Russian Women - - Do they make good wives

[Pike]

Mir posted this 1995 article in another thread. 

I have spent over a year in the FSU spread out over several years, have met over a thousand FSU business men and women and women on dates, and have been intimate with over a hundred of the women.  I can make some comments about this topic.

Someone wrote this in 1995 when RW/WM relationship was only few years old.

RUSSIAN WOMEN  Do They Make Good Wives?

In Russia it is unacceptable to show any kind of affection in public. 

There was once a lot of truth to this.  Now things are changing, but there is still some resistance to public affection

But this is not really the problem, the real problem is that they are taught never to show affection and emotion.

There is some truth to this.

A wife could tell on her husband, if he wasn't doing something right. 

It did happen that a spouse could complain to local 'block leaders' or the head of a person's plant, etc.  These people would then talk with the 'offenders' and try to resolve the issue.  I heard it from several persons.

When the KGB was closed less than 10 years ago, the reporters were shown into the KGB building.  In one large room in that building was a list of 10 million Russians that had been shot by the KGB.  These people were simply listed as "Enemies of the State." 

This, of course, did happen.  I don't think the KGB actually shot all of them, but they died in one manner or another.  People that I talked with said people in their own families were taken away.  These people came to accept it as almost OK because they were brainwashed over and over with the idea that those taken away were simply 'Enemies of the State.'

Russian women often talk about love, but unfortunately and sadly, they do not know what love is. 

There is some truth to this, but it could possibly be said of many others also.

They will certainly never demonstrate their love with kisses and hugs.  They don't
even like kisses and hugs.

These words are simply ridiculous.  FSU women love to hug and kiss.

They don't take part (in sex) except to lay still and let it happen. 

Actually, there is some truth to this, at least with the 40 - 50 year old FSU women that I was with.  But, the good news is, they can and will change with some coaching.  And, there is some reason for their initial behavior.  They are used to living 4 to 10 people or so in a two room apartment.  So we have grandparents, parents, married children and children living in close proximity.  It is simply not acceptable to have a lot of movement around in a bed, and even less acceptable to hear verbal outbursts normally associated with the sex process.

Russian men are all macho.  Many Russian men are so macho that they don't look both ways when crossing the street.  Looking isn't macho.  Thus many get killed by cars.  Of course, the men in the cars are macho too, thus they pretend they don't see the people on foot.  Macho for men is the thing in Russia.  Women in Russia expect it.

There is a lot of truth to this macho thing.  It manifests itself in many ways in the FSU and the women seem to like it or at least accept it.

Russian women think it is normal to not show love.  Thus you will not be able to change them.  They don't want to change. 

Not true today.  They will change . . . with tender loving care.

As far as sex is concerned, they like it, and they want it.  You are expected to climb on and do your thing as often as you like, but don't expect them to take part other than to do what they are told.  If you are like 80% of the American men, that might be OK, but if you want a woman who shows love and affection
during sex and who sometimes kisses you and even touches you, then don't try a Russian wife.

There are some contradictory words here, so hard to make comments.   In my opinion, FSU women do like sex more than AW.  As I noted earlier, the 40 - 50 year old women tended to be somewhat inactive as far as movement, etc., but they did become active when given suggestions, etc., and they seemed to enjoy the new movement very much.  So yes, they 'do what they are told' but it seemed to be an enjoyable thing for them, rather than simply rote movement as suggested by the OP.  And, they are very much into touching and kissing.  Plus, they are, on average, much more open to various sexual positions and procedures than the average AW.  And they seemed to enjoy all of this more than the typical AW.

Russian ladies are almost all very beautiful. 

This is total BS.  Once you get beyond the popular streets downtown where the 9s and 10s come regularly to strut their stuff, you will encounter very homely looking women; same as in any other country.  What always throws off the average guy on these boards is that a large portion of the women in the FSU dress to look like hookers.  Even though the guys don't like to admit it; they are attracted to the gals that look like hookers.  But take off all that make-up, get rid of that short skirt, see-through blouse and high heels, put her in some baggy blue jeans, sweat shirt and running shoes; and . . . here is the AW shopping at Safeway.

The cold climate and the wet weather produces beautiful women. 

Totally absurd statement.

Their light switches turn light on in the up position.

Actually, this is not true.  The position that causes the light to come on is randomly assigned thoughout most apartments.  And I am not talking about two way switches here!!  Same can be said for which faucet provides the  hot or cold water! 

But if you are expecting any gratitude for your spending money and time then forget it.  They believe that their husbands (boyfriends) owe it all to them.  They will expect you to do everything and buy them everything and they will seldom, if ever say thanks.  They never say please, or thanks.  It makes them feel degraded to do such a thing.

Unfortunately, this is still almost 100% true.

You can train them to do say thanks, but never expect a kiss or a hug when you come home.

I would say this is backwards.  They eagerly hug and kiss when you  (or they) come home.  But the thanks thing rarely occurs.

She will prefer to sleep in a separate bed like her parents did and like all Russians do.  Russian women will sleep with you if you insist, but all married people in Russia sleep in separate beds, and so if you marry a  Russian woman, her parents slept in separate beds, so she will prefer separate beds.

I cannot be completely certain here, but it doesn't seem correct simply because there wasn't enough beds or room for separate beds to allow separate sleeping in the typical FSU apartment.  Myself, I sleep best in a bed alone.  For the women I was with, they were about evenly split between their happiness with this.  Some cheerfully slept in a separate bed, and some got quite angry (and a couple even left the apartment) when I suggested sleeping in separate beds.

She will live taking everything you give only as a friend might, except the friend would show gratitude.

Much truth here. 


As far as my two Russian wives were concerned our sex was completely unacceptable.  After the first three weeks, it was expected that when I wanted sex she would just lay their and I would do all the action.  But although I never had a sexual problem my whole life, I could not for the life of me just make sex that way.  I expected at least a few kisses during sex.  When I wouldn't perform
both wives asked me to sleep in another bed as they couldn't sleep with someone who didn't give them good sex. 

I can see some truth in this; at least in my initial encounters with some women.  However, as I stated earlier, they can change and seemed pleased to do so.  Seems the OP was unlucky enough to get caught with two who would not change.  But yes, the FSU women do seem to expect good sex from the man, even when they know not what to do to please the man.  I know of two FSU women who never had an orgasm in 10 or more years of marriage (and couldn't even achieve one on their own).  They blamed it all on the man . . . when in truth we are all ultimately responsible for our own orgasms.  These two women were amazed at what I was able to teach them.

When I suggested a marriage councilor and sexual consultant the first wife flatly refused, and the second one agreed, but refused to accompany me on the day of the appointment.  When I brought her literature back from the councilor, she refused to read it.

Probably true.  To FSU people, to go or to read would signal a weakness or something that might be partly their fault.  These two are a 'no, no.'

It is extremely unfortunate that sex is so repressed in Russia.  When I was there many people told me that it was wrong to have sex when I was not married to a woman. 

Certainly not true in the FSU today.  It is much more done and accepted than in USA.

Russian women are like alcoholics, they will have to realize that something is wrong before they can be helped and I doubt that a Russian woman will ever realize that.  In her mind there is too much at stake.  It's cultures in direct
conflict, yours and hers.

The OP was referring again to counseling.  So there is much truth here.  They cannot admit to a weakness and they cannot admit that anything might be their fault.  It is a cultural thing for sure.

[William3rd]

Tell us more about the 16 year olds that you were raving about in your sex tourist posts. Or have you move down to 13 year olds?

[ScottinCrimea]

Pike, I guess it's nice that you have something you can be proud of.

For me at least it seems strange that the discussion here of whether or not a RW would make a good wife focuses on how affectionate she is, how grateful she is and how good a lover she is.

[Shadow]

For the majority of the married guys here the answer is 'YES'.
For those seeking the answer is 'hopefully'.
For those who crashed and burned the answer is 'all except that b*tch I met".

[BC]

Tell us more about the 16 year olds that you were raving about in your sex tourist posts. Or have you move down to 13 year olds?

William, quite uncalled for.  16 is a quite legal age in many countries.  Doesn't mean we have to go there, much less accuse younger.  IIRC pike was talking about a couple flirtatious girls in a crowd talking to a westerner, not that he did anything considered even untoward in your country.

I find a few points in Pikes OP fairly valid in my even limited experience.

Stick to the principles and not personalities involved.

[BC]

My answer is that they make very interesting and challenging wives.

Certainly not the type with a flat head to set your beer upon.

[Kuna]

Pike has some very strong opinions for someone who was so inept during his July '07 trip.

This is the guy who was insulting of women who refused to have sex with him "even" after he showed them photo albums of his personal assets.  

I cannot believe that any man with such a poor understanding of women would have bedded 100 women, or has any opinions worth listening to.

The anonymity of the Internet is the only thing that lets people like Pike exist outside of their own imaginations.




Sorry BC... every post Pike makes is tainted with sexual deviancy.

His references to the 16 yr old child was not as innocent as you make it seem.  He went on to discuss the sexual activities he imagined the school children would or did participate in...

Unfortunately you haven't realised he didn't create this thread to get any responses... he only ever participates in RWD for personal "gratification".

 

[BC]

Sorry BC... every post Pike makes is tainted with sexual deviancy.

His references to the 16 yr old child was not as innocent as you make it seem.  He went on to discuss the sexual activities he imagined the school children would or did participate in...

Unfortunately you haven't realised he didn't create this thread to get any responses... he only ever participates in RWD for personal "gratification".

 

Kuna,

What's wrong for trying to make the best out of things instead of expounding on the worst? 

Some valid points were made.. let's concentrate on that instead of getting distracted.  I'm not worried at all about what may be going on in his head.. why should you clutter yours?

[Mir]

Interesting article by Dominic Lawson reminding/informing us about the short lived Soviet love affair with feminism in Russia:


It is slightly less well known that Marx believed that the traditional family was itself an instrument of oppression, designed by the bourgeoisie to oppress both women and children: "The bourgeois sees in his wife a mere instrument of production ... The bourgeois claptrap about the family and education, about the hallowed correlation between parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting."

Strangely, Karl Marx was an exemplar of the hypocrisies of the Victorian father: intermittently devoted to his many children, leaving the exhausting business of home-keeping to his long-suffering wife, while keeping a mistress on the side - the family servant, Helena Demuth.

In the early years of the Soviet Union, there was a genuine attempt, best described in Ferdinand Mount's The Subversive Family, to apply Marxist thinking on the family. Lunacharski, the Commissar of Education, declared that "Our problem now is to do away with the household and to free women from the care of children ... the terms 'my parents', 'our children' will gradually fall out of usage, being replaced by such conceptions as 'old people', 'children' and 'infants.'

This, claimed Lunacharski, would enable the transition to "that broad public society which will replace the domestic hearth, yes, that stagnant family unit which separates itself off from society. A genuine Communist would avoid such a permanent pairing marriage and would seek to satisfy his needs by a freedom of mutual relations ... so that you can't tell who is related to whom and how closely. That is social construction."

The consequences of this policy were exactly as they have been in the "social construction" we now see in parts of our own inner cities: social chaos, abandoned children and a rapid rise in venereal diseases. The Communist Party of the Soviet Union soon began to abandon the Marxist approach to family life. New laws were introduced to compel divorced parents, not the state, to contribute towards the maintenance of their children. Divorce itself was made more difficult and expensive.

Trotsky, who had been in the forefront of the anti-family experiment, became a scapegoat in this as in other matters. Now he was denounced as "an enemy of the people, who with his followers covered the family in the USSR with filth, spreading the counter-revolutionary 'theory' of the dying out of the family, or disorderly sexual cohabitation, in order to discredit the Soviet land."

The Soviet communists had realised that a society in which the bonds of family life were stigmatised and undermined led inexorably to an ungovernable state of social breakdown - and they were the governors now. It is unsurprising that the social scientists on Britain's campuses - and indeed American ones - have not universally embraced the revisionism which saved the Russians from complete social breakdown. The people running such departments are very unlikely ever to be called upon to teach the worst human results of their theories.

For those, such as Tony Sewell and Nims Obunge, who are engaged in dealing with the consequences of a long-standing and powerful ideological contempt for organised religion and the family, this is not a matter for intellectual self-gratification. It really is a matter of life and death. To describe their outbursts merely as a fit of morality would be to underestimate them - and the problems they face.

RE:http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-you-can-blame-it-all-on-karl-marx-437043.html

[Sculpto]

Wow...

first the penis size conversation and now this.  WTF????

The way I read the post is the guy went to the FSU to be a "playa" and wants us to believe he was succesful at it.  Probably there is some truth to his claims of conquest, but, that is all I see it as.  A very immature little boy playing games with naive girls hearts.  Again, one has to wonder how many lies he told and how many hearts he broke to carve so many notches in his holster.

Not so long ago I got an unsolcited email from some self proclaimed scam fighter who made a lot of very negative claims about FSUW in general, except his own wife of course.  His suggestion was FSUW women do not make good wives, they are thin because they starve themselves, they do not cook , they do not clean, they are all gold diggers and they are not interested in sex.  He then of course offered his services to help men find good women. I am pretty sure the same person is still advertising on Craigslist Moscow.  I deleted the email and blocked the sender as a spammer.  BTW.. CL Moscow is totally overun with Russian and Nigerian scams.  Do not even waste your time searching for apartments or ladies in that venue.

If one believes that each man and woman has a different set of priorities and reasons for marriage the answer to this question does not exist.  Some will be good wives and others will not, same as women from any country and same that some men will be good husbands and others will not.

[ScottinCrimea]

Now before Pike jumps back in here claiming success, I want to bring up again the questions that I posed to him awhile back to properly establish whether or now one could consider him successful.  Rather than answer, he dieappeared for a few months then returned to brag and offer his expert opinions, hoping we would have forgotten about this.  Here are the questions he won't answer:

"I think it best to ask you a few direct questions and leave it up to the individuals here to determine if you are a success or not.

1.  What is your goal in meeting women from the FSU?
2.  How many trips have you made to the FSU where you met women in search of this goal, no matter the primary   purpose of the visit?
3.  Over how many years have these visits taken place?
4.  How many total women have you met with this goal in mind?
5.  How many FSUW have you achieved this goal with?

I don't recall making any specific comments about you regarding marriage and children and don't see how it is relevant unless we are talking about FSUW and their children, but since you have gone there, I'll ask this:

6.  How many times have you been married?

[/quote]

Some classic quotes from Pike:

This is not a wife hunting trip.  I am here on business for 6 weeks.  I like women.

(Said about a recent trip where he met IIRC 16 women and bedded several.)

I have found that the more educated and sophisticated in general the woman is, the more quickly they will engage in casual sex.

All of my dates are highly educated women who have professional (not hooker) jobs

I think knowing where Pike in particular is coming from is important in weighing the contributions that he makes to the discussion.

Now, having said that, I'm in agreement with many of the ideas presented here and am interested in at least the perceptions of RW as wives.  It won't change my mind about staying married to my wife but it's interesting to learn how others might perceive our relationship.  I worry that we are getting back into another generalized discussion about RW when the truth is that they are as individual as women of any other nationality in this regard.

[Vaughn]

For me at least it seems strange that the discussion here of whether or not a RW would make a good wife focuses on how affectionate she is, how grateful she is and how good a lover she is.

Intimacy and gratefulness are only two small slices of the whole package. If a man cannot
get past that truth, he might consider remaining in the playing field rather than step into a
committed marriage, no matter what her nationality.

Honesty, fidelity, intelligence, ambition, sense of humor, self-esteem - what about all those?
Of course, my experience is limited - having been married to only one Russian woman, a very
narrow cross-section of the FSUW population at large... I find her to be thrilling, but I'm
incapable of comparing her to the hundreds I didn't bed down.

Vaughn

[Sculpto]

Trotsky, who had been in the forefront of the anti-family experiment, became a scapegoat in this as in other matters. Now he was denounced as "an enemy of the people, who with his followers covered the family in the USSR with filth, spreading the counter-revolutionary 'theory' of the dying out of the family, or disorderly sexual cohabitation, in order to discredit the Soviet land."

While I am by no means an expert in Trotsky I have visited the house in Mexico City where he was killed and read a considerable amount regarding his relationship with Diego and Frida who were his main supporters in Mexico.  The scenes in the film are portrayed accurately according to the biographies of Frida and Diego.  I find it interesting that this perspective of Trotsky was presented in the article as it was Trotsky's actions to protect his family led to the parting of ways with Frida and Diego.  

So, was Trotsky's wife a good one?  He cheated on her with Frida but she stayed with him till the end.  

[Pike]

Most posters don't seem to understand that I was not the original poster.  My responses to what the original poster said are in green. 

I am not bragging about anything as my experiences with women are very minor compared to those men world wide who really have something to brag about. 

Those who think I am bragging are simply acknowledging how little experience they have had with women. 

I only list my numbers so that readers can understand the extent of my experience with FSU women compared to others who post here.

[Pike]

Scott, why don't you start a separate thread that contains the questions you asked me.  Ask that these questions be answered by all posters here.  After a few dozen responses from others, I will chime in also.

[Sculpto]

Most posters don't seem to understand that I was not the original poster.  My responses to what the original poster said are in green. 

I am not bragging about anything as my experiences with women are very minor compared to those men world wide who really have something to brag about. 

Those who think I am bragging are simply acknowledging how little experience they have had with women. 

I only list my numbers so that readers can understand the extent of my experience with FSU women compared to others who post here.

At risk of feeding the troll I respond...

Your response to the original article is odd at best and disturbed at worst.

Typically, it is the fool who brags the most that has done the least.. a man with real confidence in his knowledge and abilities would have no need to make claims regarding the number and type of his conquests, much less to prove a not very interesting idea.

Even admitting in public that you claim to have bedded so large a number of women does nothing to support ANYTHING you say because it simply makes you out to be a PUA at best or a WM (not western man) at worst.  Not only am I not impressed but I pity the women you infected with your cooties.

[docetae]

Honestly, I don't know what kind of women you have met, because this text and answers are total BS (1st quality) .

Perhaps you should not meet prostitutes who does not want to kiss...

[GoodOlBoy]

I think the question "good wife" begs the question: What is YOUR definition of a good wife? My Russian wife, is a GOOD wife.....to me.

[ScottinCrimea]

Scott, why don't you start a separate thread that contains the questions you asked me.  Ask that these questions be answered by all posters here.  After a few dozen responses from others, I will chime in also.

No need.  I think my point has already been made.

[msmoby_ru]

Pike,

All that "experience" - all those trips - all those women - and you are still looking..

How should we interpret that?

Shadow: Good answer

[Kuna]

I only list my numbers so that readers can understand the extent of my experience with FSU women compared to others who post here.

I have no doubt in my mind that you sir, are a fraud.

Your experience is worthless - an almost certainly incredibly inflated!

You're the guy who acted like a loser whining and complaining about women who wouldn't put out EVEN after you got them up to your apartment and showed them photos of your house etc.

You complained that these women must be stupid because they realised you were an idiot for (at least) bragging about the financial support you give your son.. or children... I couldn't be bothered to remember which.

I'm ashamed to say I gave you advice and assistance because it was obvious you were dreadfully out of your depth when dealing with women.

Pike...  many men are as inept as you are with women.  Some learn how to lie to ply their dirty little schemes...  Some just remain losers.  You might very well have learned how to lie to get a little of what you want... but as of July '07 you were clueless.  Mostly, you still are!

Over a hundred women since then???  I think not, unless you've been spending someone's inheritance.

[kievstar]

100 women at a price of $100 each = $10,000.  Maybe he gets a quantity discount.  So $8,000.  Plus the number of trips - say 20 at $3,000 a trip.  So he has spent $68,000 as a sex tourist. 

[Gator]

I have never been a fan of Pike nor his former name of Albert (search that member name for some juicy topics).  Compared to Albert,  Pike does bring some wisdom in certain needed areas.  For example, I believe he understands the 40-something RW very well, and men dating in that range should at least read what Pike has to say about them.  He also probably knows more about travel than any other man save Jack, having spent a lot of time in Dnepropetrovsk and other cities.

Whatever you think about Pike, he is a good writer, plus he has excellent analytical skills.

Pike's trips to the FSU were done for business and involved lengthy stays, so his costs were not high assuming his travel expenses were reimbursed.  What does one do in one's free time on an extended business trip?  There are no golf courses, etc.  While there, Pike seemingly pursued sportflucking as a hobby to occupy his time. 

So Pike gives a glimpse into the soul of American and European businessmen who pleasure themselves with RW.   Believe me , there are plenty of such players.  And their  stories of deceit are beaten on the tom-toms by RW.   And now you know why why many RW can be skeptical about a man's intentions. 

The major thing missing in Pike's story is what he tells the RW he meets.  Is he forthright?  Or does he come on from a position of strength, giving hope to RW for a long-term relationship if not marriage?  He seemingly attempts to cultivate some sort of relationship with one or more RW.  Yet, I imagine many were quickly discarded after he had his way with them.

So the title of this thread, "Do RW make Good Wives", seems ironic.  And perhaps misguided considering that Pike may not appreciate the value of a good wife.

[catzenmouse]

Good post Gator. And I agree with you regarding Pike/Albert/Hub.

For me, I really don't care if RW make good "wives" as I am way more than happy with the RW "wife" that is in my life.

All you need is one (and that is all you're allowed in most countries too  ) so regardless of what the general population does or what they are I am very blessed to be where I am and am quite happy to be here.

Ken

[Pike]

Very, very strange the posts here.

First, the original article was posted by Mir under the thread "General thoughts about the process of finding RW and this website."  If you look in that thread, you will see that there was only one response to that article, it being by Seriously Jaded.  All of the people in this tread that became outraged at the topic for some strange reason were not outraged at that first posting in the other thread.  Why this dichotomy of outrage?

Second, I did not chose the title, rather taking the title from the original posting  to give continuity.  Some found my title strange, yet no one found this title strange when it was originally posted.  Why this dichotomy?

Third, those of high moral values often decry the practice here of attacking the person rather than attacking the idea.  Yet here, we see those very same people attacking me as a person when I post and comment on an idea which was posted by another person . . . when no attack was made on the original person or originating the post.  Why this dichotomy of attack?

Fourth, my attackers cannot even keep facts straight, and yet others follow on with comments assuming that what the original attackers said was true.

Fifth, I have repeatedly said that I am not bragging about anything.  My numbers are incredibly small when compared to any normal man, let alone a true stud, and I readily admit to this.  That someone cannot believe my very small numbers tells volumes about their own experience.  Doesn't seem to be something they would want to keep bragging about.

I think only two of the posters here have even bothered to read what I wrote comparing my view of FSU women with the view expounded by the OP.  For those who think they have had a different experience with FSU people than I or the OP had, where are your comments about the differences?  And what are the number of FSU women you have met as well as other FSU people, etc., to provide readers with some way to evaluate the extent of your experience?

If it will help, why don't you assume that some other person made the post, and then you can comment upon the content rather than attack the person.