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[BC]

PeeWee,

When you ask a question like:

"I like this hat.. am I wearing it wrong?"

expect answers like:

"Your hat is on correctly, but your head is obviously screwed on backwards"

Guess the best solution for you is to call 1-800-ASK-BCIS.

I for one don't buy your 'exclusive' case. Yes you may have peaked a bit of interest as to what that exclusivity may be but I think you might be better off playing your shell game elsewhere. Nothing new can be learned here from your experience.

[jb]

Peewee,

I think what Conner is getting at, and the point you are missing is that every person getting into the USA on "Immigrant Status" is sponsored by somebody, or some company.  If she's been here before and has some residual immigrant rights and priviledges, somebody, or something, sponsored her in the first place.  There are two types of entry visas, "Immigrant" and "Non-immigrant", some non-immigrant visas can be converted, like the K-1, but business, work, and student visas cannot be converted without a further sponsor.  No one gets a free ticket to land of the big PX.

I also think it would behoove you to learn this.

[PeeWee]

Peewee,

I think what Conner is getting at, and the point you are missing is that every person getting into the USA on "Immigrant Status" is sponsored by somebody, or some company. If she's been here before and has some residual immigrant rights and priviledges, somebody, or something, sponsored her in the first place. There are two types of entry visas, "Immigrant" and "Non-immigrant", some non-immigrant visas can be converted, like the K-1, but business, work, and student visas cannot be converted without a further sponsor. No one gets a free ticket to land of the big PX.

I also think it would behoove you to learn this.

I am trying to learn about the visa  process which is why I ask the questions of the forum membership. In this case there is a sponsor, it is not I, it is not a jilted K-1 romeo, but I will agree that there are other types of sponsors. My company, for example, has 7 Russian men working in its ranks. All with families...all are here living and working and all are enjoying the big PX. And while those 7 able men are here and working with me and living and enjoying life, I had nothing to do with them coming here either. There are many professional athelets now living in the US at the request of their respective teams. Many of those individuals will live here for years. It seems the circumstances and the opportunities for immigration are both many and varied. None of those are "special" or "magic" they are but one more avenue for one to take in their quest for their spot in line in what you call "the big PX." Think Costco...there always seems to be a ton of Russians and Ukraine in attendance when I shop there.

It is a pity that I was not a part of the process because then I would know more about it and I would have less questions. But as long as the process in underway and because I have been told not to concern myself about it, I have not. But I do have my curiosity.

 

PeeWee

[Bruno]

Peewee,

I think what Conner is getting at, and the point you are missing is that every person getting into the USA on "Immigrant Status" is sponsored by somebody, or some company. If she's been here before and has some residual immigrant rights and priviledges, somebody, or something, sponsored her in the first place. There are two types of entry visas, "Immigrant" and "Non-immigrant", some non-immigrant visas can be converted, like the K-1, but business, work, and student visas cannot be converted without a further sponsor. No one gets a free ticket to land of the big PX.

I also think it would behoove you to learn this.

JB, again a little question who have nothing to make with marriage but more with visa...

Is USA following the convention for Geneva about the refugiees ? ... Here, when a refugiess ask asylum... a long procedure begin ( between 2 and 7 year )... during these procedure, the foreign is allow to stay on our territory... after the procedure, he can receive a order to quit our territory or the stastus of refugiees...

With these stastus, they have the same right that Belgium man without be Belgium citizen... so, they are able to return back home or in Belgium so much they will...

If USA follow around the same procedure, it is possible that these woman was previously refugiees, and so, she have a special status...

[PeeWee]

Peewee,

I think what Conner is getting at, and the point you are missing is that every person getting into the USA on "Immigrant Status" is sponsored by somebody, or some company. If she's been here before and has some residual immigrant rights and priviledges, somebody, or something, sponsored her in the first place. There are two types of entry visas, "Immigrant" and "Non-immigrant", some non-immigrant visas can be converted, like the K-1, but business, work, and student visas cannot be converted without a further sponsor. No one gets a free ticket to land of the big PX.

I also think it would behoove you to learn this.

JB, again a little question who have nothing to make with marriage but more with visa...

Is USA following the convention for Geneva about the refugiees ? ... Here, when a refugiess ask asylum... a long procedure begin ( between 2 and 7 year )... during these procedure, the foreign is allow to stay on our territory... after the procedure, he can receive a order to quit our territory or the stastus of refugiees...

With these stastus, they have the same right that Belgium man without be Belgium citizen... so, they are able to return back home or in Belgium so much they will...

If USA follow around the same procedure, it is possible that these woman was previously refugiees, and so, she have a special status...
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Bruno is one of those thinkers who dwells outside of the box. I recall one famous person, we all know Nadia Comenchi, an athelete who defected to the US. it worked for her.

When we are only given a small part of the total experience to digest we all tend to embelish it in our own way.  What would each of you decern from this true event that will occur  in my life in about 12 hours?

Today, in 12 hours and 40 minutes of this writing, I will sell an Airbus A320 to am man in Phoenix, Arizona. Yesterday, at 10am, I set in motion a process that would deliver to a man in the UK, an Airbus A321.

Now, you can draw your own conclusions from that tidbit of information. My point is that we are all going to have to deal with bits and pieces of information about people, places, and things.  If I ask a question of you then it is because I need a reliable answer and not not someone's conspiricy theory. I do not know the answer and I am not even qualified to asik the question and I am not going to lay out for you all of the details of my life and its experiences. None of us, except for my man, Clyde, are going to do that. So you work with what you got to work with. So forginve me if I seem secretive about this...but I am and I will continue to do so.

PeeWee

[Bruno]

If I ask a question of you then it is because I need a reliable answer and not not someone's conspiricy theory...

PeeWee, i have ask a question too... it is nothing about conspiracy... about refugees, i see them each day... the organisation for who i work is called OCMW, it is a state organisation... they are responsible from children garden, help people low in money, rest house for older people and they are responsible from the refugees centrum of our regio...

These refugees work daily with me in the garden... in the last 6 month, 2 have married Belgium woman... but the more strange is that they have a lot of right due to these special status...

My question was based on the reality that i see here... and i have wish know if something like this can happen in USA...

 

[jb]

Yes, the USA does accept refugees under certain circumstances.  It would depend on how US foreign policy views the country of origin, i.e., a person from a country which has a democratic, freely elected, of the people, by the people, etc., government, would probably not be able to claim refugee status.

The young girl athlete mentioned, Nadia Comenchi, defected from a communist country at the time, so she qualified.  During the late 1980's we accepted hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Russian and Ukrainian jews in refugee status when the Soviets decided they wanted to be rid of them. After Vietnam, we brought in thousands of former allies as refugees so their heads wouldn't roll with the change of government. I suspect we will have some Afgans and Iraqi re-settled here before that mess is finished.

Yes, it has happened in the past, but it was by design and under government sponsorship.  However, Russians and Ukrainians need not apply at this time.


The key word here is "sponsorship", every immigrant needs a sponsor of some kind, an individual, a school, a cooperation, or even the government itself can sponsor an immigrant, but everybody arriving legally has some form of sponsorship.

[Bruno]

Yes, it has happened in the past, but it was by design and under government sponsorship. However, Russians and Ukrainians need not apply at this time.

The key word here is "sponsorship", every immigrant needs a sponsor of some kind, an individual, a school, a cooperation, or even the government itself can sponsor an immigrant, but everybody arriving legally has some form of sponsorship.

Thank for the reply... actually, the only russian who can receive the status of refugiees now in Belgium are these from Tchechenie...

But each case is analysed... some receive these status for a very short time, the time for urgent medical help in case it is not possible in the home country...

[PeeWee]

Yes, the USA does accept refugees under certain circumstances. It would depend on how US foreign policy views the country of origin, i.e., a person from a country which has a democratic, freely elected, of the people, by the people, etc., government, would probably not be able to claim refugee status.

The young girl athlete mentioned, Nadia Comenchi, defected from a communist country at the time, so she qualified. During the late 1980's we accepted hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Russian and Ukrainian jews in refugee status when the Soviets decided they wanted to be rid of them. After Vietnam, we brought in thousands of former allies as refugees so their heads wouldn't roll with the change of government. I suspect we will have some Afgans and Iraqi re-settled here before that mess is finished.

Yes, it has happened in the past, but it was by design and under government sponsorship. However, Russians and Ukrainians need not apply at this time.


The key word here is "sponsorship", every immigrant needs a sponsor of some kind, an individual, a school, a cooperation, or even the government itself can sponsor an immigrant, but everybody arriving legally has some form of sponsorship.

Do you recall who sponsored Anna Kournekova?

 

PeeWee

[BC]

probably adidas.

[Bruno]

First coach in Russia was Larisa Preobrazhenskaya; moved to Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy in Bradenton, Florida, in February of 1992 with her mother and stayed until moving to Miami in 1997

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[PeeWee]

probably adidas.

 LOL! So, a business entity can sponsor an immigrant. How unusual. As if by magic, I think.

As I understand it then there are several ways for one to gain sponsorship.

1 K-1, 2. Business, 3. Government, 4. Organizations (schools), 5. Family members already living in US.  Any others?

We all agree that a sponsor is needed. My situation does not involve K-1 sponsorship nor did I sponsor her. My original question was, what happens after someone passes through a POE? Let me qualify that. A sponsor sponsored her, the proper visa process was followed (how could she have been her had that not happened?), she arrived, stayed for a while, and then left. For my knowledge what would be the next step after one passes through US immigrations had they not inadvedrtantly returned to Russia because of an unsual situation which is unique to them and to them alone? Does it depended on the type of visa?

PeeWee

 

PeeWee 

[ConnerVT]

probably adidas.

You are most likely correct, and by now she probably possesses a green card.  I would imagine she originally arrived with some form of work visa, as I hear she has special skills that not many have.  It is rumored to be the ability to play tennis, although there are many who are still waiting for her to demonstrate this. 

I once had a client who was (is?) the coach of an international sports team.  He was sponsored by an American athletic equipment company.

[PeeWee]

probably adidas.

You are most likely correct, and by now she probably possesses a green card.  I would imagine she originally arrived with some form of work visa, as I hear she has special skills that not many have.  It is rumored to be the ability to play tennis, although there are many who are still waiting for her to demonstrate this. 

I once had a client who was (is?) the coach of an international sports team.  He was sponsored by an American athletic equipment company.
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Oh...specail skills..unique situations. Hmmmm...so it would seem that at least two Russians blew in under the guise of "specail atheleitc skills" sponsored by a crafty sports equipment company. I wonder, if by chance, those two were lucky or that there just might be a few other former or present Olympians or even professional athelets who might take note and follow in their foot steps? Just a thought but my point is that these things do happen in some rare instances for reasons that are not of the norm.

I'd quess that the K-1 process is what 90% or better of the repesentative method for getting said concubine from there to here. It does not apply to me and when she does eventually rearrive here I'm not so sure that she is the one I would marry anyway. I'm a bit miffed at her and her attitude at the moment, so the jury remains out for the time being.

PeeWee

[ConnerVT]

I once had a client who was (is?) the coach of an international sports team.  He was sponsored by an American athletic equipment company.

Oh...specail skills..unique situations. Hmmmm...so it would seem that at least two Russians blew in under the guise of "specail atheleitc skills" sponsored by a crafty sports equipment company. [/quote]

Actually, he is Austrian.  Don't make facts out of things that aren't there to support your case.

Craftiness isn't needed for a business to sponsor a foreign national.  The person needs to possess a special skill that isn't easily found among US applicants for the work.  Scientists, engineers, corporate officers, artists, and yes, even athletes.  The company files the appropriate paperwork, pay a large fee, and certify that they take "responsibility" for the person (ie. sponsor them).

The key is a special skill.  A world competitive athlete.  My wife can play a little tennis also, but I don't think she would have been able to get a visa for it...

[PeeWee]

I once had a client who was (is?) the coach of an international sports team.  He was sponsored by an American athletic equipment company.

Oh...specail skills..unique situations. Hmmmm...so it would seem that at least two Russians blew in under the guise of "specail atheleitc skills" sponsored by a crafty sports equipment company. [/quote]

Actually, he is Austrian.  Don't make facts out of things that aren't there to support your case.

Craftiness isn't needed for a business to sponsor a foreign national.  The person needs to possess a special skill that isn't easily found among US applicants for the work.  Scientists, engineers, corporate officers, artists, and yes, even athletes.  The company files the appropriate paperwork, pay a large fee, and certify that they take "responsibility" for the person (ie. sponsor them).

The key is a special skill.  A world competitive athlete.  My wife can play a little tennis also, but I don't think she would have been able to get a visa for it...

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Whether he was an Austrian or an Australian or a Russian it makes little difference. Fact is you did jot say where he was from so let's not split hairs here. My point it does happen and why are you being so resistant about it, conner?

Pee Wee

[ConnerVT]

I tire of people who only read what they want to convince themselves they are correct.  It's called wish fulfillment.

If you want to know the details about your friend's visa, ask her.  Then hire an immigration attorney.

[PeeWee]

I tire of people who only read what they want to convince themselves they are correct.  It's called wish fulfillment.

If you want to know the details about your friend's visa, ask her.  Then hire an immigration attorney.

And I am equally tired of those who make statements based on assumptions. You being one of the bigger offenders. An immigration attorney has been retained. In that regard you offer me nothing original in thought. But I am correct in what I do beleive that I know. She is the one who is asking me about her visa and status. She does not completely understand the insuing process, hence the attorney.

I can call the attorney but when I asked the original question the attorney was not available me. For some crazy reason I thought someone would have an answer to what I thought was a simple question. But as Monday approaches, hence an opportunity to call the attorney, no one here has come up with an answer to the original and then later restated question. yet we have  three pages of other retoric and no where an answer is in site. And what have you contributed to this,  conner? Not much it seems. If you don't have something of value to post try not to post. OK?

PeeWee

[ConnerVT]

Time for my old tag line again...  :?

[jb]

Peewee,

Several people attempted to give you a steer in the right direction, however your question was so terribly vague there could not be a more definitive answer.  I asked for more details, Conner asked as well, nothing more was forthcoming from your end over the last 3 days since you started the thread.  Most men actually talk to their ladies daily, you apparently haven't have a conversation with yours in 3+ days.  If you aren't interested, why should we be?

The bottom line is, your g/f will arrive, get her visa inspected, her passport stamped, and nothing will arrive in the mail until some more paperwork is completed by her, or her lawyer.  Since you are not her sponsor in this case, it's really no skin off your nose one way or the other.  I can tell you this much, she will likely not get the temp EAD at the POE.   She may be eligible for a Green Card down the road if her lawyer has pushed through a I-191 petition (just my guess as that's what I'd have done in her case) on her behalf, but you can't seem to give us enough data to make even a slightly educated guess about anything.

So please, don't get pissy with us just because we don't know off the top of our heads the answers to all your questions.  The US  Immigration Code is just about as complex as the US Tax Code, none of us know all there is to know about it.  I have brought a wife and step children through the immigration process and I know far more about the Immigration Code than I ever wanted to know, but I don't know everything.

If you decide to marry, sooner or later your going to have to get off your backside and hit the books yourself.

[PeeWee]

Peewee,

Several people attempted to give you a steer in the right direction, however your question was so terribly vague there could not be a more definitive answer. I asked for more details, Conner asked as well, nothing more was forthcoming from your end over the last 3 days since you started the thread. Most men actually talk to their ladies daily, you apparently haven't have a conversation with yours in 3+ days. If you aren't interested, why should we be?

The bottom line is, your g/f will arrive, get her visa inspected, her passport stamped, and nothing will arrive in the mail until some more paperwork is completed by her, or her lawyer. Since you are not her sponsor in this case, it's really no skin off your nose one way or the other. I can tell you this much, she will likely not get the temp EAD at the POE. She may be eligible for a Green Card down the road if her lawyer has pushed through a I-191 petition (just my guess as that's what I'd have done in her case) on her behalf, but you can't seem to give us enough data to make even a slightly educated guess about anything.

So please, don't get pissy with us just because we don't know off the top of our heads the answers to all your questions. The US Immigration Code is just about as complex as the US Tax Code, none of us know all there is to know about it. I have brought a wife and step children through the immigration process and I know far more about the Immigration Code than I ever wanted to know, but I don't know everything.

If you decide to marry, sooner or later your going to have to get off your backside and hit the books yourself.

Finally...it's like pulling teeth. Again, another assumption. You assume that I can talk to her on a daily basis. Not the case. She is often not available for up to a week at a time. That is the way it is. I am not most men so you need not presume that I need to follow your precription by calling her each day  to be successful at what I do. To have a need to call someone everyday is not for me anyway.

Your explaination is great. That was what I needed to know. I thank you for that.

PeeWee

 

PeeWee

[PeeWee]

you know, jb, you are right. I don't have much information about the process, which was why I asked the question to begin with. All I know is that she processed through immigragtion, stayed for a few weeks, and then left the country. Her attorney told me and the immigrations told her that something would be mailed to her US address with in a few months. I've long since forgotten what it was. It seems to me that it would have been much easier for everyone concerned if she has simply remained in the US until this process has time to complete itself.  

PeeWee

 

[jb]

Peewee,

According to the BCIS Handbook, a person who enters into the immigration process, then subsequently leaves the country for a period greater than six months in a calender year is considered to have abandoned the process. The case is shelved after no activity for over six months.  

The I-191 petition is for a legal permanent resident of the United States to apply for permission to return to their home in the United States after time spent outside the United States.  The problem is:  I don't know if she, your g/f, ever achieved "legal permament resident" status or not.

I'm sure lawyers know tricks that I do not, but I'd say it's a crap shoot either way.  The BCIS can be fickle and may hassle her if she's been away for more than the allowable time.  I wouldn't go counting chickens just yet.


 

[PeeWee]

Peewee,

According to the BCIS Handbook, a person who enters into the immigration process, then subsequently leaves the country for a period greater than six months in a calender year is considered to have abandoned the process. The case is shelved after no activity for over six months.

The I-191 petition is for a legal permanent resident of the United States to apply for permission to return to their home in the United States after time spent outside the United States. The problem is: I don't know if she, your g/f, ever achieved "legal permament resident" status or not.

I'm sure lawyers know tricks that I do not, but I'd say it's a crap shoot either way. The BCIS can be fickle and may hassle her if she's been away for more than the allowable time. I wouldn't go counting chickens just yet.

It is a much greater problem for her than it is for me. I am here, she is not. There isn't anything that I can do for her at this point. What has stopped the process is that when she entered the country immigrations told her that she would be mailed a document within several months of her arrival. the attorney also said that a document would be mailed to her and if it was not then she would file for something else. No document was mailed so somethng else was filed. At the time I was told this it seemed so routine to me that I did not note the various form numbers. Now I will call the lawyer and get a list of what those forms are and the sequence of events that will follow.

PeeWee

[jb]

One thing I have learned in my dealings with the BCIS is that there is nothing routine about anything.  Every step, every bit of paper submitted, is a potential ball buster.  Unlike other government agencies, BCIS is fee driven, instead of running on tax dollars.  That's good for the average tax paying citizen, but not so good for those of us who use the services.  When the BCIS Service Centers get overloaded with cases, they can't just hire more agents to handle the additional work load.  What they do is to take on temps, called "Casuals", and pay them some substandard wage to push paper. What results is that important bits and pieces get lost in the shuffle, and this is never a good thing.

Whenever a more complicated case comes along that has out-of-the-ordinary aspects, it gets kicked upstairs to more experienced case officers.  The more complicated the case, the higher up it goes.  This doesn't sound too bad at first glance, however those higher echelon case officers have much greater authority and are more willing to apply stricter standards for approval.

While it doesn't apply to your g/f's case, I believe the trick to getting things accomplished in quick order with the BCIS is to apply the KISS principal.  "Keep It Simple Stupid".  Put your application package together exactly as described in the Handbook, right down to the style and brand name of fasterners and folders. They specify a two hole punch, top mounted ANSCO fasterner, go to the office supply store and buy the right stuff. Don't make some lower level clerk feel the need to kick it upstairs.

This case is probably being handled at a higher level anyway simply because it is being submitted by a lawyer. This will make the case officers pay closer attention to dotting the "i"'s and crossing the "t"'s, no one wants to be seen as unprofessional.  Unfortunately for her, these case officers are not lawyers themselves and everybody gets a kick out of tweaking a lawyer's nose and winning, that's human nature.

As I said, IMHO, it's all a crap shoot at this point.