DEC NEWBIE

[Turboguy]

In another thread today Turbo mentioned staying away from the big cities, with an example of a small city girl who couldn't get a date back home, but had marriage proposals galor (from online suitors, I assume) when she moved to Moscow.

After that I posted in the other thread that I thought both the "have what it takes to woo a Moscow woman" theory and the "desperate woman" theory was well a crock of something. 

Those who search look for one woman.  She could be anywhere.  When I was searching I never ruled out Moscow women or women from anywhere.   I wanted the woman that was right for me.   I think however that a beautiful woman from anywhere will get the attention of lots of men.   I don't believe women from anywhere are desperate.   Personally I liked the choices in the out of the way place. 
 

[apple47]

    As I did a reverse search on friendfinder and hadn't actually searched for a woman in any specific area,I don't understand the concept of limiting a search to a specific area or country or as some do ,a specific city.  Seems limiting to me.  My wife could have been from anyplace in the world.  As it happened she is Russian and from Almaty,Kazakhstan.

          A woman  living in a big city could be doing so because of conditions and not desire,just as a woman in a small village could be there because of a situation which doesn't allow her to leave.   

             In my mind,if you have already limited your search to a specific area,you have already limited finding the woman you could spend the rest of your life with.


                                                           ...Larry

[Enot]

Then why would you advise to keep away from big cities, if you believe "there's no wrong way?"  

My way is an alternative way but I see you are too narrow minded to comprehend any other way but yours, as are a few others.

[Blues Fairy]

My way is an alternative way but I see you are too narrow minded to comprehend any other way but yours, as are a few others.

Your way is an alternative to what way, and how is it more open-minded?  I'm honestly trying to understand.  You are the one who's saying "don't look in big cities".  You think that's open-minded?

[Misha]

My way is an alternative way but I see you are too narrow minded to comprehend any other way but yours, as are a few others.

Why is it an alternative way? Nobody is saying that a man should not go to Moldava. Nobody is saying that is not possible to find a wonderful woman in Moldava. What people are objecting to is your insistence that it is not possible to find love in Kiev or Moscow and to avoid these cities. In a previous thread you were saying that men should avoid Russia and Ukraine altogether.

[I/O]

Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

I/O

[Enot]

Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

I/O

HE HE HE, you are right.  I'm tired of trying to make these "Pigs" sing!

[Doll]

Very funny thread.
Agree with Blue.

[ScottinCrimea]

enot had a bad experience with a woman from a large city and as a result has consistently viewed all women from large cities as bad women.

I am now going to deviate from my usual form and engage in a personal attack.  Dan,feel free to castigate me, but I think the newbies need to know this:

Whatever you do, do NOT take any advice offered by enot.  He has consistently lied about his history and about his experience with FSUW.  He shows a the same closed-mindedness that he condemns in others.  Although I am aware of other details, some can be found in the following thread:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8543.45

In addition, he has many mistaken ideas about the visa process, clearly shown in this thread:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7805.0

While I wish him all the happiness in the world with his new Moldovan wife,, I suggest that he limit his advice to those things about which he can be objective and about which he actually has some valid experience.

[I/O]

HE HE HE, you are right.  I'm tired of trying to make these "Pigs" sing!

Sorry buddy but the odds and a bit of decent sense suggest it is the other way around. Your advice is stupid and should be discounted as such.

Over the last few years I have noticed the newlyweds very often among the most vocal in claiming to have "It all sorted" and wishing to pass the silver bullet onto the next punter. Interestingly enough those very same people seem to tone it down a little after a couple of years of having their arse chewed down to size by their new FSU wife.

I/O

[Enot]

enot had a bad experience with a woman from a large city and as a result has consistently viewed all women from large cities as bad women.

He has consistently lied about his history and about his experience with FSUW. 

You don't know me and I haven't lied about any of "my history".  You are making accusations you can't prove.   Yes I was married to a woman from a SMALL city in Russia.  We lived together for over a year there but when it came time to go back to the USA, she didn't want to go.

Based on Scott's last post, I wouldn't believe anything he says because he makes up wild stories about things he knows nothing about.

Your parents definitely gave you the right name Scott-tina.  Ask your wife what this means because I'm sure you don't know.  Only someone that has lived in the FSU would know.

[Enot]

It means Scott-Tina fantisizes a lot and tells stories so don't believe anything he says.

[Vaughn]

It means Scott-Tina fantisizes a lot and tells stories so don't believe anything he says.

Enot, it's evident that Scott, among others, have shot down a few things you've
stated here and on other threads. Don't take it so personally, dude. I also happen
to prefer "smaller cities" - one in particular - but that hardly qualifies me to speak
knowingly about avoiding a larger metropolis...

We all have opinions, yes, but to offer them as Gospel is adventurous at best.

[Enot]

I never stated it as gospel, only as an alternative method.  It worked for me so why can't it work for others?  I've stated many times there is no right way or wrong way to go through this process.  There are many ways and some options work better than others for certain people.

I'm not taking anything "seriously", I'm just trying to state my opinion without people twisting my words and being attacked.  Isn't this forum about expressing opinons, answers, and advise?  Or is it to say there is only one way to do this process and Scott-Tina, and people like him, has all the answers?

[Turboguy]

As far as the small city, big city thing I think that varies on what approach you are taking and what stage you are at.  

Personally, if I were looking through listings on some site and deciding who to write I would write to anyone, anywhere who seemed to have potential for a good match for me.   I would not pay that much attention to where they were.  I most certainly would not refuse to write to a woman who happened to be from Moscow or St. Petersburg.

If on the otherhand I was planning to go to one city and use an agency then probably I would pick a more out of the way place.   One of the biggest problems with finding good women is that the countries we are interested in are so big and the cities so far apart.  It was something that bothered me a lot in the early stages.  I would look at a map where the women I was interested in were and meeting very many was impossible.   Avoiding that is a good reason to target one or more cities.

Frankly I have seen a few occasions where the wisest of the RWD members gave advice that seemed poor to me and times when someone with little experience spit out a gem of wisdom.  I am always happy to hear anyones opinions and can sort out which thoughts I agree with on my own.  

I also think that meeting the right FSU woman is not like overhauling a motor.  There is no order, no torq specs, no clearances.   One guy has great luck with one method and another does the same and falls flat on his face.   I have seen guys here who met through ICQ, an agency, Elena's, HRB, AFA, tours, free personals, newspaper ads, walking the streets, night clubs, working in the FSU, student visas and more.   There is no cookie cutter path to success in this.

[Vaughn]

Just stay away from women from mega sized cities like Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Kiev.

I never stated it as gospel, only as an alternative method.

To be honest about it, I read your first statement as "Thou shalt not...." but it's
certainly possible it wasn't intended as a mandate - only a suggestion based on
personal experience. A few contributors here jumped down your throat - and
without reviewing ALL your posts on other threads - I have to assume you've
established a history of appearing to be all-knowing with a rep for defensiveness.

Hey! Why don't we ALL have a good snort of scotch together?

One guy has great luck with one method and another does the same and falls flat on his face.

So very true. I used the "gut instinct and clueless" method. Never even knew about discussion boards
and "support groups" until I sought K-1 facts. Went WOVO, and to Yoshkar Ola, reputed scam city.
Used TRAVELER's CHEQUES for crying out loud. But I was capable with the language, and knew
enough to exercise patience. I did NOT have blank forms in my baggage.

I was fortunate to have found a fine woman who's dedicated to our marriage. But I would not
recommend my lack of a plan, let alone a backup plan...

[Enot]

Look at my posts on the previous page, especially post #20.  It clearly states my opinion is an alternative way of finding love.  How can that be interpreted as gospel?
Once again my words are being twisted.

[Misha]

Look at my posts on the previous page, especially post #20.  It clearly states my opinion is an alternative way of finding love. 

How is going to Moldava an alternative way of finding love? It is a different place than Russia or Ukraine, but I do not see how it is an alternative way of finding love?

[Misha]

Yes I was married to a woman from a SMALL city in Russia.  We lived together for over a year there but when it came time to go back to the USA, she didn't want to go.

That explains the previous thread where you were arguing that men should avoid Russia and Ukraine altogether.

[Enot]

As I said, I'm tired of trying to make "pigs" sing.  You haven't understood a thing I've said Misha.

[Misha]

As I said, I'm tired of trying to make "pigs" sing.  You haven't understood a thing I've said Misha.

If I weren't so nice, I would like to give you a Russian lesson right now and teach you a few more choice Russian words 

[Enot]

That explains the previous thread where you were arguing that men should avoid Russia and Ukraine altogether.

Actually it doesn't explain anything.  At my second attempt I e-mailed and called many women from the Ukraine (Kharkov) and Russia (St. Petesberg) but decided to see and meet a woman from Moldova.

[Turboguy]

Well, I would think Moldova would be more an alternate place to meet women rather than an alternate way of meeting women if we want to nit pick the wording.

I have a good friend who fell flat on his face during numerous trips to Moscow and has now been happily married to a gal from Moldova for around 3 years.   I don't consider that as a mandate that everyone should head to Moldova.  Lots of guys find their wives anywhere from Moscow to Vladivostok or Ukraine or Belarus or one of the Stans.  I think it is a numbers game and the more options you leave yourself the more likely you are to find happiness.

[Enot]

More word twisting.  I didn't specify Moldova.  I said any other FSU country like Belarus, Moldova, or Uzbekistan (see post #17).

[Admin]

Anyone noticed that the OP, flga, has not been back for any follow-ups?

- Dan