TR: Barnaul/Tver, Russia

[OlgaH]

How "willing" would they be if they knew the whole truth about Jerry's tactics.

Some women know and agree on such dating tactic. About two years ago I red on one forum how women from the same agency were discussing their dates with the same men, and even women form other agency joined them as they knew that men.

Some women probably don't know... especially when after a couple months of writing a man promises to visit her and only her...    

Interesting situation

DAY 6
 Like a broken record Olga gives me the signal and we leave.  We walk Svetlana to her bus stop, upon which she asks if we'd like to do something else.  I don't like turning someone down if they're sincerely interested but at the same time I need to be honest with her.  Just as I begin to speak Masha from the other day walks up to us and asks us what we're doing.  Hell.  I know that these women realize that men go out on other dates, but crap this is still awkward for me.  I don't wanna hurt anyone's feelings!  The three women talk quickly in their native tongue and I have no idea what they're saying, it's just too fast.  Then Masha leaves us without so much as saying goodbye to me.  I watch her go, hoping to heaven above that she isn't offended.  Svetlana just looks at me then says that she will go home now.  Crap.  I feel like a jerk and I quickly scan the situation to see if I have done anything wrong.  I don't think I have, but who knows.  Russian women can be offended easily.  Well some of them at least.  The three of us stand in silence, Svetlana barely looking at me now.  She sees her mini-bus and is off.  

[Gator]

Olga,

So Jerry got busted!   So what happened next?

You have a penchant for this. 

[Daveman]

Diametrically opposed to this is Jerry's (and other's) approach of "dating many".

While I can see your point, I would have to say I disagree here.  Simoni explained it about as well as can be, but I would like to try it a different way.

It's not so much of "dating many" as simply "meeting many".  Dating comes after meeting...  With WMVO we view a thousand profiles, then pick out our favorites, and begin writing.  THe "Meet many" is different in that you are basically "viewing profiles in person". That's all.  She sees you, you see her, and if there is a click, then continuing communication.  I see nothing about promises.  In fact, I would say that if Jerry took them to the mountain hideaway, THAT would be dating and more serious, but he didn't. He merely met them.  He chose to keep in contact with one.

Where did he say anywhere that he made promises to anyone?  He *met* them, face to face, she can see him, he can see her -- viewing a profile in person with both having the opportunity to say "I don't want to continue communications in the future".  For the life of me I can't see what the big deal is here.

[Misha]

It's not so much of "dating many" as simply "meeting many".  Dating comes after meeting...  

This is not a critique of Jerry, but a philosophical, hypothetical question. Does not a man who meets a stream of women become numbed to all women? Is he likely to overlook wonderful women simply because of the method being used? Do you not risk overlooking great women if you convince yourself that the goal is merely to meet as opposed to date? At what point does this stream of meetings become merely an assembly line approach whereby you are always thinking of the next meeting as opposed to focusing on the woman you are with?

I will use my own case as an example. My wife to this day reminds me that she fell in love with me immediately, and I was somewhat indifferent to her when we first met. However, on our first meeting/date, I ended up spending over 6 hours with her. We met at 10:00pm for a coffee at a cafe and she left for home at 4:30am from that cafe. I had expected just a short meeting, yet we talked for six hours straight. At first, I was not smitten, but by the end of the "meeting" I had fallen for her, and we had a date for the very next day. That was it: we have been together since then.

However, what would have happened if I had had another meeting planned for the next day? What if I had stayed just an hour because I had to get up the next morning for another meeting? I may have overlooked a wonderful woman, and I may have been left searching for more meetings instead of being happily married

Misha

[Simoni]

Where did he say anywhere that he made promises to anyone?  He *met* them, face to face, she can see him, he can see her -- viewing a profile in person with both having the opportunity to say "I don't want to continue communications in the future".  For the life of me I can't see what the big deal is here.

Excellent.  You nailed it, Dave.

[Vaughn]

Misha brings a viable point to the table.

In years past, I have to admit, I had difficulty distinguishing
between love and lust. It took some self soul searching to overcome this shortcoming. How many times
do men seek a shower of sparks upon meeting - only to have the electricity turn off in time?

I think for some there's good common sense in patience, investing a little more time than just
a quick cuppa coffee.

[Simoni]

... a philosophical, hypothetical question. Does not a man who meets a stream of women become numbed to all women?

In a word,
No.

[Gator]

What if ....

If it happens, the mouth would grow beans.  Not speaking Russian, I have never understood this saying, nor do my words capture it.

[LEGAL]

Sandro, you nailed him!  But then again, that was obvious given the great shift in style and vocabulary and usage.

Have you read the Don Foster book "Author Unknown."  ?  

It demonstrates how ones language is like a fingerprint.  Nice reading.

Simoni It is quite obvious you are no detective and making statements without facts speaks volumes  about the validity of your post's!     
You are wrong in your accusation of me posing as Olga.
Keep your day job! :hipdude:

[Gator]

Simoni ...You are wrong in your accusation of me posing as Olga.  Keep your day job!

Considering Simoni's day job as a professor of creative writing, it says a lot about Olga's enhanced English writing skills.  Congratulations, Olga.

[Vinnvinny]

The crux of the matter is that there are many ways open to WM to meet FSU women. Some WM will favour one method whilst other WM will disagree and favour other methods. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong and we shouldn’t necessarily be critical just because our views differ. One of the few members here who doesn’t seem to understand this is …… Jerry.

Jack Bragg makes GQ Magazine April 2008...

It also doesn't match today's reality much in that it focuses on men who do the tours.  Such men have a few screws loose in my mind. 

What go around comes around I guess.

[acrzybear]

Hmmm, I see the kids are still name calling and fighting with each other  

I find it interesting (well not really) that we have all of these knights in shiny armor on their white steeds protecting the poor helpless Russian women from the evil Russian/Western male predators.  So I guess all of these poor Russian women are just sitting around their flat waiting for the great western knight to save them, I am sure they don't have a life of their own.

 Perhaps some of the native Russian ladies can answer this question for me; What did you poor helpless ladies ever do before you had the great western male save you from your unfortunate circumstances?

(For the folks that don't know me the aforementioned post is sarcasm)

I think this thread has outlived it usefullness

[groovlstk]

BTW, I was baptized a Catholic - and am sure I'm not at all how a previous poster implied. While the word
was definitely NOT intended as a slur - I think we ALL ought to dispense with the labels. Including myself.
I publicly apologize for having called a member a "racist" in another thread - it will not happen again. 

Looks like Dan got here ahead of me...

Vaughn, my apologies to you or anyone who took this the wrong way. (I said that GOB was very "Catholic" in his opinions). The use of the word was neither pejorative or complimentary, but an analogy to how we (yes, I'm a practicing RC ) often see issues as right or wrong, black or white, with little gray in between.

[OlgaH]

Considering Simoni's day job as a professor of creative writing, it says a lot about Olga's enhanced English writing skills.  Congratulations, Olga.

Thank you for congratulations, Gator.

I understand the professors are human beings, including even a professor of creative writing. But I think it wouldn't be a bad thing for the professor to ask (or even keep his intellectual silence) when he is not sure, instead of taking up somebody's joke, more over interpreting it in his own way and thereby showing his mistaken professional opinion  

[Simoni]

Thank you for congratulations, Gator.

I understand the professors are human beings, including even a professor of creative writing. But I think it wouldn't be a bad thing for the professor to ask (or even keep his intellectual silence) when he is not sure, instead of taking up somebody's joke, more over interpreting it in his own way and thereby showing his mistaken professional opinion  

Olga, I was going to ignore this, but since this is your second post on the subject in the last few hours, I'll put together some linguistic artifacts that should be considered...

[OlgaH]

Perhaps some of the native Russian ladies can answer this question for me; What did you poor helpless ladies ever do before you had the great western male save you from your unfortunate circumstances?

I think this thread has outlived it usefullness

Under my unfortunate circumstances I was responsible for the material wellbeing of one hundred people who worked with me, implementing my business plans and profit-increasing strategies. Plus add business meetings, contracts, public relations, governor receptions, different reports for State Administration  and responsibility for everything that could happen in my institution. I was pretty busy. Did I have so much time even for  dreams about a white knight?

Ballade about Dulcinea
What is more important than love in this World?
If even the Toboso knights today are not like they must be, every woman wants to be Dulcinea del Toboso, even for one hour, for a moment or... even in her dreams  

And she wants to be only Dulcinea...  

[youtube=425,350]BHTW8nw_Cgk[/youtube]

I think this thread has outlived it usefullness

I don't think so  

[SANDRO43]

Misha brings a viable point to the table.

Hypothetical, I'd say (What if? ), and much dependent on the specific individual, I'd wager.

IIRC, one of Taz's friend (Myriddin) did that sort of multiple speed-dating, was a bit undecided about a number of promising alternatives, but eventually chose one. Hasn't told us yet if she was the 'real one', though, if memory serves me right .

The other friend (Swisskid) opted for WMVO, and he hasn't told us the end of the story, either.

[Simoni]

Simoni It is quite obvious you are no detective and making statements without facts speaks volumes about the validity of your post's!     
You are wrong in your accusation of me posing as Olga.
Keep your day job! :hipdude:

LEGAL, stop posing as Olga, your language betrays you .

I was simply echoing what Sandro had noticed concerning the shift in writing proficiency.... but

Ok, I will keep my day job.

But even a novice can see that it "appears" that the authorship of these posts is different.

Let's consider some posts in this thread that are certainly written  by an English as a Foreign Language writer...

I'm sincerely glad you have found what is good for you soul, just don't spoil your diet with sarcastic spices.

and

I know it and I perfectly understand that it was not refereed to me, but to Village Idiots aka Hominy Clowns. You have written it clear.

But try not to overdo (or overdose) it (clowning)  being dieting   ;)

and

satisfying your curiosity: that sentence with plural pronoun was right to the place regarding clowning around my post 

Now let's consider some posts by our mystery poster, someone who writes in a more advanced and fluent style

There are several members on this board whose wives are from Siberia.
If a man set hopes only upon luck, most likely av8or1's advice is good for him.

A little bit of history:

A group of American workers, determined to help the USSR through the introduction of American industrial and management methods, founded Project Kuzbass, a Siberian economic colony (AIK) administrated entirely by Americans. From 1921 to 1926 the group lived in the town of Kemerovo, and by August, 1922 twelve of the American men had married Siberian girls.

Documents and Photographs from the "Kuzbass" Autonomous Industrial Colony
http://frontiers.loc.gov/intldl/mtfhtml/mfdigcol/lists/mtfwkzTitles1.html

and

Criticize? You were very fast to make your critical statements about "mental midgets" regarding some posters in this and others threads with whom you disagree (you just don't have enough courage or straightforwardness to name them  )
 

As you can see, the writing style between the posts in red and posts in blue are different. 

And when you do a linguistic analysis, the data seems to indicate that different people wrote these posts.

It does not say who wrote it.  It's possible someone snuck into the room where Olga has her computer and did this?  Or the password was hacked?

I don't know.

Just observing the variance in posting.  Ones writing is like a fingerprint...

[SANDRO43]

(I said that GOB was very "Catholic" in his opinions). The use of the word was neither pejorative or complimentary, but an analogy to how we (yes, I'm a practicing RC ) often see issues as right or wrong, black or white, with little gray in between.

The non-religious use of catholic (from the Greek καθολικός, "whole", "complete") implies the opposite :

1: often capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the church universal boften capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the ancient undivided Christian church or a church claiming historical continuity from it ccapitalized : roman catholic
2: comprehensive , universal ; especially : broad in sympathies, tastes, or interests <a catholic taste in music>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catholic

1. all-inclusive: including or concerned with all people
2. useful to all: useful or interesting to a wide range of people
3. all-embracing: interested in or sympathetic to a wide range of things

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861595503/catholic.html

[OlgaH]

Simoni,

Professor, you should also consider that I'm just a student and sometimes I do pretty good especially when the sentence constructions are not so difficult and sometimes I don't   Sometimes I check my spelling and correctness of sentence construction and sometimes I don't

BTW
"A group of American workers, determined... " was a quote from a book (I'm glad that I forgot to mention the book's name)   Professor, how you could not notice such evidence, because the writing style of that quote is so far from Legal's writing style   What will your assumption be? Hackers?   If you are interested in their names (the book's authors) just ask  

You also can check these two posts and some others along with Legal's  
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8375.msg157473#msg157473
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=6383.msg157636#msg157636

[Simoni]

Simoni,

Professor, you should also consider that I'm just a student and sometimes I do pretty good especially when the sentence constructions are not so difficult and sometimes I don't   Sometimes I check my spelling and correctness of sentence construction and sometimes I don't.

That certainly makes sense.  Let's move on :-)   

[Daveman]

For some reason, I'm experiencing a feeling of... condejavusion


okay, that was really bad. 

[OlgaH]

That certainly makes sense.  Let's move on :-)   

OK, Professor, if you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact me.  

Sincerely,

(not yours and never will be, you should be glad to this fact unspeakably)
Olga

[acrzybear]

 

Under my unfortunate circumstances I was responsible for the material wellbeing of one hundred people who worked with me, implementing my business plans and profit-increasing strategies. Plus add business meetings, contracts, public relations, governor receptions, different reports for State Administration  and responsibility for everything that could happen in my institution.

Poor Olga, how did you ever survive before you were rescued from your pitiful surroundings?  

That was the whole point of my prior post- I think your avarage Russian lady can handle herself just fine without the great American coming in to rescue her.  Some of the members here seem to be delusional about the poor, weak Russian women needing to be saved.  

[SANDRO43]

It does not say who wrote it.  It's possible someone snuck into the room where Olda has her computer and did this?  Or the password was hacked?

Mike, you're not considering a further possibility: some time ago someone suggested (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7985.0) that Olga and I are actually the same person, offering Sandrolga as a more fitting nick (I countered with Olgandro as more gentlemanly ).