100 is a cheap date for a guy in Boston, if you use that standard in the FSU you will come off as a guy trying to buy something. Many poor people will not be able to resist selling you something, and the cons out there will milk you for what it's worth.

My homestay last summer really helped me put that in perspective. When a cafe costs $2.50 for lunch for two, and a high-end meal is $30 for two people (2 small pizzas, 4 heinekens), you can quickly tell if you are acting like a Mr. Moneybags in a city where the average salary is $300/month.

Go someplace where $75/month is common, and $10 meals are living the high life, and you really have to restrain yourself.

[andrewfi]

Ms Fiancee,

lets be straight about this. If the guys making trips to buy a bride had the personal requisites to attain their ambitions back home, they would. As they do not, they travel abroad. If they lack the personal attributes, then that pretty much leaves financial attributes.

[Oosik]

Ms Fiancee,

lets be straight about this. If the guys making trips to buy a bride had the personal requisites to attain their ambitions back home, they would. As they do not, they travel abroad. If they lack the personal attributes, then that pretty much leaves financial attributes.

Well this is pretty much an insult to almost every man on this board.
I have often asked why you are even here, considering your view, apparently it is just to show your superiority to us AM who have nothing to offer RW except our relative wealth?

[Admin]

Ms Fiancee,

lets be straight about this. If the guys making trips to buy a bride had the personal requisites to attain their ambitions back home, they would. As they do not, they travel abroad. If they lack the personal attributes, then that pretty much leaves financial attributes.

Andrew,

I disagree with you on this point. For some of us - this is the outgrowth of the popularity of the internet - the access it provides to people around the world. Of course, it is also the result of events dating back to 1989 with the collapse of the Soviet system.

I acknowledge there are some misfits who pursue international relationships - just as there are misfits in all walks of life. But I do not agree that all the people in this pursuit are, in some way, lacking.

- Dan

[BC]

Not to incite but polar opposites do seem to attract quite well.

[Zhena]

Ms Fiancee,

lets be straight about this. If the guys making trips to buy a bride had the personal requisites to attain their ambitions back home, they would. As they do not, they travel abroad. If they lack the personal attributes, then that pretty much lea

This is urs and the guys who think like this typical mistake-u wanna buy someone-thats why u cant find a proper girl.

[KenC]

[user=743]a fiancee[/user] wrote:

Ms Fiancee,

lets be straight about this. If the guys making trips to buy a bride had the personal requisites to attain their ambitions back home, they would. As they do not, they travel abroad. If they lack the personal attributes, then that pretty much lea

This is urs and the guys who think like this typical mistake-u wanna buy someone-thats why u cant find a proper girl.

Ah, but there in lies the point: Andrew is not looking for a proper girl.

KenC

[OhioGuyRob]

Sorry to hear of your situation.  I have been married only about 6 months to my wife who is originally from Ukraine.

The only people I help out is Natalya's mother.  I send a couple hundered each month to help her mother out. She is a teacher and they are notoriously underpaid especially of you are teaching kindergardeners.

No one has every asked me to do a single thing.  All my wife did was mention how much she worries about her mom and so I said why dont we just send your mom a little each month?

Mom has never asked, hinted alluded to or made any vailed suggestion about financial aid.

IMHO people are people.  Some good some not so good.  No different here than there.  In a way for them you are like the family member that hit the lottery....

[user=743]a fiancee[/user] wrote:

Bruno-congrads,I hope shes what u want:)

But let me tell u,if shes rich,she may not willing to change her location. What is shes work,if not a secret? I think u realise that in Belgium she wont be able to make same money,at least a first time.

The girls here dont look for the foreigner husband cos hes rich. Most of them not so silly and understand that in another country such income is not so much. But the presents is a part of a culture,not more. The men here are spoilt by a big choice of the young pretty women. The guys who visited my country will understand what about I talking. But also,men here are generous mostly and gives to their girls alot of things. Thats why the girls expect the same from u. They consider the men to be a bread-winner. So if u dont agree with it,possible u shouldnt look in this country. A russian woman will be quite expensive for u ,at least a first time. And as I said,the rich women who erans alot,usually dont willing to change their location.

[andrewfi]

I am not looking.

But no, if you could find what you wanted in your country, state and community, why would you look elsewhere?

Hands up the men who are looking for, or are married a woman, from the FSU, within four or five years of their own age?

If you could find what you wanted, or could find someone who wanted you, with the same characteristics that you seek in the women from the FSU, then, surely, as rational beings, you would not go around the world.

What is the primary difference, apart from your advancing years, relative to the men that the women you seek normally settle for, apart from the financial incentives you guys offer, perceived or otherwise?

Ok so now we have that sorted, where do we disagree?

It is not insulting you to suggest that a primary attraction of a relatively wealthy older guy, is his relative wealth. If your personal attributes were the key, you guys would be doing just fine chasing around the hot twentysomethings earning a decent living, in your own community.

Are you guys misfits? Of course you are. All of you! Does that make you bad people, nope.  Misguided, self deluding? Perhaps, but not bad people and, after all, most people, in one way or another, are self deluding

 

[Michelangelo]

Ms Fiancee,

lets be straight about this. If the guys making trips to buy a bride had the personal requisites to attain their ambitions back home, they would. As they do not, they travel abroad. If they lack the personal attributes, then that pretty much leaves financial attributes.

Hogwash, Andrew.  I am seeking a foreign girl because I think the interplay of cultures is interesting.  And I love the Russian accent :-)

American girls are simply not as interesting to me.  

Yes, I can have my pick of girls from the US, so you are dead wrong in your assertation.

[Admin]

I am not looking.

But no, if you could find what you wanted in your country, state and community, why would you look elsewhere?

Hands up the men who are looking for, or are married a woman, from the FSU,within four or five years of their own age?

If you could find what you wanted, or could find someone who wanted you, with the same characteristics that you seek in the women from the FSU, then, surely, as rational beings, you would not go around the world.

What is the primary difference, apart from your advancing years, relative to the men that the women you seek normally settle for, apart from the financial incentives you guys offer, perceived or otherwise?

Ok so now we have that sorted, where do we disagree?

It is not insulting you to suggest that a primary attraction of a relatively wealthy older guy, is his relative wealth. If your personal attributes were the key, you guys would be doing just fine chasing around the hot twentysomethings earning a decent living, in your own community.

Are you guys misfits? Of course you are. All of you! Does that make you bad people, nope. Misguided, self deluding? Perhaps, but not bad people and, after all, most people, in one way or another, are self deluding.

I submit the bigger question is - why in this day and age of quick and easy communications, including translation if needed, and with reliable and relatively inexpensive transportation (no longer takes weeks to cross the Atlantic) - why should I (or anyone) restrict themselves to my "country, state and community"? Why not cast a wider net? Why not consider the possibility that maybe the person BEST-suited for me (and me for her) lives in a far-flung geography?

And for some, the added benefit of learning about a new culture, history and language - are all PLUSES. There are some who feel a sense of adventure and want to follow that leading.

Andrew, the 'tone' - as much as the terms - of what you write sometimes comes across as being condescending or critical. Perhaps you do not mean it that way - but it is how I sometimes interpret your posts.

I think there are a great many reasons guys get involved in this pursuit - and only some of those reasons revolve around someone being unable to find what they want in their own backyard.

FWIW

- Dan

[Oosik]

Andrew exists here to point out that AW are just as good as RW, and AM are losers who can't get any at home, and so they use their wallets to get otherwise unobtainable women. If he can throw in a barb at the US in general, he goes for it. I surely can't be the only one to see the trend.

Certain groups of people think everyone MUST have the same motivations that they have. Andrew's insistance that we use money for sex, and that they use sex for money is nothing more than the transference of his values onto us.

But then a sex tourist is not likely to be familiar with how the minds of relatively moral marriage minded men work.

[mischief]

But no, if you could find what you wanted in your country, state and community, why would you look elsewhere?

If you could find what you wanted, or could find someone who wanted you, with the same characteristics that you seek in the women from the FSU, then, surely, as rational beings, you would not go around the world.

 

:huh:

My mother-in-law asked the same question : " Son, aren't there enough worthy ladies in your backyard? Why in hell, did you go there? What's wrong with you?"

(She also used to think that there was no reason to travel.  And immigrants are the worst thing in the world - which is US only)....

Such a narrow perspective! 

 

[Admin]

Andrew exists here to point out that AW are just as good as RW, and AM are losers who can't get any at home, and so they use their wallets to get otherwise unobtainable women. If he can throw in a barb at the US in general, he goes for it. I surely can't be the only one to see the trend.

Certain groups of people think everyone MUST have the same motivations that they have. Andrew's insistance that we use money for sex, and that they use sex for money is nothing more than the transference of his values onto us.

But then a sex tourist is not likely to be familiar with how the minds of relatively moral marriage minded men work.

Oosik,

Your post looks to me like an attack on Andrew personally. I do not agree with several of your conclusions - and suggest you should not be so quick to attack others.

If you want to debate the points brought out in Andrew's posts, please do so - but do it without resorting to attacks and innuendo.

- Dan

[Oosik]

Dan, he straight up called us all misfits. Is that not person insults?
He more than implied that our only redeeming value is money. Is that not innuendo?

But hey, it's your board. If Andrew's comments making direct assaults on 90% of the board members are less offensive to you than me calling him on it, then I don't know what to say. Maybe you should re-read his last post, and decide who to spank.

[Admin]

Dan, he straight up called us all misfits. Is that not person insults?
He more than implied that our only redeeming value is money. Is that not innuendo?

But hey, it's your board. If Andrew's comments making direct assaults on 90% of the board members are less offensive to you than me calling him on it, then I don't know what to say. Maybe you should re-read his last post, and decide who to spank.

Oosik,

I call 'em the way I see 'em - and yes, Andrew is sometimes caustic. I've mentioned it to him previously.

But I did not see him attacking any one person with the clear and distinct reference to them being a "sex tourist" - though I saw YOU do that.

Oosik, I am glad you are here at RWD. I think you have something to offer. But you are a bit quick on the trigger to 'go after' someone.

Again, just my observation - and others may see it differently.

- Dan

[Rvrwind]

There is something that i don't understand... since several year, woman fight for the same right between men and women... so, why woman cannot :

- make small gift to man

- help him financially

- make it easy for his familly

Well Bruno, I searched high & low for a woman who would support me in the manner to which I want to become accustomed. Finally gave up on that & settled for sexy, charming, intelligent & hard working. I figure I came out ahead in the end. LOL

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Oosik]

Dan, you are defending someone who directly insults 90% of the members of the board.

A reasonable reading of Andrews last 4 years of posts shows that he is a sex tourist. Or if you have another word to describe someone who goes to a foreign country to screw women that he has no intention of marrying, then I will gladly use that word.

[KenC]

Are you guys misfits? Of course you are. All of you! Does that make you bad people, nope.  Misguided, self deluding? Perhaps, but not bad people and, after all, most people, in one way or another, are self deluding

But if course there is all the honor in the world to be a whoremonger like Andrew.  Whom I have affectionately refered to as the "Pimp Daddy of Estonia" in many past encounters.  But now that doesn't make him a bad guy, does it?

KenC

[Elen]

"There is something that i don't understand... since several year, woman fight for the same right between men and women... so, why woman cannot :
- make small gift to man
- help him financially
- make it easy for his familly"

Women can and do.  Just to get that you should live in Russia and be true Russian males

[Admin]

Dan,

How can you not be offended by Andrew's post?

Ken,

As I was writing my post which Andrew responded to - I had some difficulty with the wording because I was thinking EXACTLY what Andrew wrote in his response.

To some extent, every one of us could probably be labelled a "misfit" if others were to look deeply enough. I suppose it depends on the definition one ascribes to the term.

Just because we each one have some 'eccentricities' (perhaps a better term) doesn't make us hunchbacks with cleft palates and one eye in the center of our foreheads with bulging wallets and fat paychecks.

Maybe I understand what Andrew 'meant' with what he wrote - or maybe I am just naive - I don't know.

As for his sexcapades - all I really *know* (or THINK I know) is that he is single and is not looking to get married any time soon - and that he lives in a former Soviet republic. I guess he has written in the past of his exploits - but I do not recall seeing them here.

That's my take.

- Dan

[Ste]

Dan, you are defending someone who directly insults 90% of the members of the board.

A reasonable reading of Andrews last 4 years of posts shows that he is a sex tourist. Or if you have another word to describe someone who goes to a foreign country to screw women that he has no intention of marrying, then I will gladly use that word.

I know Andrew reasonably well, he's a compatriot and we've had a few phone calls and a lot of emails and belive me he's a nice guy.

He's certainly no sex-tourist thats for sure, in fact he's done what most of us wouldn't/can't/are to scared to do, has upped sticks and gone to live in this land where all the women we aspire to romancing come from.

This US/Europe Gulf ever widens....

Ste

[Oosik]

So when he insults all of us, you try to devine what you think he may have meant. Your bias in this matter is really unfathomable, because right and wrong is clear here, and you are siding with wrong. Reminds me of an abused housewife making excuses for her husband "but I know he means well".

Andrew does not mean well. And he insulted every man here more than once in this one thread. He admits that he is at cross purposes with this board. But for some reason you value him enough to ignore this, and to make excuses for him. Fine, it is your board. It is your right. But if you want to know why RWG ticked so many people off, it was guys like andrewfin and cameragirl who got coddled by the mods, and protected by the owner.