Specific Ukrainian Woman

[groovlstk]

it seems that the scamming at hrb is getting more and more obvious everyday. seems like times are getting very desperate for them.

Or more lucrative.

FWIW, it was always obvious that HRB was scamming people. The only ones who refuse to acknowledge it are the fools throwing money at pretty pictures and "falling in love" with women who would never give them the time of day on the street.

[JR]

so how good of a PUA are you anyway Jolly? 

What's a PUA? Pick Up Artists have to go out and work for it. I have to fight them off! There's a difference you know...

[Sculpto]

not to redirect the topic away from the political topics currently under discussion, but i thought followers of this thread might like to know that, after almost one year without any letter writing, "Zhanna" just sent me an email. of course, it was your basic simple form letter. the "Z" that i used to know would never have sent me such a letter.

it seems that the scamming at hrb is getting more and more obvious everyday. seems like times are getting very desperate for them.

Just understand that HRB is merely the conduit for the scam.. the "fishing letters" come from the local affiliate agencies in Ukraine that list the same girls on many different sites.  HRB, AWEB and a long list of others are being used by the local agencies to perpetrate the scam. 

Girls like Zhanna know it is happening, and, do absolutely nothing to stop it because they are benefiting from it financially.

[Sculpto]

What's a PUA? Pick Up Artists have to go out and work for it. I have to fight them off! There's a difference you know...

LOL.. you didn't specify who "them" is.. you did say you live in West Hollywood didn't you? 

[JR]

"Them" are always exclusively Smoking Hot Babes, of the born female variety. And no I don't live in Hollywood, North or West thank you very much

[Sculpto]

JR.. I gotta hand it to ya.. you have a good sense of humor. 

[BillR]

Anybody know if he's there now?

How would anyone here be able to tell if I was on HRB?  There's nothing more to tell.  My last post said it: case closed.

[Sculpto]

How would anyone here be able to tell if I was on HRB?  There's nothing more to tell.  My last post said it: case closed.

I can tell but i am not saying how. 

[JR]

JR.. I gotta hand it to ya.. you have a good sense of humor. 

Ya gotta laff man....

[feeltherush]

Hi there how are you hope you are doing well, I been reading your post. Is been almost 5 years since i made a huge huge mistake look for a Russian i mean on line dating. If you go for example to HRB there are more than 10,000 male members big number right. and there are more than 10,000 women register wish all they are 100% real sound ridiculous but it is true unless you have a silver tongue you will get into their heart. But my point is if they know you are on line.
- Yes they know even if you go invisible how they know they have a guy inside each studio where they come to chat he take care of computers. For example check the women from Yalta look central time in USA and look their time there at 12 pm they will close studio this guy who is there he will stay until 3 or 4 in the morning he will send email follow the email all emails are the same only little change.
-Do they get pay yes they do
-Do i meet then in real life, Yes i did since 2004 i meet with 11 Ukrainian girls one Belorussian total 12 girls total of 14 trips to Ukraine and 1 to Belarus.
-Are they real, Yes they are exactly as are in photos.
How do i know they get pay for chatting, Because i date an office manager from HRB (studio manager)
Why i didn't marry a Ukrainian woman, I am hispanic didn't work with me although I am only 32 years old.
-Are they are high maintenance, Yes they are.
-Since I date an studio manager I was curious once I ask to her if i can get into zolushka so i got a username and password I log in I pretend i was a woman i was surprise with what i read quiet few emails women receive from guys are only about sex i read an email a 68 years old man send an email to a 19 years old what is that.
-HRB is a money making machine an all us contribute to then so theirs bank account get fat and ours wallet get emty.
-Check elnarak at HRB I meet her for accident in a club near where she live is one of the most well educated woman i ever meet, talk in my life for the few hours we spend talking. although that is not her profile name anymore but she is very popular in black mail wish i never understand why.
-I have nothing against of HRB and nothing against the girls we as men we follow our penis not our brain if we sit and think here in USA there are plenty of good women around much much better than any European man we have a big mouth nothing wrong with telling a woman how beautiful she is we don't have to flight quiet few hundred miles.
-I wake up finally after 5 years I marry a woman of my own culture but also i have many good friends that are Ukrainians (female) I also feel sorry for then.
I know most of you when you read about this will say what a silly man.
"THE ONLY THING FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS FOR GOOD MAN TO DO NOTHING"
If you want know more ask me I am an open book I know more than what you think.

[AramisLux]

feeltherush:

you say you saw 'elnarak' at a club. is it knows as the kaktus club or something like that? what city/town/village was this in?

[Sculpto]

Elnara lives in Yalta when she is not in Kiev.  She is a dope head and a scammer.  She might be real smart and is certainly gorgeous, but, she is 100% fraud.

[AramisLux]

2012isFiction:

of course i don't doubt what you say; i was just wondering if i could get any kind of a 'confirmation' about things she told me from our good friend 'feeltherush'.

i know nothing about her being smart; i'll take your word for her saying she uses lots of weed (she told you this i assume).

[Sculpto]

why would you even care?  that girl is playing games.. nothing more.  Most likely she belongs to some mobster.

[tom074]

Wow I can not believe I somehow missed such an interesting debate about HRB.  And the fact that the orchid agency was mentioned makes it even more interesting.  OK, so, here are some facts about how HRB and its affiliate agencies function.  And, for the record.. the Orchid Agency in Odessa is the prototype for how the scam works.  They are the experts.

Ok, so the Orchid Agency runs ads in the Odessa papers that vary from "find your western husband" to "work on the internet and make easy money".  They have fashion shows and beauty contests for their membership.  The agency office itself is very attractive with lots of computers and comfortable furnishings.  There are always drinks and snacks for the ladies.  If you go to Odessa to meet one of their girls they will treat you well and make you feel as though you are in very professional company.  That is why their scam works so well.

They are classic bait and switchers.

The girls are on contract and will refuse to communicate off site.  They will claim it is for safety, but, it is because they are in fact generating more money than anyone even has guessed at here. 

A popular girl from this agency will generate dozens of letters and chat minutes a day and a huge quantity of gifts.  The girls have the choice of taking the gifts or a percentage of the profit.  On the candy and flowers they take the cash.  On the spa certificates a lot of them will go to the spa.  Etc... and yes the gift photos are totally posed. 

The agency has laptops they let the most popular girls take home.  The agency will pay for their internet connection and they have quotas of gifts they are to solicit.  HRB rules supposedly prohibit the outright solicitation of gifts but it happens anyway.  The smarter ones will say things like.. "oh my friend got such nice flowers" or, "I really have a feeling for some chocolate" or "I really wish to go to the spa, my back is so tired I need a relax" etc.  Sometimes they will also directly admonish you for not sending flowers on all the appropriate flower days to make you feel guilty so you will be sure to do it next time.

Now, the next part is the real clincher for suckers.  If you should question the lady about why she will nto have contact off the site and suggest things are not on the up and up the girl will refer you to the testimonials where the owners and managers of Orchid are highly praised, and, even more convincing are profiles like the one below.

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Now, I used to chat with Ksusha quite a lot.  She gave me a long song and dance about how I was the right guy for her until I didn't send her flowers and a lot of other BS.  She argued with me a lot and got especially angry when I refused to view her on the cam for more than a minute.  She would say "why you don't see me on cam?"  I would reply, I saw you for a minute, you look nice.  "but why you stop looking?"  what else is there to see, you are just sitting there?  "but you should look at me"  Ksusha, who is typing for you, you speak almost perfect English?  "there is manager typing for me"

Got it?  Thats how it works!  It is a scam plain and simple.  I do not believe her current profile is truthful.  Why?

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This one had the same thing on her profile last year.  Engaged to a man she loved so much and so very thankful to Orchid Agency for introducing them.  So, what the hell happened to Oprincess' fiance?  Why is she now listed as if she is looking?  Care to venture a guess?

The part that makes me the most sad aabout Ksusha is this.

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Little sister Tanya.  So, in this case scamming has become a family affair. 

So, how to recognize if a lady is from the Orchid agency.  Well, first of all they seem to be quite proud of it and are very patriotic about it, so, just ask.  Orchid has offices throughout Ukraine that function with the same methods.  Second, they are very prone to highly photoshopping their ladies.  They also have been known to use hyper amounts of makeup to hide flaws.  Some of the girls don't even look real.  Oh and by the way, Orchid is a "Christian" agency and so if you see a profile full of BS about God and religion and contains the other telltales.. guess who?

in fact, a review of Zhanna's profile shows exactly what I mean.  Note the style of makeup and photography.  See a girl with this style of "art" on ANY major site and you can be sure that her local agency is Orchid or a satelite office. 

131392  she is online right now by the way.  not with the cam though.. so it isn't really her.. LOL

here are some other profiles from odessa that haven't changed in at least three years, since I first used HRB.  Most of these so called ladies contacted me on every other site I had a profile, even some of them after I had corresponded for a short time on HRB.  All of them are scams.  I am not sure if they are Orchid girls or not..

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  116457   
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184699 
111074 
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115017 

and here is one of my all time favs.. from Lugansk..

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this one did give up her phone number.  One evening I caught her with her top down on cam.  The HRB girls don't know who is viewing them.. I busted her.  She immediately told me to call her and then she did a little performance for me.    Later she invited me to visit her in Lugansk as a "friend" and claimed she is a virgin.  Her English isn't perfect, but its darn good.  She has no problem communicating in the least.  She has a nice apartment but doesn't have a job.  To test her I sent her a link to Victorias Secret.  She wanted me to send her about $1000 worth of stuff for which she would pay me back after it arrived, mostly purses but some shoes also.  HAHAHA yeah right.. I strung her along on that for almost two months.  Dumb biatch.  There are a bunch of other girls in the same Lugansk office working the site the same way.

Anyway... HRB is the ultimate fantasy site.  You can and will communicate with very hot girls and maybe even meet them in real life, but, you absolutely can not get married with any of them.

If curious, the profiles I referenced for the most part can be found on all the major sites.  This was one of the first major discoveries I had when trying to decifer how the scam works.  HRB is high profile, but, all the major sites are functioning on the same premise and method.

BUYER BEWARE

fin
 

Hello 2012,
You are expert! I need your help.Could you please tell me something about lady 228091? (Tatyanallove) She is from Odessa,very interesting and amazing women and I have plenty of email from her but I am really not sure what to do whith this. Maybe do you know her? I be grateful for your answer,
regards

[Sculpto]

Tom.. I just noticed this posting.. check my new thread about HRB, RLM girls and agencies for my answers. 

[hihaters]

FIRST of all, my post might be offencive(which should not surprise u after saying all that bs about me) but i dont want to offend people who is really looking for mutual feelings over internet since i am one of them.

now i will talk to men who is looking for trophy wife? or something like that.

guys come on , r u for real i am tierd of u all LOL constant QQ in forums
i think u have too much time in ur hends, get gym mebership and second job or some decent hobby may be? instand of spending so much time on the intertnet . pff
why u call gilrs on dating sites scumers idk .may be there is some but u have to turn on ur brain time to time and think who is and who is not, dont u see if woman has class or not? if she has pride or not? u all i bet pretty muture( not to say it in different way) so u suppose to know soemthing about women right ?
i understd why i am the "bad" one- ofcouse i said "no" to many men,also sometime i can be rude but only to save time to u and to myself! but again remeber urself in this age, and even now, u guys talk to much more then one woman why u so pissed off when women does same? couse u pay ? i dont cear if u do  i did not set up roulse for the site and nobody force u to do anything! so please have respect when u talk to lady, may be site administartors should kiss u in the ass but do not expect it from girls, specially girls like me. and u should be cearfull with words like scummers, couse it is  slender and what they do for it?  that is right ... and some of girls has enough conections everywhere. U used my pictures here without my permition it is already crime darling. Just let me get bored enough again and I’ll find out who u r.
wow it is going to be long one…
   oh and that Spanish guy LOL he is freaking perv! If u only knew what he told me .. u know people get drunk and they talk too much, so  that one has BIG mess in his head, like real one. But for me and my friend it was amusing( my friend was man and Spanish guy was trying to hit on him LOL , he was flashing womens underwear which he was wearing(poor Anthony)) I don’t mind gays they r just like anybody else. and why he calls me a scam when I did not even except drink from him?i knew him from lavalife and he wanted to merry me or at least said so, and after he told me about fantasies, I was like “ok nice knowing u “ and now we find out he has wife from his own culture, hahahah does she allows u all crazy things u want to do with woman and another guy? Weird … so knowing that I don’t sagest u guys meet his “good friends from Ukraine which are femails” they r probably  umm what u call… whores? Just he feels safe enough here so his wife won’t know about his dirty things LOL awesome I swear, she is probably rich this is why u worry so much  about not losing her. He said I am educated and smart yes I think I am  educated enough  to put u in jail or make u pay for all offensive BS u say here.met 12 girls on 14 trips( but listen we all got ur messege with all those 12 girls , u r cool dude, why u even talk to us) 

in my opinion all this bs about scumdating sites it is job of other dating sites who tryes to fight for attention (and to thise dating sites who steal my pics , I hate ya.just so u know)
 
just watch age difference , if American pretty ladies dosent want you why u think Russian will do?” don’t tell me there is no pretty ladies in America ok? I ve been there., they just the don’t want most of you, and Russian girls will reject  u also if u r her parents age,( god is’t it perverted, why don’t u just go and try to make out with ur doughters, pretty much same) and after this u trying to jadge me for being free young and beautifull? one lady told me that there is “leftovers” of American girls on the sites, I don’t think so, but I just let u know there is an opinion like that. also a lot of merried man who wants to come here for sextoure( hope u get aid on that one or something LOL(JK))
well would not really bother to write anything here just have a lot of time so ..i am talking to the best person in the world right now almost everyday and I have no complaines. i am pretty happy with my life and wish u same, a lot of u needs it
bye WINNERS!
Oh and again no offence
PWND
*giggle*

[boaterguy]

interesting! Hihater,Are you 1 of the ladies being discusses in this bloated thread?

[BillR]

Hi, I'm back.  No, I did not continue having anything to do with Zhanna.  However, something interesting has happened.  About 6 weeks ago I started receiving emails from ladies from Alena Marriage Agency.  They just kept coming in.  I looked at them because it didn't cost me anything.  Well one lady did catch my attention.  She's older than Zhanna and from Rumy in the Ukraine.  I wrote to her to see what would happen.  For one thing, the number of credits to read emails on this site varies wildly.  Hers were pretty low.  She said she is new to the site.  I think I remember this site being questionable.  Her emails have been like normal converations you would have with someone you've just met.  Some girls on this site have a "trust level" rating in percentages.  I emailed customer service to ask what that means.
That's not why I came back to this topic.  I received a "smile sent" message from a 21 yr. old named "Elena".  Her name on AMA is lady_midnight and her number is 1000349464.  What surprised me is how much her pictures look like a much younger Zhanna.  Hmmm...
I went back to HRB and ZhannC936 is still there.  Now she won a beauty contest a few months back and there is a video of her working at an orphanage, which also shows her talking about it in English.

If you Google Zhannc936 you will find a site with a thread about her being a pro-dater.  This guy actually met her.
 

[Faux Pas]

You're a little late to the dance Bill. This particular Zhanna was *cough* fingered here at RWD before. You might do a search and find it

[Shadow]

BillR, when you receive mails out of the blue that usually is not a good sign for the trustworthyness of the agency. If you are searching, you are the one who is supposed to put in the effort.