maybe they should rename these agencies...

[anono]

seems almost all the women i have met over the past year from agencies want to go to a sushi restaurant on a first meeting.

i have learned to decline the offer and suggest we go to a cafe for juice or coffee. funny how the ladies have two hours to go to a japanese restaurant but if you take them to a cafe, they only have 30 minutes.

woman i met last night had time for sushi, but when i said no, we're going for coffee, she only had 30 min for me

i am finding it is a good tool. you'll find out quickly if there is any sincere interest and instead of costing you $100+, it'll only cost you 18 grivna (approx $4).

it is beginning to look like most of these women join an agency to get a free meal (of their choosing, if you let them). i think the word is out that most american men will take a lady on a first meeting to a nice restaurant. i guess they figure if they are going to get dressed up and go out for a meeting, they may as well get a good meal out of it.

it really does look like the only way you are going to find a good lady here is to find them other ways than through the agencies, unless you are extremely lucky.

[groovlstk]

I've found a big disparity in attitude between girls who've been with an agency and those who are new. The girls who've been around awhile are mostly disallusioned and have low expectations. Back in April, I met a girl who was new to Cindy agency and I was the first guy she met. I hooked up with her again, as a friend, two nights ago and her attitude towards this business has turned completely. Lucky for her she met a great guy a week ago and she's currently off-limits.

The most interesting girl I've met here is also brand new to Cindy, I'm hoping to hook up with her again today.

[anono]

mark, you hit it right on. i always look for the newest ladies. "j" is a good example of this. i am the first man who wrote and the first she met. she had not even been to kiev!

almost all the women i know of (from friends or otherwise) who have been at the agencies for any amount of time have low expectations. who wouldn't after they see a string of clueless men so willing to part with their money or who are only interested if they can cook? gives you an idea of what some of the men coming here are like..no personalities, no idea how to date women.... no wonder they are disillusioned...

i think this is one reason they become professional daters. they know the men are chumps, have no interest in them at all, but if they are willing to take them out to nice restaurants and buy them things, why not?  and many will exchange sex for the continued presents and dinners...

i had one woman tell me she does not know how, or is uncomfortable asking for money...all i had to do was fill in the blanks..

[anono]

another thing i try and do is get a flat from a third party unaffiliated with the agency. this way i do not feel as if the agency has a vested interest in my spending several days in their city.

sometimes i am only able to make one meeting a day due to the woman being at work. it makes me feel as if the agency is trying to keep me in the city longer so they make a few bucks off the flat.

[KenC]

I think you guys are on the mark here,  The worst influence in agencies are the terps too.  They know the drill and are only too willing to educate the newbie girls as to what can be had from the guys.  And since they are exposed to many more men than the average agency girl, they can cut out a prime candidate from the herd for themselves.

KenC

[Maxx]

"Maxx! What did you do to the poor girl! She can't stop talking about you!"

I found out later from her "freinds" here in America that all the opposite was true. She had her target on a European man back in Russia but the agency owner told her I was her best chance to move West. The rest is history.

Good post Ken

Maxx

 

   

[Rvrwind]

I think you guys are on the mark here,  The worst influence in agencies are the terps too.  They know the drill and are only too willing to educate the newbie girls as to what can be had from the guys.  And since they are exposed to many more men than the average agency girl, they can cut out a prime candidate from the herd for themselves.

KenC

Even I have to agree with this to some extent as I have seen it happen on nemerous occasions. One of the main reasons I hire Terps that are married or have no interest in ever marrying a foreigner. Most of my staff are already married or engaged, its one of the first questions I ask in the interview before I hire them.

As for keeping the clients around to make more money off them in my apartments or whatever, never happen. You are free to come & go as you please. My staff is well aware of how I conduct buisness & what I will & will not tolerate & they make damn sure they are on the same page. If not they will quickly become unemployed!!

RVR - Canadian Cowboy[/font]

[KenC]

Richard,

Married, engaged or very very ugly should be the requirements of an interpreter.

KenC

[Bruno]

Married, engaged or very very ugly should be the requirements of an interpreter.

Not enough... i have already date married woman ( but separated : remember my trip in Ukraine )... about ugly, not everybody have the same taste...

The more simple is hire man interpreter... i don't think that we have so much bisexual men who start these process :D:D

 

 

[ConnerVT]

The more simple is hire man interpreter... i don't think that we have so much bisexual men who start these process :D:D

Then one might worry that he may steal your date.

I offer this solution -- Hire my son.  He's only 7 years old, and he will be the first to tell you he doesn't like girls (except for Mom, of course...  )

[anono]

lol richard!   i should have said "with the exception of an agency like rvr's"....  i would never get the feeling i was being kept around. you are as straight an arrow as you can find not only in this business but in general.

[Maxx]

There wasn't much to do that afternoon so I stopped by an agency for a visit with the staff. I was on a WOVO with another lady. The translator asked me if I wanted to go with her to the auto show down by the statue of Lenin. I said "sure". She said it will be in just a little while. So I waited. I talked to a couple AM from California who were on their way to a social.

So a young woman about 30 came in with a friend the same age. She started filing out the application form to join the agency. As I was talking to the translator and joking around I noticed the other woman looking at me and I noticed she seemed to understand my English. She would smile at some of my comments and so on.

Then translator told me that she could not go to the auto show. At which the young woman spoke up in English "I am going to the show. I have my own car and you could come with me and my friend". Later I find out in conversation that the friend is the agency owner's daughter and this woman was her former college roomate.

Anyway I smelled trouble and passed.

Maxx

[Farrel]

seems almost all the women i have met over the past year from agencies want to go to a sushi restaurant on a first meeting.

I guess I'm an extremely lucky guy then, coz I go out with girls for coffee just about every other night Maybe coz I tell them right away that I'm obsessed with coffee LOL

[Rvrwind]

There should be no reason for any guy to feel he is obligated to take a woman to a fancy resturant at their first meeting.

I am hoping eventually to have a separate room that I can use for a photo room & a meeting room combined where the first meeting can take place right there with no need to go anywhere. A water kettle with tea & instant coffee & a small supply of sweets should be plenty for initial contact.

I see no reason for an expensive dinner for the first meeting.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Bruno]

a small supply of sweets should be plenty for initial contact.

Richard, what do you mean by "small supply of sweets"... do you speak about your girls :D:D

 

[Bruce]

Richard, it may make good sense to give the guys who go through your agency a list of Tver restaurants, price categories and which in the lower price scale are actually eatable.  That way the restaurant would just be a pleasant place for a guy to talk and get to know his girl as opposed to a chance for his date to get a free super expensive meal followed by a night out on the town by Joe Westerner .

Luckily, Tver is less expensive than major cities in the FSU.  So, even the more expensive restaurants are more reasonable.   Still, everything is relative and a girl should take a guy to places she realistically would go to on occassion.   A good girl should not dare to even think of asking a guy to take her to a restaurant she could not afford to go to on her own.   In my book, if a girl asks to go to an expensive restaurant she is history.  If Joe Westerner chooses to take his date to one of the most expensive restaurants in town he does so at his peril.  If he chooses to take his girlfriend to an expensive restaurant that is another story, but as far as I am concerned he is only setting himself up for a disaster down the line.  Best to stick to what you ordinarily can afford and do Joe Westerner.  If you go to expensive restaurants occasionally back home then by all means do so in the FSU. 

If your girlfriend comes to expect things - things you really can not provide or do not like to provide, eventually the roosters will come home.  It is best to train your girlfriend, or she will train you, so :crackthewhip:.

[catzenmouse]

 

Richard, it may make good sense to give the guys who go through your agency a list of Tver restaurants, price categories and which in the lower price scale are actually eatable.  That way the restaurant would just be a pleasant place for a guy to talk and get to know his girl as opposed to a chance for his date to get a free super expensive meal followed by a night out on the town by Joe Westerner .

Good idea. How about adding a list of local attractions for sightseeing, night clubs, sports arenas, activities like bowling, skating, etc.

RVR when we get done with you you'll be giving a good name to the industry!;)

Ken

[Rvrwind]

Richard, what do you mean by "small supply of sweets"... do you speak about your girls :D:D

Yeah...them too!!! LOL

Actually I have a hot water kettle & tea & coffee & usually some cookies & cakes & a few chocolates in the office anyway. It just isn't private enough for twopeople to chat. When people come to my office they are treated like guests.

Marc Dayton even commented that I never got treated that well at his office. My secretary made him coffe & offered cake etc. & he was just astounded.

Richard, it may make good sense to give the guys who go through your agency a list of Tver restaurants, price categories and which in the lower price scale are actually eatable. 

Actually we are working on something along these lines as well as we have convinced a good number of local resturants to have English Menus available. I tell them if they want me to recommend my clients eat there then they should translate a few copies to English & it is working great.

I translated a few myself. We will be putting on our site pics & a list & a copy of the menus for all those who are offering English Menus. Just don't ask me when, got other things going on at present, busy, busy...but as soon as possible we will add them.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Maxx]

Actually we are working on something along these lines as well as we have convinced a good number of local resturants to have English Menus available. I tell them if they want me to recommend my clients eat there then they should translate a few copies to English & it is working great.

I translated a few myself. We will be putting on our site pics & a list & a copy of the menus for all those who are offering English Menus. Just don't ask me when, got other things going on at present, busy, busy...but as soon as possible we will add them.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

You've got good entrepreneural instincts Richard. Those business owners should take note of that and tap you for advice.

Maxx

  

[Leslie]

Maybe they should rename these Agencies? -  Yeah Call Girl Joints!

Robert  if a woman said this to me -

"I met last night had time for sushi, but when i said no, we're going for coffee, she only had 30 min for me" 

I would tell her I had NO time for her.  Then I would tell the agency that I was not paying for this date (after all agencies charge $20+ for organizing a date)  NEXT !

Actually I have taken a woman to an expensive japanese restaurent Kiev. She was in cahoots with my interpreter - Anya.  Cost me $150. Anya is was a puff adder.  Possibly the nastiest woman I have ever met in my entire life!

An old timer (Marc posted as Capt B)  gave the best advice.  Always run short first dates (an hour or two) at a cafe of your choosing.  Dessert, salad, a drink or two - nothing more.    The second meeting is the proper first date

Back when I was dating nearly 75% of the women I met never made it to a second date.

Don't waste your time and money on white trash - but there is no need to be rude.  You just need to learn to say "NYET".  You can't buy your way into a decent woman's pants so don't try! Until you have a sexual relationship no shopping, vacations or expensive dates.  This rule is applied UNIVERSALLY by Ukrainian guys.

If you want to pay for sex then home delivery whore is easier than home delivery pizza in Ukraine.....

Americans in particular have problems with this.  Somehow they think that throwing money at hookers but not discussing prices (Skolka??) means that they are not paying for sex.  Europeans generally don't have this inhibition.

I have been to some WILD parties in the Wallon of Amsterdam :dude:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rvrwind]

Leslie you dog!!!!;)

Amsterdam, I have fond memories of Amsterdam. Yes, Westeners compared to Europeans have some very distinct hangups about sex & hookers. The sexual revolution in the west never came close to catching up to Europe.

After spending several years in Europe I can honestly say I don't have any hangups anymore. I won't say I've seen it all because as soon as I do something will come along & prove me wrong, but I've certainly seen alot!!!

Europe was and is an educational experience!!!

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[anono]

hi leslie..thanks for the post..you know me, i like the facts ;-)

i did not know going in that this lady only had 30 minutes for me. when she suggested the sushi and i said no, she went to the cafe with me and we had tea. it was only after the 30 minutes had expired that i found out she wanted to leave.

because of this meeting, i had a very interesting meeting with two representatives of the local agency where i "found" this lady. one of the reps was one of the featured woman at the site and one i was wanting to meet.

they arrived in a new peugeot. the young one i was interested in was driving. she and her TV reporter friend were both well dressed. they wanted this meeting after i had told them i felt they were a scam agency. i complained i had tried to met the lady (the rep) for the past year but she was never available. first time she was in krym. this time she is running the agency for her sister and she is an hour away from the city and can't come.

after i complained about the lady wanting sushi and this agency rep not being available, all by SMS, she calls me and wants this meeting now.

they come to me and we sit in a cafe for at least an hour and talked about the problems we face meeting these ladies. they listened, they understood my POV. they tried to explain why a lady a man has been writing to (in this case i maybe wrote once) would want to go to something better than a cafe. i told them about agencies writing letters and why we cannot count on that. she told me her story about a man she met who claimed he wrote to her for 6 months and showed her the letters. all fake.

it is a long story but i came away from this meeting with both these women saying how pleasant it was to meet a clever man with a personality. they paid a few more compliments and even picked up the bill. the rep i was interested in wants to remain in contact. the other lady, zina, seemed as if i had asked, she would have met with me again.

i did not pay for the meeting. they also now have a much better understanding of me and if i return to that city, i am sure i will look them up and see who else they have. it is interesting because i have found some agencies seem to have a smaller but better group of ladies..ladies with means. from where, i do not know. but these ladies were not hurting for anything. there is a growing middle class in ukraine. it sure was a nice puegeot.

i also found out the lady left because they said she was confused. she did not understand everything that i was telling her. i am softspoken in my meetings. i wan them to listen to me closely and not be a loud american. she told these girls she liked me and wanted a nother meeting but with a terp so she could better understand what i was telling her.

i can see where they were coming from and if i decide to go hunting again, i'll look all of them up just to see what is going on.

p.s i spent the summer of 1974 living in hillegom, holland. it was a short bus ride from harlem and a short train ride from there to amsterdam. i was 18 and it was 1974. nixon quit that summer. you can imagine what amsterdam was like then.

[Nastya]

I'm a bit confused here. Seems like ya'll having some real bad luck with women you date!!

Had a roommate who always found it difficult to let the guy pay for her. Even if it wasn't a first date but rather a relationship, she was sooooo paranoid he might think her to be a "whore" and "after his money".

I don't know where you find such women (or more likely they find you, knowing you'll pay). But women with a career like myself and my roommate and half a dozen of my female friends and collegues can afford to pay for their drink, dessert, dinner or whatever. Really!!! I can

PS Perhaps, I'm coming from the perspective of a big city dweller.

[Bruno]

I don't know where you find such women (or more likely they find you, knowing you'll pay). But women with a career like myself and my roommate and half a dozen of my female friends and collegues can afford to pay for their drink, dessert, dinner or whatever. Really!!! I can

When a 50 year old man is hunting a young sexy russian babe around 20 year old... the "lady" have not yet start a career  ... so, she need a "sugar daddy" who pay for everything  .

 

[BC]

Welcome Nastya!

Yes you are on to something.. Seems many of the guys and gals hanging around agencies are not really 'pick of the litter' types.

Quite a jungle out there I think.. Thank goodness they are not chasing Italian women, one espresso at Harry's Bar in Venice or Rome is around 65 Euro nowdays not figuring in the tip.