Why not Colombian women instead? Why Russian?

[Ade]

SJ, for work I am currently hired to cut cost and improve quality.  That is what I do.  So when I show up at a company it is not to make friends.  I have a lot of work in Europe right now.  I fire ivy league grads so get your facts straight.  Why pay people $200,000 plus when their trained to talk and not do.  I would rather hire a hard working kid from a small poor town who will do a lot more. 

So by "ivy league" you don't mean the best universities or am I misunderstanding this? Are you referring to the US Ivy League members then like Harvard, Cornell et al?

Maybe if you don't want people to misunderstand maybe you should be more explicit; your comments certainly have inferred that you've no respect for formal theoretical training and you make it a point to mention that you fire ivy league grads at any chance you are given.

[Shadow]

SJ, for work I am currently hired to cut cost and improve quality.  That is what I do.  So when I show up at a company it is not to make friends.  I have a lot of work in Europe right now.  I fire ivy league grads so get your facts straight.  Why pay people $200,000 plus when their trained to talk and not do.  I would rather hire a hard working kid from a small poor town who will do a lot more. 

Most of the guys hired to cut costs would succeed if they fire themselves 
But having worked in small organizations from very lean to fat I know a bit about those subjects, and can say that theoretical knowledge is not what you need when things get tight. At some point you need to get back to business and achieve more with less talk.

[Gator]

Two brief quotes from RWD people with business savvy.

First, the turnaround man:

SJ, for work I am currently hired to cut cost and improve quality.  That is what I do.  So when I show up at a company it is not to make friends.  I have a lot of work in Europe right now.  I fire ivy league grads so get your facts straight.  Why pay people $200,000 plus when their trained to talk and not do.  I would rather hire a hard working kid from a small poor town who will do a lot more. 

And next, the Dutchman (who are famous for business - look at what their little country has done over centuries):

But having worked in small organizations from very lean to fat I know a bit about those subjects, and can say that theoretical knowledge is not what you need when things get tight. At some point you need to get back to business and achieve more with less talk.

Both of you are correct from my perspective of having faced the 1982 recession with doubts about making payroll and my house on the line ("darling, don't worry").

I do hope that Kievstar evaluates people based on more than the source of their MBA degree (I have a MS degree from the Ivy League but in engineering, not business).  When hiring and firing people, I always considered the following acronym among other factors:

SWAN (smart, willing to work hard, ambitious, and a nice person to be around).  I agree that a MBA person who only talks is not smart, not willing to work hard and probably irritates his/her team members who are trying their best to turn around a troubled company.  And his/her ambition is probably blind, to the point that he feels entitled to rank and success simply because of his intense education.  Not someone to improve profits. 

Once the company is thriving again in the short term, there is a need for strategic planning, new products and marketing.  Does the "kid" have the talent to accomplish that?

[groovlstk]

Faux is right, losing and gaining large amounts of weight in extremely short periods or time is very unhealthy, doing it for a bet is just plain dumb. 

I can only vouch for myself, but I've done stupider things in my youth. I remember once immediately after donating blood as a teen, a friend and I went to a sauna to see who could do the most pushups without passing out. I lost and had a headache that would kill a cow 

[Shadow]

Once the company is thriving again in the short term, there is a need for strategic planning, new products and marketing.  Does the "kid" have the talent to accomplish that?

Most companies who survived previous crises were the ones who continued their strategic planning and marketing throughout the troubled times.  Stopping those activities can make a company take too long to regain its reputation when the market goes up.
The main trick is in making employees think about their habits and cutting the 'hidden extras' that are frowned but not acted upon during good times.

[kievstar]

Most of cost cutting and quality improvement is not people related.  Usually process improvement.  No company is lean.  Anybody thinking their company is lean is not looking. 

My current work is tax structure.  Moving to Swiss with favorable VAT and corporate income tax.  EU is not favorable for technological banking industry security. 

I always strive to eliminate my position as well.  So later this year will be working in Tampa / Orlando area.   That is current plan.

SJ - Harvard and Yale MBA.     I work in industries that have a ton of people from these schools. They have high salaries and little output.  I am not a big fan of higher education unless your a scientist, professor, doctor, lawyer, etc.   

This is my last post in this thread as I becoming like Mexico.   
 

[Makkin]

Kievstar,

  I do agree with your feelings on the MBA types..lol. They tend to read too much and not work as much in my opinion. If they could analyze themselves from birth to present then we would have a starting point in the here and now.

Makkin

[Ade]

Kievstar,

  I do agree with your feelings on the MBA types..lol. They tend to read too much and not work as much in my opinion. If they could analyze themselves from birth to present then we would have a starting point in the here and now.

Makkin

Yes, maybe you guys should ban all higher education. 

I guess you hadn't stopped to think for a minute that an MBA and productivity aren't necessarily or even usually mutually exclusive?  In my experience, those that make sweeping generalizations like "MBA's have high salaries and little output" normally do so because they suffer a little from envy and an overdeveloped inferiority complex.

If highly qualified people are being paid far more than they are worth to the company, well, that's the fault of the company.

[Andreas]

When I carry a lot of muscle and inshape I am around 245 pounds with 6% body fat

Those are the stats of a professional body builder. Unless you happen to be a Mr. Olympia competitor, I think you might have misjudged your own body fat percentage. Six pack abs can be seen at about 12-15 % body fat, depending on the size of the muscles, not 10% as some would have you believe.
Even I can claim to have visible upper abs on an empty stomach, and up until recently I did powerlifting and thus for long periods of time force fed myself to a degree where my stomach felt like it was going to explode in order to gain weight.
I guess my body fat percentage was at about 20-22% at its highest. I'm guessingits down to about 18-20% now after I've started doing more cardio for strongman competitions.
I'm 6"2 and I currently weigh about 280 lbs.

How much do you lift in the "three big ones" (squat, bench press and deadlift) by the way?

[Shadow]

How much do you lift in the "three big ones" (squat, bench press and deadlift) by the way?

7 pounds, every two hours. 

[Kuna]

7 pounds, every two hours. 

 

I can empathise with you COMPLETELY... and I hope all is well in the House of Shadows!   

[el_ruso2]

This was an interesting read!  I am considering starting a dating/ introduction site in Colombia in a few months, and was doing research on guys' preferences, as it seems that there are a lot more agencies and dating sites introducing Russian women than there are those for South American women.  From what I can tell, there are many guys who specifically like the looks of Russian women, but there are many more who are open-minded about it if they find a nice and attractive lady.  So I guess the fact that there are more Russian women agencies/ sites is due to greater supply than greater demand.

I myself am of Russian descent, speak fluent Russian, but I strongly prefer South American women, both in terms of their looks and personality.  Maybe, that's the opposites attract situation    My family and my father especially really wants me to end up marrying a Russian girl though.  I have met a number of Russian women here in Miami, and count several as my friends, but never considered dating them.  In part I do like the South American look a lot more.  Also Latin women are more extraverted and friendly.  And most Russian women I have met are extremely materialistic.  When I was growing up in FSU it was not like that at all, but whatever happened over there in the 90s and beyond has really changed the people.  Most of the girls I know, both here and in Moscow, either go out with a "sponsor", or are actively looking for one.  And that's just not my type of a woman. 

Well, anyway, I sincerely wish luck to all of you guys, and thank you all for your insights!

[I/O]

Most of the girls I know, both here and in Moscow, either go out with a "sponsor", or are actively looking for one.

[Chelseaboy]

Mamba has many girls looking for sponsors.
Whether the girls attitudes were different in the 90's i have no idea,because i wasn't looking then.
It would be interesting to see if the more experienced members have noticed a change in the girls attitudes since the 90's.Have girls in the FSU become more materialistic ?
I read on another forum that the girls in Kiev have become VERY materialistic,and i was told by a girl from Odessa,that money is the new God there.

[Gator]

Also Latin women are more extraverted and friendly. 

On average, I agree.  Yet, friendly, outgoing RW exist.  If these qualities are important to you, why not find such a RW?

And most Russian women I have met are extremely materialistic.  When I was growing up in FSU it was not like that at all, but whatever happened over there in the 90s and beyond has really changed the people.

 

Extremely?  Maybe the insecurity of the 1990s compels RW to seek security, and many RW measure "security" in money terms.  Yet, IMO there are  more RW who define  "security" as a man with a respectable job who has proven himself to be reliable and generous (not greedy).

Most of the girls I know, both here and in Moscow, either go out with a "sponsor", or are actively looking for one.  And that's just not my type of a woman. 

I agree that such women have a corrupted soul.  My questions to you:  Where are you looking for RW?   What prompts you to approach one RW and not another?

If in a club at 3am I imagine that many women may be such, particularly those with model looks and a low IQ. 

You say "most of the girls" are seeking sponsors.  How do you know?  Do you date these RW a few times and they reveal their true intentions.  Is it possible that they do not consider you as a "quality" man suitable for marriage, yet are willing to spend time with you for a brief period provided you are a Sugar Daddy?

In contrast with your experience, I spent time with over 20 RW and only a few seemed this way.   The vast majority expected their man to take care of them when they moved to a foreign land, yet they were looking for love, security and fun.   I will admit almost all RW I met were in their 30s and 40s.   Maybe you need to  adjust your MO.   

[Gator]

It would be interesting to see if the more experienced members have noticed a change in the girls attitudes since the 90's.

I started in 2002 so I missed the 90s, yet heard about it from many RW.  My assessment - there were more economic problems in the 1990s and many RW, particularly single mothers, were near desperation.  However, while RW were short on cash, most were long on pride and would do their best to hide any desperation. 

I read on another forum that the girls in Kiev have become VERY materialistic,and i was told by a girl from Odessa,that money is the new God there.

You must examine both the men and women who go to Kiev and Odessa.  Hordes of European men travel to these cities, many seeking a good time rather than marriage.  Some may even be married and do not mind supporting a woman temporarily.  A number of the UW have moved there from the provinces, most seeking a more exciting life and economic opportunity.   You can fill in the blanks.  Are all women this way?  No.   

[Misha]

Most of the girls I know, both here and in Moscow, either go out with a "sponsor", or are actively looking for one.  And that's just not my type of a woman.

It is a good thing that they are not your type of woman, but something tells me that you may have been looking for love in all the wrong places  If you speak Russian and are not capable of finding normal women in the USA or Moscow, then I would have to say that you may not be looking in the right places. As Gator mentioned, if you are looking in night clubs and expensive restaurants and cafes where average women cannot afford to go or would not go, then you may be inadvertently surrounded by the wrong type of woman 

[el_ruso2]

If you speak Russian and are not capable of finding normal women in the USA or Moscow, then I would have to say that you may not be looking in the right places.

Well, I was never looking specifically for Russian women, and the ones I have met here were not through clubs and such.  I am in business, and know a lot of Russian people in Miami, and whatever girls I have met were friends or acquaintances of someone I already know.  And the ones I have met in Moscow were through my father.  He works in fashion industry also, so he has even hooked me up with a couple of actual models on my visits.  I was not impressed enough to prefer them to Colombian girls though.

Extremely?  Maybe the insecurity of the 1990s compels RW to seek security, and many RW measure "security" in money terms.  Yet, IMO there are  more RW who define  "security" as a man with a respectable job who has proven himself to be reliable and generous (not greedy).

The issue is not insecurity.  The rapid economic polarization of the society is.  The common denominant so to speak is the ambition to become wealthy that is very apparent.  There are golddiggers among AW, Latinas, etc., but they are not as brazen.  For example, I went to the boat/ yacht show here in Miami last week.  The brokers selling them were usually guys in polo shirts.  Yet there were several females, only selling the most expensive ones, and all those females were Russian of course.  They were obviously on a mission not just to sell the boats, but to hook up with the buyers as well.  This golddigging ambition is just so obvious and apparent that it turns me off.  This is not about finding a decent guy to provide financial security.  This is about being obsessed about having a millionaire lifestyle and finding a richer guy than her friends.  As one of my friend's friend put it when I asked her what does she do for a living, she said "I have a boyfriend".
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You say "most of the girls" are seeking sponsors.  How do you know?  Do you date these RW a few times and they reveal their true intentions.  Is it possible that they do not consider you as a "quality" man suitable for marriage, yet are willing to spend time with you for a brief period provided you are a Sugar Daddy?

No, I don't date them.  I am friends with them, and they talk to me.  They are more sincere with me because I don't make a move on them, and because I am Russian.  I get along with Russian women usually really well, too, and enjoy being friends with them.  But I rarely consider them for something beyond friendship.  

In contrast with your experience, I spent time with over 20 RW and only a few seemed this way.   The vast majority expected their man to take care of them when they moved to a foreign land, yet they were looking for love, security and fun.   I will admit almost all RW I met were in their 30s and 40s.   Maybe you need to  adjust your MO.  

I am in my 30s myself, so I am interested in the girls in their 20s.  

Anyway, I am not trying to say that all Russian women are bad.  Obviously there are many here who found wives or girlfriends who are nice and sincere.  They do exist.  I know many who are very nice (and almost all of them are in their upper 30s, 40s and up), my own mother is from Russia.  My cousins are Russians.  My grandmothers were Russian.  Obviously I think they are excellent people.  But the majority of the Russian girls I have met whom I might consider dating did not impress me at all.
And I generally prefer Latin women's physical features, too.  The lack of natural tan can be fixed easily, especially in Miami, but few Russian women have hips like Latin women do.  And the ones that do think it is a bad thing!  

[Muzh]

El_Ruso2:

Just for clarification purposes, you put your gender as female. Please verify, just out of curiosity. I wouldn't ask if your avatar was La_Rusa2.

[Gator]

The issue is not insecurity.  The rapid economic polarization of the society is.  The common denominant so to speak is the ambition to become wealthy that is very apparent.  There are golddiggers among AW, Latinas, etc., but they are not as brazen.

Good answer.  Much like many people working on Wall Street.  The problem with such women is that they are never satisfied, much akin to some  American businessmen who keep going even though they and their children can not spend in a lifetime what they have accumulated.

And I generally prefer Latin women's physical features, too.  The lack of natural tan can be fixed easily, especially in Miami, but few Russian women have hips like Latin women do.  And the ones that do think it is a bad thing!   

Ah ha! The essence of the truth is revealed.  You want a booty, not a bony ass.  Yep, LW win that contest.  In Miami you are surrounded by LW.  It is interesting that many Latin men enjoy the look of the RW, especially those with light eyes and blond hair.   I do not know how well the LM personality connects with the RW personality, speaking in broad generalities.

[Muzh]

And I generally prefer Latin women's physical features, too.  The lack of natural tan can be fixed easily, especially in Miami, but few Russian women have hips like Latin women do.  And the ones that do think it is a bad thing!  

Aguanta los caballos Mister. Most of the FSU women I've seen here in the US and in Ukraine have hips just like latinas. What you are talking about are NALGAS, butt, gluteus maximus. And being in Miami around all those latinas (ay mama, dame fuerzas), I guess most RWs will be bony ass.

[el_ruso2]

Ha ha ha!  I am definitely a male.  Not sure how come I got registered a female...  I tried to figure out how to change my gender in the profile, but so far no luck.   

And yes, I did mean nalgas.  There are RW with them, but it is not common, and if they got them, they are preoccupied about how to lose them.  And there is nothing that can convince them to change their mind.

As for Latin men, I actually think they are more likely to succeed with RW than average.  Besides, most RW are very attracted to their look and personality by default.  Every Russian girl's fantasy is to have a romance with a Latin guy.  That's perhaps the main reason why telenovelas were so popular in Russia.

[SANDRO43]

Ha ha ha!  I am definitely a male.  Not sure how come I got registered a female...  I tried to figure out how to change my gender in the profile, but so far no luck.

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Quicker than going to Tangiers, and less painful .

[chivo]

I myself am of Russian descent, speak fluent Russian, but I strongly prefer South American women, both in terms of their looks and personality.  Maybe, that's the opposites attract situation   

Maybe it is about opposites as I'm Latin and like the Slavic look. I understand the attraction to Latinas BTW.

When I was growing up in FSU it was not like that at all, but whatever happened over there in the 90s and beyond has really changed the people.  Most of the girls I know, both here and in Moscow, either go out with a "sponsor", or are actively looking for one.

Hasn't been my experience. Most that I know or have met (and that would be in the 1000's ages 20-40) just want a good man who will provide for them. Nobody has a problem with the finer things in life should it be afforded them, but that's any people or race. Maybe it's just the RW you're meeting, like "model" types for instance or the ones who decided to migrate to the USA.

I have met many women like the ones you talk about but they were Americans living in Los Angeles .

As for Latin men, I actually think they are more likely to succeed with RW than average.  Besides, most RW are very attracted to their look and personality by default.  Every Russian girl's fantasy is to have a romance with a Latin guy.  That's perhaps the main reason why telenovelas were so popular in Russia.

I do fine here in Moscow and have no problem meeting/dating ladies if I so desire that's for sure, must be my personality .  Well at least the ones who don't mistake me as being from Dagistan

[LAman]

Aguanta los caballos Mister. Most of the FSU women I've seen here in the US and in Ukraine have hips just like latinas. What you are talking about are NALGAS, butt, gluteus maximus. And being in Miami around all those latinas (ay mama, dame fuerzas), I guess most RWs will be bony ass.

Hola Muzh!!!!  Yes, the NALGAS are fairly noticeable BUT they are not as bad as having large MUSLOS, thighs, when they get to be tree trucks I'm just afraid of being snapped in two. Some RW due have 'child bearing hips' but most are slender with 'tight' thighs....not that I am a thighs man, I kinda like to get notice what I see first...depending of course from the front side or rear view mirror!!!