Why do Russian women prefer Western men?

[kievstar]

Ulysses,

Glad things work out for you.  But remember it is rude over there to stare at strangers so that is why they do not look you in the eye.  Their not afraid of you.  Also, most Russian men are good. 

One thing that is tough is a single woman with a child.  Very few if any Russian men would consider being with a woman like that.  I am in the same boat.  Tried dating women with kids and just does not work for me.  That is great you can except another's children and not as shallow as myself when it comes to another's children. 

[Doll]

Their not afraid of you.  Also, most Russian men are good.

 
Thye are not afraid and they ARE good- I agree

[Lily]

Ulysses,

Glad things work out for you.  But remember it is rude over there to stare at strangers so that is why they do not look you in the eye.  Their not afraid of you.  Also, most Russian men are good. 
  

It is not rude in Russia. People just avoid the eye contact in many situation in order not to appear bold, or just to make understand that they do not want to bother or contact you.

People do maintain eye contact in Russia, but in lesser amounts than they do it in the West.

[Ooooops]

People do maintain eye contact in Russia, but in lesser amounts than they do it in the West.

People STARE at you in Russia      And in lots of others countries, of course.   US (and Western Europe) is an exemption because of highly regarded privacy, IMO. 

 Of course, there are exceptions everywhere but as a general rule of thumb see above.   

[Ulysses]

   Thanks for the info about eye contact!!!!      I'll be much more sensitive in that regards during my next visit.But I do have a great curiosity and really like to "people watch"......I can just entertain myself considerably that way.
    I did enjoy the hotel I stayed in and, while I didn't come to know many of the staff people personally, I felt very well cared for by the men & women there.   I did try diligently to acknowledge this, especially with the breakfast crew.  I'm just a big, harmless "flirt" on my best days.....   And my many walks and runs around the small town were very nice....it's much the same as my small town here in Tennessee.
    And thanks, Kievstar, for the imput about children.   I agree it's not everyone's cup of tea and I've been down that road before.   But he's been a joy to be around and I'm looking forward to more time there and with them both.

   
   
   
   

[mrs.Shadow]

We met a few months later, and I fit what she wanted in a man. Presumably, if she had met a local man who came close to what she wanted, she would be with him.

Well I met mr.Shadow and felt at once - this is a man I really have feelings to. I was not praying about my man being tall or fat, or rich, or from other country. Agency was the help to see people I did not see in my regular life, some place to meet each other, those who are lonely. As I do not like disco, bars, did not see any partner at work as well, did not trust the street meetings, etc., agency was the way to find new people. I am not that brave as well to start talking first to men or to start to active relations with new people.

As for point 4 (agency) - this I took the most popular way of meeting RW and WM. 

[yozhig]

Russian women prefer men with whom they feel good, regardless of nationality.
With Russian men it is much easier to communicate and be understanded due to language and common cultural background, so statistically Russian women prefer Russian men.

[Jack]

Russian women prefer men with whom they feel good, regardless of nationality.
With Russian men it is much easier to communicate and be understanded due to language and common cultural background, so statistically Russian women prefer Russian men.

You know yozhig the major reason most Ukraine and Russian women give me for looking for a foreign man is just opposite as to what you are expressing.

True in the early, mid, and late 90's their were a lot of women only looking for a green card but those times have changed as things have gotten better in Russia and Ukraine. Oh sure their are still the green card girls but nothing like it used to be. 

Many ladies tell me that they know how many Russian men are and when it comes time to have a family and they look for a food father, a good provider AND a FAITHFUL husband, they begin to seriously consider a foreign man.

[groovlstk]

Russian women prefer men with whom they feel good, regardless of nationality.
With Russian men it is much easier to communicate and be understanded due to language and common cultural background, so statistically Russian women prefer Russian men.

My experience bear this out. My wife and I have some single Russian female friends and they almost exclusively date Russian men here in the NYC area. I believe they're open to dating American guys but in the circles they travel it's just easier to meet RM.

One thing I've noticed is that Russian men aren't very happy to see Russian women dating American (or other) men.

[Misha]

The other night my wife and I went to a play. It was opening night and we stayed for wine and food. My wife went to get some food and one of the men behind the table took interest in her. My wife then found out that he was Russian. Her comment: "I should have known. He undressed me with his eyes as only a Russian man can, and as no Canadian would do." She did not mean this as a compliment

[yozhig]

You know yozhig the major reason most Ukraine and Russian women give me for looking for a foreign man is just opposite as to what you are expressing.

True in the early, mid, and late 90's their were a lot of women only looking for a green card but those times have changed as things have gotten better in Russia and Ukraine. Oh sure their are still the green card girls but nothing like it used to be. 

Many ladies tell me that they know how many Russian men are and when it comes time to have a family and they look for a food father, a good provider AND a FAITHFUL husband, they begin to seriously consider a foreign man.

Jack,

where is the controversy?
woman seeks a man with whom she feels good. Of course if she wants a family she would feel good with potentially good father etc..

The number of marriages between Russian and Russian are much bigger than number of marriages between Russian and Western, even consider those 30% who "potentially want" to marry Western, it's still 70%

[GoodOlBoy]

IMHO, Russia's greatest asset is not their men, oil, gas, diamonds, gold... etc. etc. etc.
 
NO, NO....Russia's greatest asset is their WOMEN.

Stupid PM Putin and his cronies have their heads so far up each others ass#s, that they don't even realize or care that their most precious commodity (RW) are fleeing Russia so fast that the American consulate in Moscow can't slow them down.

The sad thing is, one day Putin will look around and finally realize all the best women (quality) have left the country.

But that's OK, like everything else that is wrong in his country, he will blame the USA for this disaster too!  

[yozhig]

The other night my wife and I went to a play. It was opening night and we stayed for wine and food. My wife went to get some food and one of the men behind the table took interest in her. My wife then found out that he was Russian. Her comment: "I should have known. He undressed me with his eyes as only a Russian man can, and as no Canadian would do." She did not mean this as a compliment

Concerning the last sentence, Middle Eastern men can do much better than Russian, so what?  

[Misha]

Concerning the last sentence, Middle Eastern men can do much better than Russian, so what?  

There are differences and not all Russian women feel that they MUST be with a Russian man. Each to his or her own.

[yozhig]

IMHO, Russia's greatest asset is not their men, oil, gas, diamonds, gold... etc. etc. etc.
 
NO, NO....Russia's greatest asset is their WOMEN.

Stupid PM Putin and his cronies have their heads so far up each others ass#s, that they don't even realize or care that their most precious commodity (RW) are fleeing Russia so fast that the American consulate in Moscow can't slow them down.

The sad thing is, one day Putin will look around and finally realize all the good (smart) women have left the country.

But that's OK, like everything else that is wrong in his country, he will blame the USA for this disaster too!  

 
That's a good one. I don't say anything about our government here though..I guess there is a moderation even for Russian bad words 

Misha,
that's true, I sdidn't say about ALL Russian women seeking Russian men. Some of them prefer Asian, Middle Eastern and others, just the matter of taste
But also I know a few stories where Russian woman got divorced with Western to marry Russian..

[Sculpto]

Stupid PM Putin and his cronies have their heads so far up each others ass#s, that they don't even realize or care that their most precious commodity (RW) are fleeing Russia so fast that the American consulate in Moscow can't slow them down.

GOB.. I like most of your postings.. but I gotta say.. dude.. the above comment is really offensive.. Russian women as a commodity.. hmmm.. sounds like a familiar thread. 

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"Get your Russian bride right here.. step right up.. special discount prices on Russian Brides.. get em while they last or at least before Putin bans the process"

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I would also say that your views on Putin and the "exodus" are skewed.  Regardless of the propoganda machine in Russia and regardless of whether I agree with Putin's policies, the man has been good for Russia and has helped restore Russian pride.  I sense in your posting some latent anti soviet sentiment that is being re-directed.

anyway.. I would be inclined to agree with our newest poster.. I think most Russians would prefer to be with another Russian.  For that matter.. if I could actually find an American woman that was decent I wouldn't even be looking in Russia.  But, I can not and thus here I am.. I am quite sure a lot of women over there see it the same way...

Jack.. I am sure the ladies who are signing up for the agency will tell you they prefer western men.. of course they do!  LOL..  cmon man.. Jack, we all know you pretty well.. could it be you have been duped by the GCG girls into believing they all prefer western men???? 

[Misha]

But also I know a few stories where Russian woman got divorced with Western to marry Russian..

True, and I know a RW who divorced her Russian husband to marry a man she had met while on vacation in the Caribbean. According to her husband (biased of course) she lost it, got pregnant with her new lover's child, and was trying to sponsor him to come and join her in Canada as a permanent resident. 

[GoodOlBoy]

McCain: when I looked at Putin's eyes I saw 3 letters: K G B

[Sculpto]

McCain: when I looked at Putin's eyes I saw 3 letters: K G B

isn't McCain the guy who was involved in saturation bombing of Hanoi?  Yeah.. his words are reliable...

[Misha]

I would also say that your views on Putin and the "exodus" are skewed. 

Well, these are the stats on emigration out of Russia according to Novaya Gazeta:

1991—1996: 429,548
1997—2002: 207,447
2003—2008: 229,579 to 440,000 (if you count the hidden forms of emigration, people leaving the country on work visas, student visas or buying property outside the country who are likely not going to return to live in Russia).

So, if anything, the number of Russians leaving has increased in the last 5 years as compared to the previous 5 years.

Source: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/color46/00.html

[Sculpto]

Well, these are the stats on emigration out of Russia according to Novaya Gazeta:

1991—1996: 429,548
1997—2002: 207,447
2003—2008: 229,579 to 440,000 (if you count the hidden forms of emigration, people leaving the country on work visas, student visas or buying property outside the country who are likely not going to return to live in Russia).

So, if anything, the number of Russians leaving has increased in the last 5 years as compared to the previous 5 years.

Source: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/color46/00.html

That number represents less than 1/4 of 1%. 

here are some other interesting bits and pieces/statistics..

"Whether we like it or not, more and more Chinese are coming to Russia," Kiselev said. "According to a recent demographic study commissioned by 'Kommersant-Vlast' magazine, more and more Chinese migrants are coming to Russia and this year their number will reach 500,000 -- both legals and illegals."


"The paper considers the recent labor migration trends in Russia. Throughout the last decade and increasingly in the second half of the 1990s, temporary labour migration into Russia, especially by irregular means, has been on the rise. Each year some 200,000 up to 300,000 foreign citizens having official work permissions enter Russia to work (213,300 in 2000, 283,700 in 2001). Approximately half of these workers arrive from the CIS and Baltic countries. The estimated number of irregular migrants in Russia varies from 1.5 to 10 million. According to latest official estimates, in Russia there are up to 15 million irregular migrants, mostly citizens of the CIS countries. Labor immigration to Russia will increase in the near future irrespective of number of quotas fixed by the RF Government, as well as any legislative and bureaucratic barriers. It is determined by objective preconditions, and is necessary for Russia itself. Russia experiences the natural population loss, especially of the working ages, which has not been compensated by migration inflow since the second half of the 1990s. The rate of growth of vacant workplaces keeps on increasing, as their number grew three times fold for only 2002. Nevertheless, Russian legislation and especially Russian law-enforcement hamper the movement of labor migrants. These obstacles result not in decreasing the inflow of labor migrants to Russia but in the delegitimazation of migration and employment, and accordingly in the growth of irregular migrants and shadow employment, and finally in a real threat for loss of control over the situation. Thus the problem of irregular migration to Russia should be considered in a close connection with the improvement of the existing migration legislation and a wide information campain both among the migrants and in civil society dedicated to the necessity to prevent the irregular migration."

the data below is from Homeland Security... it shows how many people from what country got permanent residence status last year.  Russia is on top of the list but its worth noting that Russia also has a much larger population than any of the other countries listed.  sorry if the formatting didn't come out right...

Region and country of last residence 1   2007
     Total   1,052,415
Europe                                                       120,759
Russia 3, 11                                            41,593
United Kingdom 8,13                               16,113
Poland 3                                                          9,717
Germany 3, 4                                              8,640
Other Europe                                               7,847
Yugoslavia 14                                               6,364
Romania                                                             5,240
Bulgaria 5                                                 3,766
France 7                                                             3,680
Italy                                                              2,682
 Austria-Hungary 2, 3, 4                                      2,057
Czechoslovakia 6                                                  1,851
Spain 12                                                                 1,810
Norway-Sweden 9                                                    1,604
Ireland 8                                                                  1,599 
Netherlands                                                      1,482
   Sweden 9                                                       1,216
   Hungary 2                                                        1,208
Greece                                                                      1,152
Portugal 10                                                            1,054
Switzerland                                                               885
   Austria 2, 4                                                                849
Belgium                                                                              733
Denmark                                                                               505
   Norway 9                                                                    388
Finland                                                                                     385

For brevity I only included Europe.. but.. China, India, Philipines, Mexico, the Caribean, Central America all had a higher number than Russia.  Here is the link to the site which also has historical data going back to 1820...

anyway.. my point is simple.. all of us are in the middle of immigration from the FSU.. it is easy to see it everywhere when you pay attention to it.  However, it is really a drop in the bucket in the overall migration occuring in both Russia and the USA.  There is no real exodus of Russian women going on, but, rather a trickle.  And, there are far more people entering into Russia than leaving. 

I suspect if you got into the real details of who exactly is departing from the Motherland you might discover a few trends.. this is pure speculation on my part.. the following is my list of those who are trying to get out...

Homosexuals, those with illegally aquired money who wish to protect their illegal assets, people of ethnicities that continue to be persecuted, people with family members who left Russia at some previous time, young men trying to avoid the army, and women who have married or will be married.

Sorry for another ridiculously long post. 

[Misha]

That number represents less than 1/4 of 1%. 

Well, the question is not only the number, but also the education and work experience of the out-migration. As the Novaya Gazeta notes, those who leave are often the best educated and the best trained (i.e. it is a "brain drain").

[Gator]

isn't McCain the guy who was involved in saturation bombing of Hanoi?  Yeah.. his words are reliable...

This is exactly the type of statement that makes me question your ability to report accurate opinions.  First, we did not do "saturation bombing of Hanoi."  Second, McCain flew ground-attack A-4 aircraft.

Yes, we did use B-52s around Hanoi and while the targets were intended to be small, B-52s are better at carpet than pinpoint bombing.  Nevertheless, a preponderance of attacks were carried out by low flying, precision bombing jets, hence the high number of captured pilots.

I have a friend who selected targets for bombing raids, and he has discussed with me the measures that the US took to minimize civilian casualties.

Also, if saturation bombing of Hanoi were indeed the objective, I can state that based on a personal trip I made to Hanoi, we missed!

 

[GoodOlBoy]

I think part of the meaning of my previous post might have been missed.

I was not necessarily referring to the quantity of RW leaving, No on the contrary I was eluding to the QUALITY of the women leaving.

There are several thousand Russian's living in my area. It amazes me that almost ALL women that I have come in contact with were some kind of professionals (Doctor's, Lawyers, Chief Accountants {CPA's}) in Russia.

For the most part, the Russian women I have met come to the USA with higher educations. They are not refugee's washing up on our shores with 2 goat's and a Saint Christophers Medal (like the Cubans and Mexicans).  

No No No.... they are professionals. And IMHO, a GREAT loss to the Russian society. Why? Because Russia invested a HUGE amount of money and resources to educate these women and now...they flee the regime that represses their ability to fairly work and be treated as an equal.

If you dare speak up against Putin's regime, you are poisoned with plutonium or gunned down on the streets of Moscow for being a real journalist (not a puppet for the Kremlin).

So, after the next 10 years, what kind of women will be left in Russia?  Uneducated Villagers?

[Pike]

No No No.... they are professionals. And IMHO, a GREAT loss to the Russian society. Why? Because Russia invested a HUGE amount of money and resources to educate these women and now...they flee the regime that represses their ability to fairly work and be treated as an equal.

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It doesn't seem very wise for WM to be posting such words on any website.

Why provide fuel to those in FSU who could be thinking about shutting down the exodus of FSU women to the west.