Looking for country girl

[Lily]

A RW who says all  available men in her country are bad or an WM who says available women in his country are bad has problems.

You meet a RW who says she does not like RM best to say "next".  Samething for the RW.  Meet a WM who says women in his country are no good - tell him nice to meet you goodbye.

That being said I am sure RW and WM who say this maybe good people and maybe good marriage material.  Better to have a stronger answer why your looking and not just say foreigner.  Trust me many girls I know in Kiev hate when men talk bad about women in their country. 

kievstar, as a RW I would not say it that "all available" RM are bad, but IMHO the general tendency is somehow that way, to say it diplomatically

In Russia, there are a number of factors that make couples of RW and WM a very good option. The factors may be Russian patriarchalism, tendency to marry rather young, eagerness of RW to have a man, early male death, etc, etc. This leaves many RW with few choices.

[Misha]

Миша, взять с потолка - когда не знаешь ответа, закатил глаза кверху (к потолку) и нашел там ответ.   

Это более понятно. Спасибо!

[OlgaH]

Again, I am giving you my analysis of what I read posted on this site.
... but the main motivation IN MY OPINION is looks. This is seen in the most common remark that is made by AM ...

OK in you opinion he main motivation is looks

Misha, but when you wrote "most time yes" on my question to you

Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

How many posts did you find in this board where AM wrote that they were looking for a date in Russia because their looks and assets do not let them to date a local women?

[Misha]

How many posts did you find in this board where AM wrote that they were looking for a date in Russia because their looks and assets do not let them to date a local women?

Of course they won't say that. Every man wants to think they are hot and rich and successful and that every woman is lusting after them. It is always easier to blame those lazy, fat, feminist, man-hating, eating their children alive AW (I am being facetious here).

[OlgaH]

Of course they won't say that.

So, where did you get your "most time yes" from?

[Misha]

So, where did you get your "most time yes" from?

Well Olga, quite simple. I look at the phots posted, I read the comments of the men, I have looked at the sites such as "Hot Russian Brides" and "Elena's Models" and I have even read Elena's how-to-guide on how to find a foreign husband (go see zamuzh.com), and have come to the reasonable conclusion that the main motivator is looks. Can you provide any information that would prove to me that I am wrong? Find me cases where men chose women that were clearly not attractive, overlooking more attractive women, simply because they wanted a more traditional woman or a woman with more Russian Soul.

[OlgaH]

Find me cases where men chose women that were clearly not attractive, overlooking more attractive women, simply because they wanted a more traditional woman or a woman with more Russian Soul.

Misha I'm not talking about attractiveness and soul of Russian women.

My question was:

Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

You have answered:

Most times yes...

My next question was:

How many posts did you find in this board where AM wrote that they were looking for a date in Russia because their looks and assets do not let them to date a local women?

You have answered

Of course they won't say that.

So my question is if American men won't say that they looking for a date in Russia because their looks and assets don't let them to date a local women, where did you get the information for your answer "most time yes" on my question to you "Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?"





 

[Misha]

So my question is if American men won't say that they looking for a date in Russia because their looks and assets don't let them to date a local women, where did you get the information for your answer "most time yes" on my question to you "Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?"

Olga, I give up. Having any kind of discussion with you is impossible. Again, based on my reading of the many thousands of posts, and based on my visiting the numerous agency sites, and my reading the "advice" given to potential clients by the owner of Elena's models, I have come to conclusion that the main motivation that men are motivated by the desire to find a more beautiful woman overseas, but they will often say something else. It is like the old cliché about men buying Playboy magazine for the articles: i.e. they would buy the magazine for the photos, but justify their purchase by saying they wanted to read the articles. I keep answering your question, and you keep asking me the same thing. Sorry Olga, but you are going on my ignore list. Please put me on yours as well. 

[OlgaH]

I have come to conclusion that the main motivation that men are motivated by the desire to find a more beautiful woman overseas

but it was not your main conclusion that you expressed first .

Your first main conclusion was:

Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

Most times yes, and most times they will claim other reasons

Does it mean that you simply say that the men on this board looking for a date in Russia because their looks and assets don't meet the requirements of the local women, but men don't want to admit the main reason and try to cover it with any other reasons?

Having any kind of discussion with you is impossible.

People who are trying to wiggle with their answers can not have any kind of discussion with me.  It is just impossible. So probably it is better if you will put me in ignore     

[Jack]

Olga, I give up. Having any kind of discussion with you is impossible.

Join the crowd.

I have come to conclusion that the main motivation that men are motivated by the desire to find a more beautiful woman overseas,

Agreed. I think their is room for little debate with this being a fairly accurate conclusion. Of course their will always be the exception.

but they will often say something else.

It's probably because they don't want to be considered "shallow". 

I say what the heck, just admit it. Most of us are seeking a beautiful and fit woman of culture and class, elegance and grace, that we cannot find at home.  And of course that sexy Russian accent doesn't hurt.   

The problem comes when these men are not reasonable.  Hey!,  even nerds need love and I will say for every nerd looking for a FSU bride their is someone for him.  The problem is when these nerds, and non-nerds, are not reasonable in their expectations.

When I run across a guy not reasonable I would just as soon let him go to someone else for help.  How does one define "reasonable"?   This will and can differ from person to person of course. My definition is each and every man can upgrade by 1.5.   Not 2, not 3, but 1.5.

What do I mean by this?  First you have to be honest with yourself and give yourself a grade, one thru 10.  If your a 7, and you give yourself a 7, then you can expect, within reason, to be able to find a Russian/Ukraine/FSU woman who is an 8.5. An upgrade of 1.5.

If you are a 6.5, look for women up to 8, but do not waste your time with 8.5's, 9's, 10's.

If you are a man who thinks he is an 8, then you can seek that 9.5. If you are a 9, then you are one of the few who can truly seek, with any relative chance, of getting a 9.5 or 10.

If you are a 7.5 forget the 10's, the 9.5's, they are out of your reach. Take the 8.5 or 9 and be happy.

Of course their will always be exceptions. I did get to witness first hand recently a wonderful reunion with a man I consider a  5 with a Ukraine woman of 7.5.  An upgrade of  2.5!  It does happen, but not so often. It is the exception, not the norm, but a lot of guys feel they are the exception. Not everyone will be the exception but it's hard to get that  through a lot of guys head. 

[OlgaH]

Most of us are seeking a beautiful and fit woman of culture and class, elegance and grace, that we cannot find at home.  And of course that sexy Russian accent doesn't hurt.

Jack,

Do you agree or disagree with Misha that most of you, men who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because you looks and assets do not let you to date and marry a local woman and you cover it with other reasons as to find " a woman of culture and class, elegance and grace, that you cannot find at home"?

Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

Most times yes, and most times they will claim other reasons

[Jack]

Jack,
Are agree or disagree with Misha that most of you, men who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because you looks and assets do not let you to date and marry a local woman?

I have not read all of Misha's post to say I will agree or disagree with what he has posted, but if you ask that same question to me I guess I did not make my opinion clear to you from my previous post (going back to what Misha said in trying to communicate with you) .

My answer to your question would be   YES.   provided you add women who are beautiful, fit, are women of culture and class, elegance and grace. 

I know of NO American/Canadian men who would travel to Russia or Ukraine seeking an unattracive, un-fit woman of little or no class or culture. That American/Canadian man can find thousands of those type of women without leaving his local city.

[OlgaH]

I have not read all of Misha's post to say I will agree or disagree with what he has posted, but if you ask that same question to me...

Jack,

My first question to Misha was

Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

His first answer was

Most times yes, and most times they will claim other reasons

Do you agree with Misha that most of  members on this board  look for a date and wife in Russia because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

 

I did not make my opinion clear to you from my previous post (going back to what Misha said in trying to communicate with you) .

You will make your opinion clear if you will give your straight answer on my question. If you will try to wiggle with your answers you also will have a problem communicating with me 

[Jack]

You will make your opinion clear if you will give your straight answer on my question.

You mean my answer was not clear?    geeezzz   

Do you agree with Misha that most of  members on this board  look for a date and wife in Russia because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

Misha can speak for himself.   Now see if you can understand what I am saying.    Most members on this board look for a wife in Ukraine, Russia, or the other FSU countries, because their looks, assets, wishes, dreams, goals and determination, do not allow them to marry a woman of beauty, who is fit, has class, culture, grace, elegance and education in a woman he can find locally.  Thus, he looks to the FSU.

[OlgaH]

Most members on this board look for a wife in Ukraine, Russia, or the other FSU countries, because their looks, assets, wishes, dreams, goals and determination, do not allow them to marry a woman of beauty, who is fit, has class, culture, grace, elegance and education in a woman he can find locally.  Thus, he looks to the FSU.

Jack on the first place you put looks and assets. Why? Do you think that the looks and assets are the main reason that doesn't allow men on this board to marry a woman of beauty that they can find locally?

Please answer just "yes" or "no" on my question and please without wigging 

Do you agree with Misha that the most of  members on this board  look for a date and wife in Russia because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

[ca71447]

For Olga & Jack ...

Just my 2 cents worth .... I think what is meant is that if you want a woman of culture, class, good looks, good personality, accepting, and really willing to work at a relationship, and who will remain faithful, be supportive and encouraging ... the best choices are the FSUW/UW. 

[Doll]

And what about thousands of AW with looks and other good qualities that I see every day around?  Why go so far ?
There are hundreds thousands of them here.

[Doll]

I think what is meant is that if you want a woman of culture, class, good looks, good personality, accepting, and really willing to work at a relationship, and who will remain faithful, be supportive and encouraging ... the best choices are the FSUW/UW. 

The best choice  is to look around.

[Doll]

The best choice is to look around if you understand that the price for younger-prettier-more educated etc is the color of your passports guys.
I am sure you do understand it.

[felix8787]

Interesting topic
OlgaH, I have read the other post by Misha, you and Jack. And this is my observation on this and IMO, he answered your question and followed up with how he came to that conclusion example:

Olga, I give up. Having any kind of discussion with you is impossible. Again, based on my reading of the many thousands of posts, and based on my visiting the numerous agency sites, and my reading the "advice" given to potential clients by the owner of Elena's models, I have come to conclusion that the main motivation that men are motivated by the desire to find a more beautiful woman overseas, but they will often say something else. It is like the old cliché about men buying Playboy magazine for the articles: i.e. they would buy the magazine for the photos, but justify their purchase by saying they wanted to read the articles. I keep answering your question, and you keep asking me the same thing. Sorry Olga, but you are going on my ignore list. Please put me on yours as well.  

but for some unknown reason, you won't accept his answer and keep asking the same question and get the same answer. And you did the same thing with Jack, example:

My answer to your question would be   YES.   provided you add women who are beautiful, fit, are women of culture and class, elegance and grace.  

I know of NO American/Canadian men who would travel to Russia or Ukraine seeking an unattracive, un-fit woman of little or no class or culture. That American/Canadian man can find thousands of those type of women without leaving his local city.

Yet you think that they are trying to wiggle their way out of answering something that they have already answer.

People who are trying to wiggle with their answers can not have any kind of discussion with me.  It is just impossible.    

This is just my 2 cents and don't take sides with anyone, but yet I can't understand how their answers that they have said could not be any clearer to your question.

[OlgaH]

Interesting topic
OlgaH, I have read the other post by Misha, you and Jack.

felix8787,

My question was

Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

Misha's first answer was

Most times yes, and most times they will claim other reasons (search for a more traditional woman, cultured women, etc...). If you look at the postings, the most common complaints that always comes up is that American women are overweight (to put it politely). If the men in the MOB thought they could get an equally attractive women at home, few would ever leave their homes in search of foreign brides.

So IMO it means that the main reason why men, members of this board, are looking a woman overseas is their looks and assets don't let them date a local woman, but men don't want to mention the main reason and try to cover it with others reason as "search for a more traditional woman, cultured women, etc..."

Jack wrote

Most of us are seeking a beautiful and fit woman of culture and class, elegance and grace, that we cannot find at home.  And of course that sexy Russian accent doesn't hurt.   

He did not mentioned the looks and assets as the main reason, but he also did not say that he disagrees with Misha

felix8787,

you can give your answer what is your main reason for looking a woman overseas here, of course if you don't feel shy or you are not embarrassed with your main reason. 

[Jack]

OlgaH, I have read the other post by Misha, you and Jack. And this is my observation on this and IMO, he answered your question and followed up with how he came to that conclusion  but for some unknown reason, you won't accept his answer and keep asking the same question and get the same answer. And you did the same thing with Jack,..   
I can't understand how their answers that they have said could not be any clearer to your question.

Felix, like Misha, and others, I have come to the conclusion that trying to talk sense with OlgaH is like talking to a brick wall
and a complete waste of one's time.

The best choice is to look around if you understand that the price for younger-prettier-more educated etc is the color of your passports guys. I am sure you do understand it.

Doll, I question  "Do you understand it?"

What you are referring to,  young, pretty ladies who would leave Russia or Ukraine, the FSU,  just for that blue passport is old news that one could easily see in force during the early, mid, and to a degree, the late 90's. That is old history you are throwing up today. If you are suggesting  that many, most, of today's young and pretty women are marrying foreign men due to their passport, in my opinion you are mistaken.  Just like with newspapers, good stories don't make the newspapers, it's the bad one's.  Of course their are some women doing this, it goes without saying, but these women are mostly in the minority, although they are usually the women pointed out and mentioned, just as with bad news.   

Doll, today things are not so bad in Moscow, in Kiev, in St. Pete and Odessa. These young and pretty ladies do NOT need to marry just for a passport, these young and pretty women have so much interest from local and foreign men, that if they do choose a foreign man he will probably be handsome, younger and well off, but she might just as well stay with a handsome, well off local man. She is not looking at his passport. 

It is true in cities off the beaten path, cities that are economically, and environmentally depressed, men still have the opportunity to find that model type wife and yes, the percentage of these women seeking a different colored passport will be higher, but I think no where as high a percentage as you are trying to indicate.

[Ooooops]

By the way, "sexy Russian accent " doesn't last long so don't count on it   

[Jack]

Ooooops, would you define long in your opinion?

How long is long?

[Ooooops]

Ooooops, would you define long in your opinion?

How long is long?

It started wearing off about 7-8 years down the road, now, after almost 16 years away from Russia, nobody can place me on the map