Help does anyone know confidentialconnections.com?

[tim 360]

You can be sure that many of the ladies are just fine.  I was not trying to slam the ladies at all.  They sign up with an agency and are really unaware of the spamming or anything else. 

Alot also depends upon ones point of view.  The letter spam is just a way for them to draw some attention to the particuliar woman.  Drum up some biz.  They are a biz with bills to pay so if they can interest some guys in some of their women,  it seems like a good biz idea...for them.  For some unsuspecting guy....maybe not so good.  Who knows,  maybe because of some letter spam,  guys write and come over and get married.  Anyway,  if you can't get guys to write---they sure won't be coming over for a visit.  One has to pique their interest....to get the guys writing and coming over.  This tactic is not confined to this agency alone,  I think more and more resort to it.  Some are much worse than this one.

As far as the overcharging,  just say nyet if you think you are getting gouged.  But,  good service does cost good money.  At any rate you will meet this lady soon and if things click,  you will be past the agency and you and she can deal with each other one on one.

Personally,  if I was very interested in one of their ladies I would not have a huge problem using them,  but I would keep my eyes open and be very aware.  Just too many complaints about them.

[Voyageur]

Docetae,

I would suggest that you plan to meet your "penpal" very soon, because  it is likely that you are writing to an interpreter. They are very good  at writing letters, I learned this the hard way, going against very  good advice.  Good luck.

[srsol]

CC also has a foreing agency in Argentina - I caught their "Kharkov" agency in a scam letter situation as I also caught their agency in Argentina.  I happen to know both women who "wrote me" and actually emailed them both their separate letters.  Both deny writing me every other day for 30 days (I had the "monthly special").  And both were quite shocked with the liberal talk and emotion that the agency was using.

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!

And if the agency owner has a problem with me, of course, feel free to PM - we can always "chat" and resolve this matter . . . . here in CA preferrably as mma is now legal.    

 

[Kevin]

Are people still asking about this agency after all of the posting about it.


I checked my profile on their site and is still shows me as a cartoon picture  of a dwarf and his description. Plus under the about me section I said  clearly if you send me a letter you are trying to scam me and I'm using this profile to see if anyone read it.. 

I still get letters daily from ladies who claim they have read my  profile and want to meet me.  Their kherson office uses profiles  that they by from others..

My advice is to stick with agencies that are honest and don't spam with false letters.

Kevin

[DogFace]

 

I think I might be one lucky SOB.  

 

I have used CC for 3 trips.  One to meet many, one to focus on just one girl (from the 1^st trip) and one in another part of the country.  I wrote many across the Ukraine, then zeroed in and cast a wider net in one particular city. 

 

First trip, I focused on 5 girls with 3 back ups planned.  I met 80% of the girls I was writing.  All were familiar with things I had written them.  I met 100% of the back up girls.  83% real women.

 

Second trip, object of my affection had 2^nd thoughts.  Whether due to forces from the agency or not, it did not work out.  I met 50% of the girls that I scrambled to meet.  Here there were no previous letter exchanges.  The main explanation given was that the girls were in their home towns since school was out.  I used a second agency as a back up, but none of those girls were available and I had been writing them for 2 months or so.

 

Third trip was to another town, wrote 5 and 2 were available. 40%  Spending time with the franchise owner, I met many of the women I had seen on the website. (Approximately 7) They would come in to exchange a pile of letters to be translated.  Two of these girls recognized me from when I had been writing them but for some different reasons I did not go there to meet.

 

Met one girl on a few occasions, not dating, just in passing who expressed an interest.  Began writing after I returned home, went back on a 4^th trip, (not with CC), up graded from hotel to apartment, secured my own translation support, got engaged, blah blah blah.

 

So I took an expensive route to get where I am.  I was way-laid (so to speak) with that 2^nd trip, but I cannot see that the agency was directly responsible.  I cannot make any recommendations as to the other services that might be provided by CC.  The night manager working the hotel for my 1^st two trips was well prepared to offer some names from his black book, but I never thought of that as a CC directed activity, just his entrepreneurialism.

 

 

(sorry for my low post count.  I will try to become more "truthful" as time passes.)

 

 

[Kevin]

Dogface
I'll be the first one to ask.
What cites and how many letters did you get that weren't from ladies who knew you?

CC used many agents and I'm sure they have some honest ones in their  with the dishonest ones. That is why it is sometime hard to judge a  network with many agents.

but as a whole the owners of CC know what is going on and I haven't  seen any evidence that they care. In fact I sent them a email about  some married ladies on their site that are still their today.

Kevin

[DogFace]

I have gotten so many emails from CC women that I have never had any interest in writing - too many to count. From all their agency cities, too, not just the 2 I visited.  

In fact, one letter came in today with a first paragraph sentence reminding me that I had looked at her photos and profile  and she was wondering if I liked what I saw.  So they track me like Amazon and the local grocery store do.  They need to go one more step and assess the characteristics of the women I was looking at to better target their product placement.

As for getting lots of introductory letters now that I am focused on one lady (outside any agency), my ISP provided email service allows me to have multiple email named accounts.  So it is easy to turn off he never ending emails that I hear will come about from using CC..

I will share with you what emails DID worry me.  During my separation, waiting for my divorce, my niece was aware that I spent a lot of time alone, so she convinced her friends to mail me letters (and some with photos, just like those international dating sites her father mentioned one time.)  She called to say she had some to send (thank god), so I could call it all off!  I could see my wife bringing up letters and photos from 14 and 15 yr old girls during our divorce proceedings!

Of course now I could use those photos to set up my own scam site!

Dogie

 

 

[Kevin]

Dogface
 You are very lucky or a CC employee. I had a client in the  office  who came to meet his CC lady with a surprise visit after  many months of writing.  Just so happen she was in my agency  too.   We later found out that her profile was sold to CC.

He couldn't find the CC office so he came by my office and we called  the lady for him.  She had no ideal who he was and didn't even  know her profile was in the CC database. 
I have another client is coming to Kherson who has been writing some  ladies from my site and has his heart set on one of the hot CC ladies  from Kherson also. 

We called the CC office in advance to make sure she was aware of this  men per the client request and to help setup a meeting.   We  didn't expect the CC office to help but they have agreed to arrange the  meetting with the lady for the client.  Of course for a small fee  of $50 paid in advance. The going rate in kherson for a meeting is  $20-$25.

I'll post after the meeting to see if she was the writer or not.

Kevin

[enigma_julie]

One of my friends from US used this agency to write to girlsin Ukraine. He chose quiet a number of girls in different cities and then after writing letters for about 4 months made a long trip to Ukraine to meet the girls he was writing.

He did not pay the agency for the trip, he told them he would contact them once he is in the city already as ask them to introduce him to the girls. He paid for all the introductions beforehand of course.

He was only able to meet 3 of the girls on his list out of 18 - 20 he had been writing to. I was there with him as his interpreter and was a witness of bad planning on behalf of staff, lack of respect on behalf or directors and lots of fake letters send to US client before his trip here.

I think may be they treated him this way because he did not buy a package from them and just wanted to pay for introductions? Not sure, but the communication with CC did not leave any good memories with that poor guy.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

CC now charges USA citizens $100 additional for introductions only!!!

USA citizens only! If you DO NOT take a trip with our company and come on a visit by trip Introduction(s), we will charge you $100.00 to process your questioner, search database for sex offender and make a letter for a lady.
www.confidentialconnections.com/engl/trips_price.html 

[Kevin]

$100 to complete the questionaire is a scam. I only charge my clients a one time  fee of $15 for the translation and sex offender check and he can use it on as many ladies as he wants.  There is no background check required.  It is a simple Questionaire that the clients fills out and a quick internet check of the sex offender list and we're done. The hardest part is translating it for the ladies.

Any agency charges more then $30 for this service should be blacklisted.

Kevin

 

[BeenThereDoneThat]

While I certainly have nothing against any legitimate women who are truly sincere in their efforts at any agency, good or bad, I hope we all see the day that American men stopped getting raped out of their hard-earned money so some agency owner can get rich. If enough guys continue to come forward, we can shut down the scam agencies that are out there. But remember guys, many of the agencies out there that do scam also have some of the slickest operations. But let's be honest, when we speak of scam agencies, there are many out there, but normally those agencies eventually go out of business, yet, why does the monster known as ConMan Connect keep getting bigger?

[enigma_julie]

"yet, why does the monster known as ConMan Connect keep getting bigger?"

May be one of the reasons is that you guys just dedicated 2 pages of the forum to this agency? Free promition brings its results, huh?

[BeenThereDoneThat]

I doubt it. Most of what I have read has been negative. And there are always newbies on here, so I think if a complaint has merit, or something new is happening whether good or bad, it should be posted to inform others who are just reading this for the first time. I used many questionable agenies, and I wish I had known about this board beforehand. Lastly, I keep hearing about repetitive threads, but the bottom line if it is information it need to be reported, and most guys do not search thru all the old threads to find info. Anyway, the monster getting bigger has alot to do with slick marketing. This forum board has helped to educate people on the good and bad in dating FSU women abroad and to inform them about the agencies which market different dating services.

[Kevin]

The word is getting out about CC. Just google them.

I just took a look at CC website rates and compared it to my rates posted at kherson). The same American who would walk into my office would pay a one time fee of $15 to complete the required legal documents and $25 per meeting.  Again a big difference.

CC just became the most expensive agency in Kherson.


 Kevin

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Hey, you guys are first on my list. My next trip, I will be sure to look you guys up at KhersonGirls.com. From research, and a friend who used you, your agency is reputable and fair priced. And please accept my congratulations on finding a wonderful lady as your wife. That's what it is all about. The good women are there in the FSU, you just have to sift thru all the crap to find them sometimes. Ironic, but at agencies like ConMan Connect, many of the women don't even know that they are part of the Con. Then again, many elite list girls are paid for being listed. It's a joke, but many men never see this forum board, and do like me, and buy into the slick web site, and spend the big money they charge you to play it safe. I'm leaving for Krasnodar Sunday to meet a girl that I have been writing since July. She seems like a good person, and she is NOT from ConMan connect or WifeCon. I was also going to visit the #1 elite list girl at the WifeCon Connect, but now I have to spend another $100 per girl to play their little game. Too bad, because I am bringing my own translator, and I am sure that could be interesting just speaking truths and no hype from a ConMan Connect translator. We shall see how it goes. Anyway you live and learn, and many will come to realize that there are alot of wonderful women living in Ukraine and Russia that are looking for a good man, and you can find your special lady if you are persistant and keep one eye on this board for good measure...

[BeenThereDoneThat]

[DogFace]

$100 for this service, is incredibly expensive, is the customer getting ripped off?  Yes I think so.  But is it a scam?  I don't think so.  CC is well on their way of pricing themselves out of business.

 

The customer is getting what he is paying for.  It would be a scam if the report generated was a forgery, or if it was lacking required portions of information that would be provided (for an additional fee, of course!), or if there were no real woman behind the deal.  But that would be the scam, not the $100.  It would be a scam at $15 wouldn't it?

 

The best "deal" yet is one agency I am dealing with telling me that if a relationship develops that goes to K-1, they tell me that I can state the girl and I met during a trip to her town and only used the agency for translation services.  Not introduction, no requirement for the service.  Now, from what I gather reading about scams here on RWD, it is not really a scam if I am in on it, right?

 

 

An actual question to Kevin:  In your interpretation of this law, does a relationship established (thru an agency) prior to the law's enactment require this additional hurdle?

[Turboguy]

Dogface, you are saying the plan you like best is the one that encourages you and her to both lie.  Cool.

I know you asked Kevin but the law only applies to couples that meet after March 6th using a "for pay" service that is not religiously based.

[DogFace]

Dogface, you are saying the plan you like best is the one that encourages you and her to both lie.  Cool.

 

Your words not mine.  I never indicated any preferance.

I was just commenting on others' conclusions that high price = scam.  I attempted to show that magnitude of price has nothing to do with scam.

The advice from one agency poc drives this point home.  At no cost there can be no scam.  (Again others' logic, not mine.)  It also alludes to my position on scamming.. No one can scam us.  We scam ourselves.

To close the loop I do prefer the $0 plan.  Here is why... 

While using agency x to meet woman y, I met woman z, on my own.  Always seeking convienance in life, I used agency x translators while in town (for a small fee, of course), and a 3-way translation service afterwards.  So the story was true. 

Unless you believe I am lieing here as well.


Doggie-do-do

[Turboguy]

You are correct.  You just said it was the best deal.  I was not infering anything about you Dogface.  If anything my thoughts were that I would wonder about an agency that encouraged it's customers to lie.

Actully if they are going to do all this IMBA garbage they sould set up a large national database.  Charge a one time fee to do a real criminal, sex offender and background check and then once it is done give you a number that you had to furnish each lady and include in all your correspondence and that she or they could pull up on the internet and if all was ok, it just gave them the information that all was good and if there were problems they could get more details.   Heck if we can have registered sex offenders why can't we have registered good guys.  No one would have to lie, no one would have much hastle and the goverment who always needs more money could collect the exhorbatant fees.

[Kevin]

Dogface

"An actual question to Kevin:  In your interpretation of this law, does a relationship established (Thur an agency) prior to the law's enactment require this additional hurdle?"

It is my understand that if you meet a lady prior to March 6th. You do not require the questionnaire. It is the policy of my agency not to require it if contact information has been exchange or a face to face meeting prior to the deadline.

The questionnaire is very simple and basic. The sex offender check is very quick and easy. It only take a few minutes to translate the answer for the ladies which typically is the word No.  Our web interface does most of the work for us.

In the old days you could just buy a bunch of ladies addresses and go solo though the cities looking for the ladies. But with many scam agencies selling false address many men still would end up at our office doors when they couldn't find the ladies.

Now today some of the agencies are not abiding by the law and still selling address in the hopes that the law is going to be removed. Only European Connections has the legal permission to do this, but others are doing it as well. My agency is following the law requirements until it is removed and not charging a ridicules price to our clients .

The problem with CC is they are requiring you to pay the high fee in order to meet a lady and not allowing you too meet her without doing it though their agents and using the services of their agents. A $100 fee to meet a lady is the highest meeting rate that I am aware of. As I've already posted a $15-$30 fee is reasonable to cover the cost of the translation and it is the agency that has to worry about the legal fines and not client.

I believe I'm one of the few agencies that you can walk into off the street with a competitor agency interpretor and meet a lady in our office for $25. It is done quite often in kherson.

Correction on the word choice of "scam" when referring to CC prices. A better word would had been overpriced as they do have the right to charge as high as the like.  The word scam should be left only to their letter that are sent out giving the impression that ladies are actually reading the mens profiles and are interested. Someone I can prove they are doing and the ladies are not reading the profiles.

Thanks
Kevin Hayes

[Drbic]

Just a little confirmation about Confidential Connections...

Here is some recent communitions....

From:   Lee J #123456   Status: Reply Sent.
To:   Elena L. #3735   View your message history with Elena

Date:   20 May 2006 13:44:40   
Subject:   Hello


Hello … Interpreter
I am writing you this letter with considerable glee. It is fun for me. I think you are a total con artist and very interesting. I think you will find yourself paying a price from your bad karma and the misrepresentation of what these women here trusted you with. I must tell you honestly that I will do everything I possibly can to expose your con. I will tell all of the scam websites I can list on about your practices. I will post your canned and fake replys that you wrote to me with the names of all girls wherever possible. I will report you to all of the legal authorities possible. I am honestly laughing at you because I know you think that you are safe from all recourse. Therefore it will be fun to prove you wrong. I believe that you have betrayed not only the men who write here but also the women who trusted you. You should be ashamed.
Lee

Her Reply


From:   Elena L. #3735   I want to reply to this E-Mail

To:   Lee J. #123456   View your message history with Elena

Date:   21 May 2006 06:38:08   
Subject:   Re: Hello                             Thank you for writing, I am not interested in replying (No Charge)


This letter was translated for Elena by translator 5.
Hello, Lee. Thank you for your letter for the interpreter, but I think that you are going to write to me. I think it is so nice of you to write all these things to my translator because my English is bad and I need someone to translate my letters. I’ve read you profile and I think that you are a very interesting, well bred and educated person. You have so many interesting hobbies. So I think that we have some common interests. I am fond of swimming, reading and gardening. So if you want to continue our correspondence and to get to know more about me, please write. You are welcome. I think you are not right as to my translator, you outrage her and I think it is not the right manner of a gentleman. May I ask you why are in this site?
I close my letter and I hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely yours, Elena

Interesting Letter from the translator:

From:   Elena P. #3234   I want to reply to this E-Mail  (please note this is on a different girls account)

To:   Lee J. #123623   View your message history with Elena

Date:   21 May 2006 09:45:14   
Subject:   Re: Hello                         Thank you for writing, I am not interested in replying (No Charge)


Dear Sir!
I have to say that I'm a bit confused with what you wrote in your letters to me. I'm an interpreter and only translate things which ladies dictate to me. Nothing more, nothing less. I do not know the reason why you wrote such letters but I can only suppose that you may have some kind of misunderstanding with the lady you have been corresponding. But again it is only guess. And in such manner nothing can be for sure. I think that blaming me you could at least tell the reason why you say so. And maybe in this case I could know for what I should be ashamed. For the fact that I help people to communicate with each other or for the fact that several my ladies clients got married and live happy life with their husbands over abroad?
With the best regards,
Jane.

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I am of the opinion that Confidential Connections is just what it says it is a Con agency. I believe the girls are real. I believe that many of the girls intentions are honest. I would tell anyone who is listening here to warn the girls. And to ALL men... save yourself whatever money you would spend at Con Con ... and spend it on a girl you meet in Ukraine. She will probably be worth it.

And share the word..... If men stop spending money with Con Con.... it goes bye bye... or it changes its practices... I think they might do better simply advertizing sex partners for a price for men who want to visit... that is what it appears they are really doing. At least that would be honest. And I am not saying that the women displayed are professional sex partners. I have no knowledge of this. I am only saying that Con Con COULD do fine doing that honestly.

However they are not. Use their services at your own risk.

Regards To all!

PS FYI When I emailed kevin Hayes at www.khersongirls.com he responded promptly with multiple scammer sites for me to review... This is one.

[Rvrwind]

I believe I'm one of the few agencies that you can walk into off the street with a competitor agency interpretor and meet a lady in our office for $25. It is done quite often in kherson.

Couldn't agree more Kevin. I have this problem in Tver, the other agencies refuse to cooperate. Well I shouldn't say all as I have finally convinced 2 that it is to their benifit. I too offer the same albiet at a higher price as things are a little more expensive here.
There are 2 agencies which refuse to do this & it will be to their detriment in the long run. Because my overall prices are cheaper the guys are using my services to come here but because of my low # of ladies are visiting the other agencies to meet them. Those who won't allow it will in the long run lose out & those who do are making money.
Cooperation only makes sense.

[Bruno]

Cooperation only makes sense.

Yes, cooperation between agency make sense but only in the case of honest agency... these who use bad practice certainly don't wish that concurent discover these bad practice, so they work alone...