Russian Women - - Do they make good wives

[docetae]

Some people like to get drunk and will drink a lot of alcohol... some people will only drink two or three glasses of Chateau Laffitte 1976 and will be able to appreciate all refinement of the nectar... This is a philosophy of life...

[Vaughn]

Pike and Albert are one and the same? ROTF !!! Last night I thought to
myself, "This dude reminds me a lot of Albert...." Now I understand why - the only
thing I recall about Albert (other than his published claims of escapades in great
numbers) is that he never claimed to chase pretty girls - just very nicely built ones.

I shudder at the possibility of another Gaetan Dugas fornicating all over the FSU.
And I suspect that in a majority of his conquests, he's left behind a littered trail of
broken promises and hearts. He claims it's all consensual sex - somehow I can't help
but feel he's quite a Casanova by evening, and a D.B. Cooper when dawn breaks.

Then again, Pike Albertovich might just be an accomplished stud - and what has that
got to do with "good wives", or for that matter - this discussion board? Pike, Albert, or
whatever handle you prefer - Mir's original post was simply a convenient vehicle to make
yet another report of your preferred lifestyle. You are so caught up in your agenda that
you now claim a "dichotomy" - dude, there IS no dichotomy, Mir's stolen post was relevant
as it stood. The "difference" between most members here and you is that you exhibit
borderline sociopathic behavior.

Between 1994 and 2001 - I was heavily into the dating scene and had my share of
"conquests" - and that was that. I never considered making that phase of my life
a career, nor did I feel it made me much of an authority on anything regarding women,
here or abroad.

That someone cannot believe my very small numbers tells volumes about their own experience. 

VERY slick statement, which we've read several times before in the days of Albert. Nothing's
changed except your name.....really. help me try to understand, without analyzing outrage,
for what purpose you bother to post here? Other than capitalizing on the audience?

[OlgaH]

 

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[Sculpto]

Trolls post because they are trolls.  They are typically very lonely desperate people with low level functionality in normal social circumstances and the anonymous nature of the internet lets them pretend to be something they aren't. 

I suspect in this case our troll in question has mastered the art of identifying low self esteem and lonely women who he then gives a bit of attention until he gets tired of them and throws them back into the pond.  Its not difficult to accomplish given as stated he is there on business and probably has some extra cash to burn in the pursuit.  I would not be suprised if he keeps track of how much he spent before getting some booty and that is a determining factor in how often he repeats with a particular victim.

I am sure in his own twisted way he believes he is being persecuted for revealing his conquests.  Unfortunately this only feeds the troll more as he is desperate to prove himself worthy.

Being a PUA is nothing to be proud of.  It just means you are an empty soul.  Rather than to continue to belittle the troll I actually pity him, just a little.

[Vaughn]

Rather than to continue to belittle the troll I actually pity him, just a little.

If he could just offer something fresh, I'd find him more palatable. The sad
pattern repeats like a skipping 45RPM vinyl record...

1) "I've bonked hundreds of FSU ladies; therefore I am qualified..." (fill in the blank)
2) "What? This bothers you? My numbers are average; therefore, your inexperience
     (or, condecendingly, "high morals") are quite obvious..."
3) "I don't understand why I'm being attacked..."

Ad infinitum. Check the archives, if one even cares to invest the time. I submit
that Albert/Pike probably has much to offer here - but his shallow openers have
the crowd tossing cabbage before he even gets airborne.

[Sculpto]

I understand you Vaughn.  Maybe it is the immature style of presentation that is off putting.  But, I doubt the usefullness of that type of information anyway.  When I was in Donetsk I was befriended by a couple of Nigerians.  Now if you want to talk about conquests.. these guys were over the top.  They had gone to Ukraine as students and advanced through the system to achieve phd degrees in economics. 

They became intent on getting me laid while I was there and both claimed to have bedded between 3-4000 women.  That is not a typo.  At first I thought they were full of it, but, after hanging around with them a couple of days I saw it was probably true.  They had girls everywhere we went.  Girls of all ages and types.. from 18 yo party girls to MILFs to the deflowering of a number of "good girls".  What was most strange was the girls knew they were players and didn't seem to mind as long as when it was their "turn" they got full attention.

Nevertheless, the advice given during that trip and most certainly afterwards as I began my search in earnest had little to do with finding a quality wife and a lot to do with how easy it was to get girls into bed and have all kinds of orgies so why even bother getting married.  I didn't judge my friends, or the girls they seduced.. its just part of life.

One of those friends was eventually deported back to Nigeria after a spat with the "nice girl" he lived with whose brother happened to be a cop, and, the other guy got himself married to a UA girl as soon as the "migra" troubles began for the other friend.  The guy who got deported would give his left nut to get back to Ukraine although it is probable he will never be allowed back in the country.  As backwards as Ukraine is in some ways it is paradise compared with Lagos.

[ScottinCrimea]

Fourth, my attackers cannot even keep facts straight, and yet others follow on with comments assuming that what the original attackers said was true.

Pike, I gave you every opportunity to help us get some of the facts straight, by answering the few simple questions I put to you months ago and again on this thread.  What has been your response?  Then it was to run away and hide, but ultimately you couldn't resist a thread that gave even a small opening for you to pop on, brag, claim expertise and try to lecture us on the finer points of bedding a RW.  This time you present some sophomoric "I will if they do first" response.

We have the facts as YOU have presented them.  It could all be BS, but either way it doesn't paint a pretty picture of you.  If you don't like how your own words represent you, then maybe you need to blame yourself rather than playing the poor misunderstood victim.

Your high opinion of yourself will only last as long as the Viagra holds out.  I have yet to see you discuss anything else about your life or anything else that you seem to show any pride in.

[BC]

If he could just offer something fresh, I'd find him more palatable. The sad
pattern repeats like a skipping 45RPM vinyl record...

1) "I've bonked hundreds of FSU ladies; therefore I am qualified..." (fill in the blank)
2) "What? This bothers you? My numbers are average; therefore, your inexperience
     (or, condecendingly, "high morals") are quite obvious..."
3) "I don't understand why I'm being attacked..."

Ad infinitum. Check the archives, if one even cares to invest the time. I submit
that Albert/Pike probably has much to offer here - but his shallow openers have
the crowd tossing cabbage before he even gets airborne.

Well not really fresh, but his OP does have content that is only 'skirted about' for one reason or the other and never has been fully explored.  Maybe another prenupt or engagement ring thread is better? LOL

One of the striking statements in the first post that certainly deserves a bit of attention IMHO:

But if you are expecting any gratitude for your spending money and time then forget it.  They believe that their husbands (boyfriends) owe it all to them.  They will expect you to do everything and buy them everything and they will seldom, if ever say thanks.  They never say please, or thanks.  It makes them feel degraded to do such a thing.

Unfortunately, this is still almost 100% true.

Look at just about any trainwreck and you'll find that she is described as ungrateful, selfish, self centered etc etc.. heck she wouldn't even smile for the camera.. I think most of the married guys have at least noted that his wife is not going to slobber all over him like a happy pup for a biscuit.  In fact take just about any RW living in a small apartment with two generations, show her the door of a mansion and expect her to be starry eyed with tears of joy?  My bet is she will not bat an eye.

but I guess that's not worth talking about, much less anything with sex involved..

ok.. how 'bout:

Has anyone here ever dated without marriage in mind? To be honest marriage was the last thing on my mind when dating.. Maybe I should have used the line "Hi.. I'm a lonely marriage minded soul.. buy you a drink sometime?"

[Misha]

Well not really fresh, but his OP does have content that is only 'skirted about' for one reason or the other and never has been fully explored.  Maybe another prenupt or engagement ring thread is better? LOL

I wanted to reply, but he put his comments inside a quote which makes it difficult to reply without cutting and pasting what he said

One of the striking statements in the first post that certainly deserves a bit of attention IMHO:

Look at just about any trainwreck and you'll find that she is described as ungrateful, selfish, self centered etc etc.. heck she wouldn't even smile for the camera.. I think most of the married guys have at least noted that his wife is not going to slobber all over him like a happy pup for a biscuit. 

I don't quite agree. Yes, if I pay the bills and do the normal stuff, my wife won't say thank you. However, if I go a bit out of my way to do [not buy] something nice for my wife, she will be happy, smile and will say thank you.

[Enot]

I see the "good old boy" network has been over here causing problems also.

To answer your question, my wife from the FSU is by far much better than my American wife was.

[Gator]

Well not really fresh, but his OP does have content that is only 'skirted about' for one reason or the other and never has been fully explored.  Maybe another prenupt or engagement ring thread is better? LOL

An examination of the RW mentality is always interesting, frequently yielding stereotypes. When I compare the few RW that I knew fairly well with stereotypes presented over the years at RWD, I find some overlap yet each RW has been different in her own way.

One stereotype is ingratitude, and BC wrote:

Look at just about any trainwreck and you'll find that she is described as ungrateful, selfish, self centered etc etc.. heck she wouldn't even smile for the camera.. I think most of the married guys have at least noted that his wife is not going to slobber all over him like a happy pup for a biscuit.

 

The RW I met, who had not been coached well about dating Western men, did not readily express gratitude.  If you are a RW's man and she your woman, the RW expects to be taken care of, so why should she say "thank you."  She feels that she deserves the attention.  It is almost like expecting the divorced AW to say "thank you" for the payments you make to her.  Regardless of the initial impression of ingratitude, RW are grateful and I found RW can easily be trained to express gratitude.  And now my 11-yo stepdaughter asks when she has done something for me, "Where is my 'thank you?' "

In fact take just about any RW living in a small apartment with two generations, show her the door of a mansion and expect her to be starry eyed with tears of joy?  My bet is she will not bat an eye.

Pride has a lot to do with this.  RW are short on cash yet long on pride.  Personally, I like this trait in RW.

Has anyone here ever dated without marriage in mind? To be honest marriage was the last thing on my mind when dating.. Maybe I should have used the line "Hi.. I'm a lonely marriage minded soul.. buy you a drink sometime?"

Of course.  Somehow doing it year after year after year from a position of economic strength in Ukraine is not the same as years of casual dating in America, at least to me.  Nevertheless, if a man really got a kick out of bedding an endless string good looking women, there is no better place than the FSU.  

Pike makes a reasonable point that posters are not debating the content of his posts and instead are belittling him personally based on perceptions derived from his past posts.  I suppose that is because Pike's goals differ from the vast majority of RWD men who are following a fast track to marriage.   There is something very special about a RW, and most resent that he may be taking advantage of these sometimes sweet creatures.  

Nevertheless, the fact that Pike is acting out his geriatric gigolo dream should not diminish the value of his observations about RW mentality.

[BC]

I don't quite agree. Yes, if I pay the bills and do the normal stuff, my wife won't say thank you. However, if I go a bit out of my way to do [not buy] something nice for my wife, she will be happy, smile and will say thank you.

Misha,

Agree.. it's that 'bit out of my way' that counts.  In trainwreck threads it's well I have a nice house with 10 bedrooms and a 4 car garage (in his name of course) and I bought her a nice car (he picked out for her) and 'let' her buy some nice clothes and and and... she didn't even say thanks..

Well a roof, transportation and clothes are essentials but some men want to see that tail wagging fiercely even still. WM sometimes seem obsessed with reactions and may get a bit confused they don't get it at times.  I don't know much about the original poster (not Pike) and the circumstances causing his frustration, but think it is quite possible he did not go out of his way.

The comments about avoiding any kind of reaction that could be construed as obsequious is quite true IMHO.

Who was it that said some might be better served with a real puppy?

[BC]

Gator,

Well put post.

The following quote is interesting..

Nevertheless, the fact that Pike is acting out his geriatric gigolo dream should not diminish the value of his observations about RW mentality.

In a way, even slight, don't all we old geezers have that dream?  Isn't that part of the whole RW 'package'?

[docetae]

Gator,

Well put post.

The following quote is interesting..

In a way, even slight, don't all we old geezers have that dream?  Isn't that part of the whole RW 'package'?

the main concern with this thread is contradiction between being a sex tourist and telling about wives. This is pure BS and hypocritical.

[William3rd]

the main concern with this thread is contradiction between being a sex tourist and telling about wives. This is pure BS and hypocritical.

If you take a small pile of excrement and put two pieces of bread on it, some of our members will call it a sandwich, others will declare that mayonnaise should be added, still others will argue heatedly that mustard is the preferred condiment, still others will talk about the virtues of various forms of excrement or that the wrong bread is used and yet a couple others will claim that really really old excrement and fresh young mayonnaise is the best way to go. Most seem to forget that the excrement is still excrement.

Pike and his philosophy is pure excrement- Sex tourism with only his WORD that he was above board. He is using this board to self aggrandize himself. The posts of Pike Hub Albert bear that out. He may be mouthing philosphy these days but I believe that these are the words of others in an effort to seek credibility.

If one chooses to paw through the excrement searching for pearls, then enjoy yourselves. But try not to overlook WHAT he is while pawing through the excrement.

[BC]

William,

I did have a good chuckle over that sandwich! 

Pike and his philosophy is pure excrement- Sex tourism with only his WORD that he was above board. He is using this board to self aggrandize himself. The posts of Pike Hub Albert bear that out. He may be mouthing philosphy these days but I believe that these are the words of others in an effort to seek credibility.

I guess we could all be accused of posting with only our WORD.  Heck I could be jack the stripper.. LOL who's really to know better?

Lawyers seem to enjoy talking about hypothetical situations for whatever reason.. why is it so unacceptable here?

[William3rd]

Glad you enjoyed the analogy. . .

We also subscribe to the "reasonable man" theory. Poke is not a hypothetical. A continued stretching of the realm of reason continues to reek of falsehood. Coming over to bone several women on a "holiday." There on business all the time, yet he talks like this. . . Continuous failure or just a lack of seriousness in his "search." And the undercurrent of bragging. . .

there is a public viewing that goes on here. Sex tourists and their "philosophies" or their "understanding" of Russian women do nothing to further the legitimate goals of the readership.

[Kuna]

The major thing missing in Pike's story is what he tells the RW he meets.  Is he forthright?  Or does he come on from a position of strength, giving hope to RW for a long-term relationship if not marriage?  He seemingly attempts to cultivate some sort of relationship with one or more RW.  Yet, I imagine many were quickly discarded after he had his way with them.

My ONLY problem with Pike is that he uses (or has used) marriage sites to lure women into dishonest situations.  He made decisions on which ones to meet and not meet on they likelihood they would put out (and not just once - for prolonged periods) and he arranged for them to travel to him rather than going out and meeting women socially, one would assume because he is incapable of meeting women socially.

Pike IS a sex tourist...  but as a member here he is just one of us.

What does that make us?

[William3rd]

Good point - should sex tourists be allowed to be members?


How about Russian Prostitutes? Green card girls? Hmmm- too late. . .

[BC]

Good point - should sex tourists be allowed to be members?

How about Russian Prostitutes? Green card girls? Hmmm- too late. . .

We gonna start passing around entrance exams? Need 3 references from members before you can post? Maybe regular lie detector tests?

What in heck are we so afraid of?.. that RWD couldn't handle it? That someone could come here and corrupt our morals? Give us all a bad name? -- yeah righto..

I say 'so what?'.

A bunch of horny ol men bitchin' about a bunch of horny old men.. whatta riot.

[William3rd]

whatever. . .  I said my piece. Your discussion doesnt change my opinion one whit

[ScottinCrimea]

I kept hearing so much about Pike's other alter ego, Albert, that I finally broke down and looked at some of his old posts. I couldn't read too much because the more I read, the more soiled I felt. He paints a better picture there of his true thoughts and goals.  As his latest incarnation, he is trying to say the same things in ways that don't make him look so bad, but, at least for me, it hasn't helped, and I see clear contradictions in what he says now versus what he was saying then  I won't go into them, you're free to see them for yourselves.

Pike's attitudes and behaviors, to me, are so disgusting that I would feel inclined to speak out in any setting, be it a forum or a social setting.  Why does he post here?  Because he has nowhere else he can brag with some immunity and he seems to have some deep underlying need to boost himself up in this way.  You think he could speak in this fashion in a gathering of gentlemen without being relegated to a far corner of the room?

I don't think we can learn anything from him about RW unless we have the same goals or are placing ourselves in the same scenarios.  His experiences and conclusions will be completely different from mine because I associate with a different type of woman and I interact with them in a different manner, so ultiimately the responses I get will be different.

I'm sorry if some feel I am being too strong, but it's like the spontaneous exclamation one makes when they step in excrement.

Okay, I've had my say.  If some here want to continue interacting with him, pawing, as William said, for the pearl in the excrement, it's certainly your right, just as it is mine to express my opinion.

[BillyB]

Gentlemen,

If you want to believe what Pike says, then you got to believe he targets women that fits him like a glove instead of the women you run with. He's had phone sex with some of those women. He has various women come in from another city during his business trips to meet him for a day or two and they've agreed to sleep in the same flat as he's(a stranger) sleeping in. Some drop their panties in a day or within hours of meeting him. I find it hard to believe those women are naive, marriage minded, and sincere as some of you've implied. A lot of those women know what Pike wants from them before he ever arrives. I think the path he takes is the road of least resistance and he looks for similarly minded women. It's this reason I don't get worked up anymore when Pike/Albert/Hub posts.

[Kuna]

We gonna start passing around entrance exams? Need 3 references from members before you can post? Maybe regular lie detector tests?

What in heck are we so afraid of?.. that RWD couldn't handle it? That someone could come here and corrupt our morals? Give us all a bad name? -- yeah righto..

I say 'so what?'.

A bunch of horny ol men bitchin' about a bunch of horny old men.. whatta riot.

BC,

I would think if someone's motivations or activities are obviously contrary to the themes and goals of RWD then yes, certainly members should be warned and eventually banned IMHO.

Community standards are defined by community behaviour.  If we accept or embrace sex tours or sex tourists then that's all our community will become.  Do you want to be associated with that?

[Gator]

Pros and Cons

I find it hard to believe those women are naive, marriage minded, and sincere as some of you've implied. A lot of those women know what Pike wants from them before he ever arrives. I think the path he takes is the road of least resistance and he looks for similarly minded women. It's this reason I don't get worked up anymore when Pike/Albert/Hub posts.

Good point.  Among Albert examples of women we would not date, don't forget the woman he diddled to orgasm while riding the city bus (yes, I read the thread).   

Community standards are defined by community behaviour.  If we accept or embrace sex tours or sex tourists then that's all our community will become.  Do you want to be associated with that?

Good counterpoint.  You may recall that I was against Pike's "no response" trip report because it lowered community standards and spoke of a type of trip that is not the common objective of RWD men.

In summary, I oppose Albert-type of posts and some of Pike-type of posts.  I will always review Pike's posts with a skeptical if not jaundiced eye just because it says "Pike," yet Pike may very well have something of value.