Correspondence w/gal from Samara

[groovlstk]

Bruno, I just examined the "long headers" of the emails I got from her.

All of them appear to be coming from the same source:

X-Header-Overseas: Mail.from.Overseas.source.194.67.23.121

 

That IP address resolves to Moscow.

If you find out for sure that she's a scammer, you can have some fun with her. I used to send Nigerian 419 lads on "safaris" to pick up money at certain Western Union offices as far from their home city as possible. After several rounds of this I could usually look forward to a nice voodoo curse. 

[itstime]

Oh, and she just tried to call me (so I guess they finally read the part of my email where I gave my cellphone number). I purposely hung up on her the first time, and then let it roll over to voice mail. She left me a somewhat lengthy voice mail message, repeating several times that she was sorry she didn't get to hear my voice, and told me she was traveling (by bus) to Moscow tomorrow to pick up her visa and couldn't write me again until she got to Moscow - but would try to call again tomorrow when she was there. (Inconsistencies already, because her last email stated that she'd call me around "17:00 hours". However, it was neither 17:00 hours my time, nor Moscow time when she called?)

You are a real dipstick!

Here you have a genuine girl who is willing to spend her own money to visit you, her own money to telephone you, and you play around with her like some kind of toy!?!?!?

You ought to go crawl into whatever hole you crawled out of and stay there.

You do NOT deserve to marry anyone.

 

[itstime]

Bruno, I just examined the "long headers" of the emails I got from her.

All of them appear to be coming from the same source:

X-Header-Overseas: Mail.from.Overseas.source.194.67.23.121

That IP address resolves to Moscow.
[/quote]
Just like about 90% of Russian and Ukrainian girls who use the free email services of mail.ru. But my Ukrainian girlfriend is different. She uses yahoo.com so does that make her an American scammer.

You dipsticks make me want to puke. You are so goldarned stupid I can't believe it.

If you don't have a clue about how the Internet works then don't bother checking email headers because you won't learn anything useful.

 

 

[Elen]

you ALL are insane here

[groovlstk]

Bruno, I just examined the "long headers" of the emails I got from her.

All of them appear to be coming from the same source:

X-Header-Overseas: Mail.from.Overseas.source.194.67.23.121

That IP address resolves to Moscow.
[/quote]
Just like about 90% of Russian and Ukrainian girls who use the free email services of mail.ru. But my Ukrainian girlfriend is different. She uses yahoo.com so does that make her an American scammer.

You dipsticks make me want to puke. You are so goldarned stupid I can't believe it.

If you don't have a clue about how the Internet works then don't bother checking email headers because you won't learn anything useful.
 
[/quote]

What does it matter if a girl uses mail.ru or Yahoo? The originating IP is going to be the same no matter what service she uses.

[Bruno]

you ALL are insane here

Not everybody

Yes, the XP originating lead to mail.ru ... who is located to moscow... this information is added by the mail.ru server ... it seem that our specialist in computer is not enough specialist for this little problem ...

You need to read the last line "receveid :" from the header... you will have something like :

Received: from [194.158.210.6] (port=2879 helo=larisa)
 by mx1.mail.ru with smtp
 id 1E3uwp-000K0W-00
 for ***@***; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:17:13 +0400


The real IP is these between bracket... sometime, your have a "domain" and you need to resolve the IP yourself... here, the IP lead to Minsk Belarus... my girlfriend... but like you, the XP originating is mail.ru in Moscow... specialy the server mx1.mail.ru ... Need to go back to school my friend :P:P

Now, Twyrick, like itstime write, everybody accuse these woman without evidence... and you game now with her... if she is a honest one, it is you who begin be a scammer... you game with her and his feeling...

No, groovlstk, the XP originating in case of mail.ru, aol, and rambler.ru ( and some other ) lead to the IP of the mail server... sometime, the XP originating is the IP of a proxy... but again, you can see the proxy IP followed by the real IP between bracket in the header when you can read them...

In any case, you can use the unix function "tracert" in the command ligne from windows XP professional for see the reverse way ( limited to 30 hop )...

So much people use computer and internet but don't really understandt how all this work... maybe i need begin scam rich American who search a foreign bride... in short time, i will be rich :cool:

[Photo Guy]

I object to the use of the word, 'dipstick'.

[Michelangelo]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

I object to the use of the word, 'dipstick'.

I also favor real horses.  The oil burning engines that use dipsticks to see how much lubrication you have are ruining our environment and we should all object!

[Michelangelo]

TWYRICK,
I'd consider her as legit and see what happens....you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain

Good luck!

[twyrick]

I have not done anything like reporting her to a "blacklist" site yet... and I don't plan to until/unless she makes a move like asking for money at the last minute.

All I'm saying is, a lot of things are not adding up here as I proceed wth corresponding with her.

Furthermore, see this link:
http://www.russian-scam.org/message.htm#Galkina

Bears a fairly close resemblance to the Evgeniya I've been talking with, don't you think?

Also, I also discovered that the originating IP led me back to mail.ru - but doesn't it seem a bit odd that the lady writing me has a return email address ending in "@list.ru"?  I suspect a listserv of some sort (MajorDomo, most likely).  Probably allows the scammer to subscribe a number of people to the list and send out individual emails that go to all recipients at the same time?

TWYRICK,
I'd consider her as legit and see what happens....you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain

Good luck!

[Bruno]

Also, I also discovered that the originating IP led me back to mail.ru - but doesn't it seem a bit odd that the lady writing me has a return email address ending in "@list.ru"?

:D:D a lot of thing not adding up !!! I think that you become parano :?

list.ru is part of mail.ru... the same for box.ru... you have only find the IP from the mail server... not the IP from the provider used to connect at these mail server by these lady...

A little like Hotmail.com is a service from msn.com now... sorry, these woman have nothing suspicious now... you have no evidence of any type... she spend money for phone you and have ask nothing to you...

If you are not able to trust a minimum a woman, don't try start a relation and stop all now... one of the main thing in relation is a minimal mutual trust... without these trust, you cannot build any type of strong relation... since about love, you can never be sure at 100%...

[BC]

The picture is interesting.. besides the wallpaper.

She takes the picture in the mirror so I believe is holding the camera with her right hand even though it looks like the left hand.

Looks like she has a wedding band on her right hand.

She has a lot of rings so maybe she just likes it that way.

The phone call is 'interesting' though. Have caller id?

[itstime]

Furthermore, see this link:
http://www.russian-scam.org/message.htm#Galkina

Bears a fairly close resemblance to the Evgeniya I've been talking with, don't you think?

Well, you know, all xxxxx look the same, don't they?

When I moved to England I had a hard time telling apart women who had long blond hair because there were so many of them. On a popular soap opera there were 4 actresses who I couldn't tell apart. It was confusing to say the least.

But nobody else had this problem. And after a couple of years I also don't have a problem distinguishing between different young blonde actresses.

The thing is, I don't go accusing these young blonde actresses of trying to cheat me.

[andrewfi]

[user=16]Bruno[/user] wrote:
She had many guys pitching woo, although I am sure the more sensible among them knew exactly what the deal was.

..and probably took her up on the offer anyway.[/quote]Exactly! That was what she was wanting. Frankly, she was not concerened with falling in love, but in getting free holidays. A woman like she had no reason to expect that she could not have her pick of men with whom she could make a love match. This was about good times. Spoony men get in the way...

[swindoom]

Well, you know, all xxxxx look the same, don't they?

Could you be anymore racist and ignorant. Just the sort of person we do not want in England.

[Michelangelo]

Itstime, never, ever use that word...

[Photo Guy]

That word is only for black rappers.

[twyrick]

Ok - since a few of you still seem to think *I'm* the one being a jerk for not trusting this woman... let me quote you the latest email I received from her this morning:

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I wish to wish you pleasant night on this Thursday and good morning
 mine Tom!!!
How your day today? I hope, you thought of me, about us with you much,it is pleasant to me to realize, that show so a lot of care to me!
Thanks the god that you is. I know that I shall be happy to be with
you! I already said goodbye to the friends here, spoke with mum much!
It has told, that I was cautious in road and when I shall arrive to
USA, have informed it! Friends now will come, they will see off me
up to the bus!      
In one and a half hour at me already the bus to Moscow.
I strongly hasten, therefore it will be the short letter! sorry! I
Hope you has not taken offence :-)))...
Right after receptions of the visa I shall go on Friday to buy the
ticket aboard the plane, and I shall write to you the information on
flight. Now I am assured, that I can soon see you in alive, stand with
you close! It is pleasant to me to understand it! I cannot write to
you till Saturdays! Please, do not worry! I shall be in full safety. On
Friday after registration of all documents, I at once write the letter
to you!      
As to me it will be pleasant, if you will prepare for my meeting!
Something I worry... brrrr
I want, that these days were good for you that you were in safety, I
love you mine lovely  
I have already gathered, bags are packed, gifts are prepared, and I
have a small surprise for you, you will be liked it!  
Now I madly wish to see you and strong to kiss, I hope in some days
can make it!!!
The most pleasant kiss from me, kissssssssssss
Yours lovely Evgeniya
ps; please write to me the full address, and your phone number.

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(Note that she's, again, asking for my phone number, despite the fact she already called me with it yesterday.  Also note that the broken English used looks very much like that in other sample "scam letters" posted on the net.)

Furthermore, yes, I do have caller ID and when she called me, it always showed up as a "blocked call".  Now, I don't normally receive phone calls from overseas, so it's *possible* this is just the way it works when a call of that type comes in to my cellphone?  But I find that highly unlikely.  I would expect a "Number unavailable" message instead, if anything.

By the way, I also did ask for her number, so I could call her - but she never provided it, nor has she ever answered my question (several emails ago) about how she was able to obtain her visitor's visa to the U.S.

I'm willing to entertain the *possibility* that she's not just scamming me, but I think that's a SLIM chance at this point.

Here's another photo she sent, by the way.

[Michelangelo]

Furthermore, yes, I do have caller ID and when she called me, it always showed up as a "blocked call".  Now, I don't normally receive phone calls from overseas, so it's *possible* this is just the way it works when a call of that type comes in to my cellphone?  But I find that highly unlikely.  I would expect a "Number unavailable" message instead, if anything.

When I get a call from my girl in Russia, her number, or most of it, DOES show up on my called ID.

[Elen]

I heard something abouth bets some guys made at this board in PMs  Have you anyone for this case? Who is a handbook man here? JB? Do you take rubles? :?

[Michelangelo]

What's your bet, Elen?  I bet you think she is not coming to the US, right?

I'm a romantic, so I'd like to believe it, but the trend of events say it's 99% she is not as she presents herself...

[Elen]

To put a bet that she will not come to the USA at all is not interesting because it's too obvious:P I think about a bet how many time it would take from her to say she needs money becuase for example she was robbed in awful Moscow and now is lost in alien city wihtout any kopeika ( or something like this)

[BC]

I often see the 'blocked call' id when someone calls from a mobile phone and has the number sending feature turned off.  Internet calls usually shows some odd prefix within the states or country where you receive the call.

Cute girl.

Did a google search for some of the gramatically incorrect phrases and came up with this:

http://stop-scammers.com/letter(s)_from1041_to_report1.asp

Guess someone else using the same translation software could produce the same phrase..

Sound familiar?

[Bruno]

What's your bet, Elen? I bet you think she is not coming to the US, right?

I'm a romantic, so I'd like to believe it, but the trend of events say it's 99% she is not as she presents herself...

I bet on a mislick in any case... same if she visit the USA, i am not sure that our guy will wait her at airport... and he is so suspicious that these big tension can only make these meeting a misluck... he is so convinced that she is a scammer that it is better for him to say her that he will not meet her...

Broke english !!! Like only one russian woman write broken english... i will be more suspicious to these who speak or write perfect english...

Tom, post the information about her flight when you have it... maybe some other American man here wish meet her... maybe some alone man on these forum trust her and have some interest...

Again about bet, we will never know the real resultat... we have the sound from only one side... is it a trustly side ? I don't know...

My only advice for tom : stop publish ads on the net... don't begin with foreign woman... stay alone a little, allow the time to heal the wound of your previous marriage and repair your financial situation... marry a foreign woman is more that spare some 50$ here and there... for the first year of living together, you need a double income... she will not be able to work but more, she will cost you more that a local woman ( she come with almost nothing )...

I bet that these time, these woman will loose definitively her hope in American men... perfect, maybe she will begin have some interest for greedy European ;)

[Bruno]

Guess someone else using the same translation software could produce the same phrase..

Sound familiar?

 

About online translation software... you have a lot of site but until now, i have only see 3 different engine... several program make the same mistake because they are based on one of these three engine...

And it is why i ask always my girlfriend to send the original letter in Russian with the translation... this allow me to detect some mistake in translation and spare misunderstanding... of course, it is need to use a little time for make the translation... and several men are not wishing work a lot for build the relation...