Specific Ukrainian Woman

[Vaughn]

i am thinking a little bit about starting back up with her, but i probably won't do it. maybe because for me, she is just not that attractive.

I assure you she is very attractive to many many men - and is communicating with all of them, for as long as
they will entertain the dream.

Just a few questions, AramisLux - have you been to the FSU yet? Also, what's your thought on 6 months of
communication with a lady and no real plan to go visit her?

if this is true, WTH are we are all trying to do this for?

Because she's been marketed as available, beautiful, young - and waiting just for you, and me,
and Fred, and Billy, and whoever will cough up the fees.   

[AramisLux]

no, i have never been to the FSU, but i would love to go there if maybe just to see what all of the talk is all about.

my thoughts on six months of communications with a lady and no real plan to go visit her?

you ask this as if there is something unusual about it. are we not all familiar with this process: getting to know someone and deciding if it is worth pursuing? someone opening a line of communications with someone else and seeing where it goes is not so unusual to me. sometimes these things turn into brief friendships and sometimes they just fizzle out after two emails. maybe other people tend to move on after just a few emails. maybe and maybe not. i have not written to Zhanna in quite a few months, but i feel that if i were to do it again, she would treat me pretty much like she did before. but at the same time, i wouldn't be at all surprised if i got a letter from "Zhanna" that demonstrated a total lack of knowledge about our prior communications. like getting a letter composed by someone named Demetri or Feder.

maybe i should try it and see what kind of response i get.

if you are trying to make the point that Zhanna is just a con artist, than i get what you are saying. you can find cons at dance clubs in Kiev as well. True?

how do we know Zhanna is not available? lets see if we can get Stirlitz to "extract" her!! he may even know her already.

there is this implication that attractive FSUWs shouldn't have an interest in foreign men (like you and me). so lots of attractive women in Ukraine can get lots of local men (should they so choose). so what do they need us for?

i guess the point i am trying to make here is that Zhanna is just as entitled to seek a foreign man like any other Ukrainian beauty without people suggesting that she must be doing what she is doing as part of a con job. maybe she is a con artist. there Ukrainian beauties that don't want a local guy, true?

[Vaughn]

there Ukrainian beauties that don't want a local guy, true?

IMHO, absolutely. You really should hop a flight and go there. Far more appealing than
a two dimensional gallery like HRB. What's your definition of "a beauty"? Is it more the
cover girl type who photographs well - or would an attractive lady who could love you
back fit the bill? 

someone opening a line of communications with someone else and seeing where it goes is not so unusual to me.

My point was to try and put yourself in the woman's shoes....  a sincere woman, that is. She won't feel too
fulfilled writing and talking to a WM for six months, wondering if he'll ever spring for a passport & trip to
actually meet. Now a professional writer, like Zhanna, won't push things. The money is in the prolonged
communication - and the webcam sessions.

[Faux Pas]

no, i have never been to the FSU, but i would love to go there if maybe just to see what all of the talk is all about.

my thoughts on six months of communications with a lady and no real plan to go visit her?

you ask this as if there is something unusual about it. are we not all familiar with this process: getting to know someone and deciding if it is worth pursuing? someone opening a line of communications with someone else and seeing where it goes is not so unusual to me.

AramisLux,

Just curious, how much money did you spend communicating with Zhanna and how long were you pen/cam pals?

[AramisLux]

i see what you mean about her motivation. maybe making money really was the bulk of her motivation. that could easily be true. i wouldn't argue with it.

actually, she might have suggested once or twice making a visit to see her . i just don't remember now if she ever did that.

as for going there, i have been putting a lot of thought and research into going there to live for 2 -3 years. the way our economy is going, 3 years overseas means i won't be missing much in the US, except a lot of disappointments.

finding work there is one of the more significant concerns. the economic situation is making that real challenging now, but i would still love to do it.

[Simoni]

it was stated in a prior post: "do you really think this girl is interested in a long distance, international relationship?  She can have any man she wants locally."

if this is true, WTH are we are all trying to do this for?

Yeah, I wrote that.

I have "been there, done that."  Here is the way it works...

An agency puts up the pics of a beautiful young girl.  She is real, but not interested in romance. It's just a job.  They pay her well, to string lots of men along, and even meet them and "date" them when they come visit. But most men never come.

She has her own bf and own life, and a good one.  She is beautiful, after all.

Why write the 10s and the girls at the top of the list?  The 9s are almost as beautiful, as are the 8s.  And with them, you must might have a chance.

[AramisLux]

i wrote to her for about nine months. she wasn't someone that i wrote to as soon as i got an email from her, so i probably only wrote to her about every two weeks.

as for live chats, i probably chatted with her about four times. each chat was actually quite brief due to the fact that on each occasion i was doing this just before leaving for work.

i don't remember ever specifically doing video with her. i would remember that i think. so nothing significant was spent to do video with her. unlike one or two other girls there that i did lots of video chats with.

and i did buy or one box of candy. i may still have a photo of that.

[AramisLux]

for me, Zhanna is a long ways away from being a 10. but she has a very nice personality and fun disposition. i think she is more like a 7 - 8. there are lots of other RW at hrb and other sites that are more attractive, IMHO.

[Simoni]

... she has a very nice personality and fun disposition.

Your really need to go and meet her in real life. You don't really know if the picture matches the person you are writing to until you do.  In my opinion, long letter writing is a waste of time.  Write just a few letters and then go meet them.

[Misha]

for me, Zhanna is a long ways away from being a 10. but she has a very nice personality and fun disposition. i think she is more like a 7 - 8. there are lots of other RW at hrb and other sites that are more attractive, IMHO.

If you don't mind my asking, how much have you spent chatting with women to date at HRB?

[Daveman]

for me, Zhanna is a long ways away from being a 10. but she has a very nice personality and fun disposition. i think she is more like a 7 - 8. there are lots of other RW at hrb and other sites that are more attractive, IMHO.

Ohhhhpuuuhhfreakinleeeeze... I must me going completely blind... the babe in that photo is a capital TEN in my book...  I can see how any red blooded... nevermind...

Really Aramis, see the logic in what the guys are telling you here.. think about it.

[Simoni]

Ohhhhpuuuhhfreakinleeeeze... I must me going completely blind... the babe in that photo is a capital TEN in my book...  I can see how any red blooded... nevermind...

Yeah, if she is not a "10," then HRB must be filled with models and hollywood stars, or at least their pictures.

[Gator]

If you don't mind my asking, how much have you spent chatting with women to date at HRB?

i wrote to her for about nine months... about every two weeks...chatted with her about four times....

That equals about 20 letters.  I do not know about the HRB fees for its services as it is not disclosed on their public webpage.  For comparison, Cindy Agency (where the women are real and serious) each letter costs $4-5 to include the interpreter.  Also, letters from Cindy ladies are free.  So, the cost for Aramis's letter writing would be only $100.  

3-way phone calls at Cindy are expensive, $1/minute.  So four calls at an assumed 45 minutes each would equal $180.

Total estimated cost = $300 (if Cindy and many of the other agencies in Ukraine).

I would really appreciate knowing what it costs for letters and a chat at HRB.  Please help us, AramisLux.  My guess is that it is more, much more.  However, given that Aramis grades Zhanna as a 7-8, I would say he is numerically challenged and the number could be suspect.

[AramisLux]

i broke up with Zhanna many months ago and never had anything going with her more than serious good worthwhile friendship. the friendship got romantic in places; for example, when we wrote to each other about what it might have been like if i surprised her at her "beauty contest" - smiling from a seat in the front row. that was all very nice. it was very fun. she was disappointed in me at one point because of a misunderstanding that we had. we had a connection part of the time. but i moved on from it. she didin't cost me much money. not like taking women out to restaurants and movies. or buying them jewelry. not even close.

its not as if Zhanna has me trapped in her underground lair.

as for whether she is a ten, i guess we all have different things we look for. i am not going to say she is not very good looking, but she just doesn't have the body of a ten, IMHO. she has a very petite body type. some guys love that. i like to get my hands full. i like a more curvashious looking body.

as for how much i may have spent chatting with women at hrb, i really don't know, but i can say that i have not chatted with anyone on the internet in a long time. maybe it has been many months. again, for me, this is not anything like buying jewelry or fancy dinners for women.

[Simoni]

However, given that Aramis grades Zhanna as a 7-8, I would say he is numerically challenged and the number could be suspect.

Good line, Gator :-) LOL

[Simoni]

as for how much i may have spent chatting with women at hrb

Ok, let's make it simple.  How much does it cost per month for a membership at HRB, or how much does it cost per letter?

AramisLux-- dump this agency and to to one where the girls are real.

[kievstar]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I could not date this girl to short for me and she is not a 10 but every guy is different.  Even on anastia she is not rated very high in Odessa.

[Misha]

as for how much i may have spent chatting with women at hrb, i really don't know

How can you not know? Can you estimate? Did you spend, for example, between 0 and 500 dollars; 501 and 1000 dollars; 1001 and 1500...

[AramisLux]

yeah, i am numerically challenged!!!!! that is very funny. i make very good money mostly by crunching numbers. i am a numbers guy professionally. this is all so ironic. i am by profession, a financial analyst. working with numbers is all i do really. that is 99% of my work product.

i always say, and this is the AramisLux rule of irony: IF SOMETHING IRONIC CAN HAPPEN, IT WILL!

cost of letters works out to $4 per. do you people keep all of the receipts that you get from restaurants and keep ledgers on each dime you spend on each specific girlfriend? some guys might do that. i don't do it. maybe because i do that kind of thing at work all day, so when i get home, it is the last thing i want to do.

and i will say, that i think there are a lot of women at hrb that are more attractive than Zhanna. hate to say that about someone that has been a friend to me, but we are talking with a lot of honesty right now.

[Simoni]

and i will say, that i think there are a lot of women at hrb that are more attractive than Zhanna.

Lux, until you get on the plane and meet the girls in person, you have NO idea how they look.  Photoshop does wonders.  As does posting pics of girls who are not even with the agency.

[Misha]

cost of letters works out to $4 per. do you people keep all of the receipts that you get from restaurants and keep ledgers on each dime you spend on each specific girlfriend?

How much does it cost to chat? As for keeping receipts and knowing how much I spend, the answer is yes. I keep track of what I spend and I know how much I spend and where.

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and i will say, that i think there are a lot of women at hrb that are more attractive than Zhanna. hate to say that about someone that has been a friend to me, but we are talking with a lot of honesty right now.
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As others told you, until you meet them, they are nothing more than photos. How can someone be a friend to you when you have only chatted online?

[Gator]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I could not date this girl to short for me and she is not a 10 but every guy is different.  Even on anastia she is not rated very high in Odessa.

The Odessa comment intrigued me.  I searched the Anastia site and found no catalogue of Odessa women.  Did find a catalog of AW's best brunettes.  I was overwhelmed and bedazzled, yet only a couple compared to Zhanna IMO.  The combination of grey eyes with brunette hair has always made me look twice.  Hopefully you did not prefer the one who had a large amount of ink on her breast.

Too short at 5'7"!!!  Okay TooTall Kievstar.  The circus performer - model - Olympian I dated is 5'9".  Her legs were always getting in the way.    

Everyone is different.  You want an Amazon, Aramis wants a big booty (actually, difficult to find in the FSU).  I just wanted someone who is physically attractive yet has an overabundance of all those things that make one happy for a lifetime.  As it turned out, my wife is stunning.

[AramisLux]

as i wrote already, i really would like to go live in Ukraine. for me, that would be the best way, by far, of getting this type of job DONE! meeting people in person is a huge part of getting this to work, and any guy that has his boots on the ground in Ukraine has a 100:1 advantage, IMHO.

i don't really expect to become at all emotionally involved with anyone using the internet to communicate - relate. IMHO, anyone who thinks he is in a relationship or emotionally involved with someone using this thing is someone with a kindof problem.

i know all about how photos are modified. i learned that very quickly at hrb. part of doing the whole hrb type of thing is to see how they play their game. for some reason i find that interesting. i am aware of the games they play. i would not be surprised if hrb were really nothing more than a very good computer program. if it were, i would not be completely surprised.

has anyone asked Stirlitz if he knows Zhanna? maybe he has got her whole life story by now.

check with him....

[Misha]

for some reason i find that interesting. i am aware of the games they play. i would not be surprised if hrb were really nothing more than a very good computer program.

So, why are you throwing your money away? And, you seem a bit obsessed about Zhanna.

[Gator]

AramisLux,

You should try a trip just to check out the scene, without getting all lathered up about finding a wife.  It is an interesting adventure the first time, especially if you are just looking.  If you date some well-intended women, you will be treated well.  My guess is that if you get your feet wet, you will soon return for a complete body baptism.