False sites

[TigerPaws]

LMFAO...

Years ago my wife, then g/f, waited until I was in the shower, sneaked a peek at my passport and saw all the entry and exit stamps on the Visa pages. She later held my feet extremely close to the fire about what was I doing in England, France, Germany, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, and Chile.

LoL jb,

 What were you doing in all of those countries? Recruiting for al-Qaida?

[Bruno]

Kevin, your case is a little special, you are really a local agency... your worker meet the ladies... and i think that from this side, we can trust the lady because your control...

For the man, it is really difficult... but the bank card control is a solution...

Several site work with online form... and they don't make any control of the woman... same IP are not controled...

In my case, but i think that the same is true for almost all free site, we cannot control personaly of with bankcard...

It is why i have make some level of certification of ads ( the same rule for both woman and man )... high level for for people who send copy of official document, medium is for people who have a positive control of IP, low level ( negative IP ) are not more publish except if they upgrade directly to high...

And i advice to exchange a copy of document with first letter... this allow a trusted basis for start a relation... BUT since some people can use the document for make a scam, don't forget to use your graphics program and write in big read letter on the copy "not for publish, only for name of lady"... since in US, social security number is a important data for fraud, you can blur it and make it unreadable...

In my case, i send always a copy of national and international passport, a copy of my divorce file... so several of the doubt are removed... and if the woman don't wish send his document, sorry... next one ...

[jb]

LoL jb,

 What were you doing in all of those countries? Recruiting for al-Qaida?

No, my friend, I traveled quite a bit as a trouble shooter for the energy/oil exploration industry, I also conducted educational siminars for French and UK company employee's who worked in the arab countries back in those days. (I'm an engineer). As a pilot, I also flew airborne magnetic surveys in South America in a A-26 (Peru), as well as SLAR surveys (Brazil, in a French built Caravel), mapping the interior of those places that were hard to get to by other means. I even made several supply flights for the CIA to the Nigeria-Biafra Civil War.

I've kinda been all over.  My beautiful young Russian wife refers to me as a "hooligan".  I went to Russia the first time in the late 1970's and early 80's.

To be honest, after 1970 I pretty much turned my back on the USA, I am a two tour VietNam Vet, and I got tired of being shat upon at home, I didn't come home until the mid-late 1980's.

I'm not less a patriot, I just don't suffer fools lightly. Jane Fonda really pissed me off.

[Kvinna]

also how your ledies can requier copy ID from men if they don't know english and your staff correspondent with men istead of RW... that is why I wonder how do you blacklist your ladies?

[Kevin]

Kvinna

Since you have stated that you are willing to create a false profile. I put you to this challenge. Make contact with one of the ladies in my agency and get her address though our office. I would like to see if my safeguard to prevent this work as well as I believe they do.  

Read my site policies and my blacklist pages and you will see the requirement that I have to be blacklisted.

Kevin

[Bruno]

Kvinna,

It is almost impossible for men to scam the woman of Kevin... Why ? Have your read "1984" from George Orwell... the agency of Kevin work like so, he control all... no personal phone, no personals e-mail, control of e-mail, first meeting at agency, ...

Personaly, i don't like so service, i need some privacy, i like send SMS each day, ... but nobody will be allowed to scam a lady before the meeting... since the price of Kevin are enough high... and that all is make via agency, same for the meeting... i don't think that use the Kevin service for scam a woman can be interesting... too much expense for little result if you try scam ladies...

Now, about the black list of Kevin, she is very short... 5 ladies... and no one have scam via his agency... of course, no evidence are publish except for the last one... who have two complain... but again these complain are strange... certainly the second guys :

"[highlight= #ffffff]I met Julia at a European Connections social on October 24 in Odessa, and she agreed to marry me at the beginning of the social, so I did not talk to any of the 250-275 other ladies there."[/highlight]

[highlight= #ffffff]What kind of idiot ask for marry a woman during a social, after a short time, with the first woman... imagine a little, ... the woman and man see for the first time, they sit together in a corner and begin speak... the man ask if she wish marry him... she reply yes... and the man believe her... yes, the man is crazy, the woman have understand this and profit of the situation... of course, the woman scam him... but him is certainly not ready to build a serious relation... ask for marriage a woman you know for a few minutes...maybe the man have think that he make only some shopping... buy a woman... really, these social are something strange...[/highlight]

 

[Fiorella]

I just thought that for that type of women who come to Kevin's agency his way to work may be good solution. As he said, they don't care, they don't speak English, they are that type who need a "master" who will show then the right direction. But on this case you loose other possible customers, "who care", and not all men want to meet offered women. Some men want to meet more educated, with higher self-esteem women. And there are for sure women who are ready to pay for service. But, of course, they all can use other agencies as well.

Kevin, what about an interview for Lillavilla?

[Felice]

Big new success for Honest Marriage Agencies recommended in www.khersongirls.com Go Honest Marriage Agency to www.ukraineloves.com

Go to ID 932 Marina Chernova from Cheboksary. Did the Honest Marriage Agency see her passport? If so it was false. Don't they know that Cheboksary, Yoshkar-Ola, kazan andSamara are dangerous scamcities in Russia? Go to www.studio5tv.com.la.htm-4k or search by Google for: Marina Maslennikovo.

We do find that bride Marina Chernova is in reality Photo-model Marina maslennikova whose photo is often used for scamming

Now we go to ID1013 in thee Honest Marriage Agency. We see Karina (the Scammer) This person is in nearly every blacklist, she is scammer Karina Lykova from St. petersburg. Search by google, you find her many times blacklisted.

So Honest they are possibly but maybe a bit Simple?

[Admin]

Bruce, i am not sure that it is true of not... it is the words of Jim...

In these story, you have Felice who is busy with some mystical fight and Jim who don't post a reply... he is afraid that Dan can check his IP ( due to relation between Dan and Jack )... i have propose him to publish his reply via my own loggin... but since, big silence...

Now, my conclusion of all this is simple, everybody fight everybody... man don't know anymore who to trust, and several woman are hurt by so fight ( listed like scanner because someone use his profile, because she is in a agency who scam customer, ... )... all this make the marriage proces more difficult now that several year ago...

Bruno,

As you know, it is not my 'style' to create problems and controversy on the board - HOWEVER - the comment you posted which comes from Jim is totally ridiculous.

For one thing, Jim sent me email, and I already have his IP.

For another - and as I pointed out to him in email - his personal contact information was posted on the open internet. I presume it is accurate since his first email to me complained; "Are you trying to get me killed?" because of the information being posted.

Further, I encouraged him many times to register and post his side of the issues here - but he was obviously stalling.

His comment about refusing to post here because of his anxieties over unfair treatment here - is merely a sham excuse.

While I respect his decision to stay off the board, his feigned excuses and lack of ability to be forthright are qualities I normally find in people of low integrity and honesty.

- Dan

[Felice]

Dan did you check the profiles above brought in by me here, before they are deleted from Honest Marriage Agency www.ukraineloves.com Especially the model Marina Maslennikova is very interesting. Kevin good advice to you: Let your agencies search by an amateur maybe he knows more than professional agency-owners? Don't they, Kevin no hard feelings but are agency-owners not a bit simple in scamrecognising? You have local girls, there the problemdoes not play, but a profoile from Cheboksary!!! Check it!!!

Yeah everybody fights, scam is fight!!!

[Bruno]

Bruno,

As you know, it is not my 'style' to create problems and controversy on the board - HOWEVER - the comment you posted which comes from Jim is totally ridiculous.

For one thing, Jim sent me email, and I already have his IP.

For another - and as I pointed out to him in email - his personal contact information was posted on the open internet. I presume it is accurate since his first email to me complained; "Are you trying to get me killed?" because of the information being posted.

Further, I encouraged him many times to register and post his side of the issues here - but he was obviously stalling.

His comment about refusing to post here because of his anxieties over unfair treatment here - is merely a sham excuse.

While I respect his decision to stay off the board, his feigned excuses and lack of ability to be forthright are qualities I normally find in people of low integrity and honesty.

- Dan

Dan,

The IP of Jim that you have via e-mail is not his real IP... it is a proxy mail server in USA... previously, when Jim have contact me several month ago for the first time, the IP from e-mail was from his provider... a compagny in Samara Russia...

In any case, i am tired of him... i have propose him to post his reply... if he wish, he can use a proxy for register and log in RWD... but like i have say before, he don't really wish reply, he wish only the post be deleted...

And really, if some local russian agency wish kill him, it is not a real problem... they can hire a bad hacker and some people from local mafia and find him... if he wish to be fully secure, only one solution... stop with internet... and his business...

Shortly, i don't trust Jim anymore... but it don't mean that i agree with "Felice"... our "kas kop" ... maybe is it some true in his post but until he is not comming with something really strong, it is only some wind... a "stinkende" wind...

 

 

[UkraineLoves-USA]

Hello Felice,

Thank you for your dilligence in seaching through all 47 pages of our profiles.  You are right in the profile for girl #932 was using the photos of a fashion model (Marina Maslennikova).  At the time we were not aware of this but we have since removed her profile.

The second girl you mention is girl #1013.  We contacted the agency office in Saint Petersburg and checked her information.  They do have her passport and contact information on file.  The workers in that affiliate office have in fact known her personally for several years.  All information was verified.

The part that you are not aware of is that girl #1013 was developing a serious online relationship with a man several years ago.  After meeting and over time she felt that he was not what she was really looking for in a husband.  So she told him and attempted to move on.  He then went to every scam site on the internet and posted the information there.  That is what we were told when we contacted that office. 

http://www.stop-scammers.com/letter(s)_from409_to_report1.asp

Letter(s) from Karina Lykova to Ercan M. (Turkey)

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Letter 1
send me your photo

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Letter 2
what do you think about meeting?

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Letter 3
send me money for tickets i come to you

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http://www.datingscam.net/lblacklist/g19-1.html[/i]
[align=justify]Details: I emailed the lady and received a reply with an invitation to call her. When I called her she immediately asked for $6000 to get a travel visa to the United States. I asked a number of questions of her regarding the Visa and none of her answers were correct.

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[align=justify]After having reviewed the information online it just seems a little bit rediculous.  Any scammer which would request $6000 or more after 2 or 3 letters must be one of the stupidest women on earth.  In none of the postings to any scam site we saw did we have proof from any man that was personally scammed by her.  Just different reports from (mainly one man - Gary) that he was asked for money.  No one ever stated that she ever received money from them or that she ever actually took money from them.  Just basically that she immediately asked for money directly and was suspected of being a gold digger or was attempting to run a travel scam.[/align]
[align=justify]At this time we are putting her on probation.  Yes, we could immediately remove her but we want to try and see both sides of a situation.  There really are two sides to a story.  I have posted her side of the story.  Now I asked that the members of this community pass their own judgements.  Should we blacklist this girl for life considering the possibility that her story may be true or ignore her statements and the statements of those that personally know her and just blacklist her immediately?  Please let us know what you think about this.  [/align]
[align=justify]We attempted to contact some of the men who posted complaints about her but none seem to be reachable or their contact information is no longer valid.  If anyone has more information about this or has had first-hand knowledge (not reposts from a copied scam site) please let us know.[/align]
[align=justify]Sincerely,[/align]
[align=justify]Brian Minor[/align]
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[Jack]

Honest Jim since you asked me not to write you directly anymore, I will write you here, as I know you and anyone who wants to know the truth about the in's and out's of the pursuit for a Russian bride, as well as real scam's and scammers, read the site daily.
 
From Honest Jim on Monday, April 4th to Bruno,....
 
Bruno,

   Thanks again for your help. The guy doing the attacking is A guy named Thomas from the Netherlands. He is mad because I have 2oceansoflove on my site.
 
From Honest Jim on Sunday, April 3rd to Dan,....
 
Dan,

 It's OK, after reading Felice's posts, I know it is Jack Bragg. He is mad because I won't put him on my Gold List.
 
Whoaaaa, Honest Jim, you KNOW Felica is Jack Bragg on Sunday and within 24 hours now Felice is Thomas!!  What goes Honest Jim? How credible are your statements. Were you lying to Bruno, or to Dan?
 
And Honest Jim, what is this that anyone who says anything negative about you must be mad at you?
 
Honest Jim I have caught you in two previous lies, I guess this is the third.
I am mad at you because you won't put me on your Gold List???
Honest Jim, you said you WOULD put me glad to add me to your Goldlist, as you have said you have recommended my agency in the past, I have the e-mails from you to prove it. And for only $20! Jim if I wanted to be on your Goldlist, I could have, and for only $20 a month. As much respect as I have for Kevin, and we do disagree with some things, unlike Kevin and the rest of your Gold Listed members, I refuse to pay someone to say I am a good and honest agency. You don't pay for this type recommendation Honest Jim, you earn it. And this is what I found to be so distasteful about you and your site.
 
I think Dan summed up you up pretty well Honest Jim with his statement .....
 
While I respect his decision to stay off the board, his feigned excuses and lack of ability to be forthright are qualities I normally find in people of low integrity and honesty.
 
Honest Jim, this is a discussion board whose guys offer real advice and from guys who have been there and done it. Guys who try to share helpful information in hopes of helping others from being scammed and whose opinions and thoughts can't be bought or deleted. I think you had best stick to Russian discussion boards that might recommend your way of doing business, looks like it won't fly around here.
 
 
 
 
 

[Felice]

Hello Ukraine-Loves

Scammer Karina Lykova is blacklisted not only in Stop Scammers, she is even in the blacklist of Honest Jim at http://agencyscams.com/Photos19.htm-29k  anyway search by Google for: scam Karina Lykova you find her inwww.russian-scam.org/messages.htm-513k anyway in Russian Scam Org in www.russian-women-scam-list.com/scams_list.htm-39k anyway the blacklist from mysticcafe / A Foreign Affair also in www.datinscam.net  etc om www.brides.com

I have 6 blacklistings and not from indeed the not clear report in Stop Scammers.

An agency told that her adress after checking was not right.

Mr. Brian when you do believe that somebody listed in 6 blacklists is no scammer, I give up, than you go on selling her adress to new victims

[Bruno]

Jack, now, a little more oil on the fire... for finishing the beast...

From Jim, the 02/04/2005 :

I realy need to know who posted that info...Tere are 3 people that could do it. 2 are mad because they are losers and one is mad because I won't goldlist him. I think it is Jack Bragg...he uses nunya@ix.netcom.com and his IP might be dialup-4.225.191.65.dial1.dallas1.level3.

The other guy is John Brier. He uses  JBrier1268@aol.com and his IP might be  64.12.137.5.  But that AOL IP never says the original place.

The 3rd guy is Ashley Neal. He always jumps on boards and attacks me.


And now, special for Felice... Google is a search engine and it is not perfect... you need click the link for check it before use it for prove what you say... first, remove the page size at the end of URL...

Now, about the first link http://agencyscams.com/Photos19.htm , only a name, with a photo... no accusation, no evidence...

For http://www.russian-scam.org/messages.htm ... "error 404" ... for http://www.russian-women-scam-list.com/scams_list.htm... "sorry but the page requested is not available"... for http://www.datinscam.net ... "can not find the server"... for http://www.brides.com/ ... explain me where there is a black list... they offert all for marriage but about scammer ??? nothing...

like i see, you don't search in the black list, you only use google... if a internet page have several lady, by example "Felice kaaskop" and "Bruno Thoumsin"... google go give a positive result for "Felice Thoumsin"... someone who don't exist or who is not guilty...

In short , if you check your own link, if you have serious prove, you are welcome... other :

ZWIJG

[Killer-B]

Dang - Talk about bad blood boiling here.... Wow -

Anywho - I was Googling "UkraineLoves.com" and came up with this OLD thread.... In fact, I had to use the cached version to "see" all that was said... so am not even sure if this is still an active post or not -

That said, I in NO WAY wish to get caught in the crossfire here - Nor do I wish to reopen any wounds of old... But my bottom line question for Kevin is - Well - Is UkraineLoves a "legit" agency or not? They are still listed on your "links" page @ Kherson Girls - and thier webpage layout looks very familiar to me - but can't seem to place it...

Anyone have any thing to add to all this?? Personal experiences?

Thanks

[Kevin]

Killer_B

The agency is still on my recommended list and I found no evidence of any scams coming for the agency. The lady on the blacklist profile was most likely stolen from a site as this lady is now married.  Ukrainianlove was not involved in any of the blacklisted complaints.

Kevin

[Killer-B]

Thanks Kevin - After reading all 3 pages here - seemed to me that it was a case of "borrowed" (stolen) identity.... but just wasn't sure... so thought I'd ask...

Since I posted that, I dug around some more - and seems their web format is allot like Fiance.com which is owned by AnastasiaWeb - so of course that made me a little nervous... We'll see how it pans out :-)

Thanks again!