Please tell me this is not normal....

[steve057]

I was talking to a woman from Krasnodar Russia the other night and we were talking about the site which is freepersonal.ru and she went on a rant about how all the women there from the Ukraine are prostuites and just want money and to relocate. It just blew me away to be honest! I can hardly believe that for one thing and another was her attitude towards Ukrainian women! IMHO it is just her spouting off for some reason but thought I'd ask anyway if this was normal?
 Thanks! Steve

[GoodOlBoy]

I was talking to a woman from Krasnodar Russia the other night and we were talking about the site which is freepersonal.ru and she went on a rant about how all the women there from the Ukraine are prostuites and just want money and to relocate. It just blew me away to be honest! I can hardly believe that for one thing and another was her attitude towards Ukrainian women! IMHO it is just her spouting off for some reason but thought I'd ask anyway if this was normal?
 Thanks! Steve

Hello Steve057.

I don't think I can define "normal" for you, but I can say this from my own personal experiences.

Russian, Ukrainian and Belorussian women all have very "nationalistic" opinions about each others countries.

Some of their "attitudes" (Ukrainian/Belorussian and several other FSU countries) are born from the "occupation" of their countries by the former Soviet Union (Russia).

Some attitudes are just born out of ignorance and intolerance for others or maybe just some jealousy issues.  :evil:

JMPO (just my personal opinion)


GOB

[Admin]

I was talking to a woman from Krasnodar Russia the other night and we were talking about the site which is freepersonal.ru and she went on a rant about how all the women there from the Ukraine are prostuites and just want money and to relocate. It just blew me away to be honest! I can hardly believe that for one thing and another was her attitude towards Ukrainian women! IMHO it is just her spouting off for some reason but thought I'd ask anyway if this was normal?
 Thanks! Steve

Oh Boy. What a can of worms.

Oh well . . . here goes . . .

Yes, we have certainly seen our fair share of ladies from Russia who have expressed similar opinions right here at RWD. It is *always* met with a challenge - and the back-and-forth has, at times, been VERY contentious. Still, it is unquestioned that some people in Russia hold an opinion of Ukrainian women that is not positive.

Having said THAT - we also have some Russian ladies who express opinions about women from other FSU countries and they are quite balanced.

Most recently, we had someone join from Belarus who expresses some of the tendency seen in the Baltics which seems largely a resentment of perceived (and probably quite real) past oppressions from the former Soviet rule with Russians largely being in charge.

So . . . . when you ask if it is "normal" - I am not quite sure how to respond. It is certainly "normal" to encounter such thoughts.

I hope this helps.

- Dan

[Simoni]

I was talking to a woman from Krasnodar Russia the other night and we were talking about the site which is freepersonal.ru and she went on a rant about how all the women there from the Ukraine are prostuites and just want money and to relocate. It just blew me away to be honest! I can hardly believe that for one thing and another was her attitude towards Ukrainian women! IMHO it is just her spouting off for some reason but thought I'd ask anyway if this was normal?
 Thanks! Steve

Hi, Steve.

The girl you were talking to is abnormal, and not a good person.  Like Forest in the Forest Gump movie, I'd say to you "run, forest, run!"  Have nothing to do with such a person.

I dated girls in both Russia and Ukraine, and found great girls both places.

Having said that, some Russian girls do look down on other women from their "perceived" superior status!    LOL

The funny thing is that after some of my wife's relatives moved to St Pete Russia, they too started to feel superior!

So it happens.

Notice that I married a Ukrainian girl...

[steve057]

Sorry guys!! Didn't mean to open a can of worms and to be honest I thought of not posting this and asking a certain Russian woman on this site. But since this is a site to learn off of maybe it was best to put it here I have even heard women from northern Russia speak of women from southern Russia. Just thought it was a little odd is all but not to different from here in the states really. I mean I'm sure you have heard jokes about people from some of the southern states here. No offence to all of those here that live there either!!!!
Thanks for your imput!  Steve

[steve057]

Thanks Simon and yes I did notice you married a woman from the Ukraine!:) Nothing wrong with that at all! I guess I just feel people are people, we are all different and that is what makes the spice of life. If we were all the same it would be a very boring life don't you think?
Steve

[Diplomacy]

There is being different, then there is having dangerous views.  One must be able to look at the world, and realize that some things are not correct.  Accepting people and their differences is a very interesting conversation with many in the FSU.

Yes, the world contains many people that prop themselves up at the expense of others.  I am just not interested in marrying such a person.

[Daveman]

Quite normal indeed.  Normal because I've heard it from a number of Russian women, though certainly not the majority.  At that time I cannot say I gave it serious thought but in retrospect, I moved on from each of those ladies because there was something I didn't like about them -- attitude, personality, etc.  And I spoke with many Russian ladies who never exhibited such tendencies.  

There is one who stands out in my memory who complained most vehemently about Ukrainian ladies.  She is also one who wanted me to take her on trips, hinted at gifts, though a man should pay her a monthly salary to be his lady (she called it support, and that if I ever wanted to be with an FSU woman, I should understand that I will need to show that I will take care of her... jealous of the Ukrainian competition for sugar daddy's maybe? )  SO, I emptied my bank accounts and sent the support to her.

Conversely, my Ukrainian lady never has a bad word to say about anyone, and though I cannot read her thoughts, she has not given any indication of having either animosity or disdain for any other group of women.  I doubt it's related to the fact that she's from Ukraine, but rather just her higher character.  Good character trumps nationality every time, IMO.  Whichever country they are from, they either have it or they don't.

[Vinnvinny]

Similarly, I lived in the Czech Republic for a few years and generally there was a strong dislike, bordering on hatred, amongst young and old for ‘anything’ Russian. This seemed to stem from the ‘occupancy’ they suffered in ‘68 and the various mafia related activities that had been imposed upon them.

I guess Russian ladies have a sense of jealously towards their counterparts in Ukraine due to it being a well known fact that the latter are much more pretty. 

[OlgaH]

steve057

IMHO it is absolutely abnormal and nothing to do with "past oppressions", but with a person's elementary  ignorance, national or ethnic intolerance is a typical constituent of ignorance.

Unfortunately some politicians love to use nationalistic ideas as an instrument of influence over people's mentality and usually such instrument is counted upon ignorance, and unfortunately ignorance is predominated over common sense in this World, otherwise Peace and Love would rule over our planet.

I will give you some quotes about antisemitism from Vasily Grossman's novel "Life and Fate". Antisemitism is also national intolerance and better to say a display of radical nationalism, so I just replace "antisemitism" with "radical nationalism" in his quotes:

- Radical nationalism never is a purpose, but always the means, it is a measure of conflicts that don't have any resolution.

- Radical nationalism is a mirror of some people, social and state systems' own shortcomings  

- Radical nationalism is an expression of lack of talent, an inability to win a contest on equal terms...

- Everyday national intolerance, a bloodless national intolerance, is evidence of idiots and failures existing in this World.  

steve057,
My advice would be - leave that woman alone. Sorry.  

[steve057]

OUCH !!!!!! Vinny I think you just opened a big can of worms there!...lol

[GoodOlBoy]

I guess Russian ladies have a sense of jealously towards their counterparts in Ukraine due to it being a well known fact that the latter are much more pretty. 

 


GOB

[steve057]

Goodoleboy, somehow I knew you would respond to that one!!:) Thanks Olga and yes I will not be seeing her! I do not care for that type of person and would not want to marry someone like that. So thanks for the advice all!:)
Steve

[Vinnvinny]

Sorry chaps (and lasses), made a typo. Should have wrote: significantly much more pretty. 

steve057: I wouldn’t discount her simply because of her comments regarding freepersonals.ru. She may be naive, ignorant or just misinformed on that subject and none of us are experts on everything. 

[Faux Pas]

steve,

You can chalk me up as one who points that particular problem to ignorance. This is an ignorance that even some to many educated people have as well. It's not a nationality trait either. In most any country and any gender the ignorance is breed whereas the farther you get away from your own nucleus of  structured environment, the people outside of that ring get progressively worse the further they go.

Not knowing this lady at all and from what you described I would guess she has not traveled outside a 500 mile radius of where she lives now, likely wasn't a good student, doesn't interact well or overly sociable and has some racist tendencies. Someone on the other thread mention us turning into armchair "peeesychologists". Just thought I'd give it the ole college try.

All IMHO of course. Seriously, I'd consider that problem, her problem, more of a personal one and not at all indicative of RW, UW or any other women

[groovlstk]

While I'd agree this woman is over the top poison, I'd also say that most guys will have to get used to a certain level of bigotry, if not in your girl than in her family, if not in her family then in her friends. You can't expect to apply the same Western standards you've had drilled into you over the last decade or so to FSU people.

[Vinnvinny]

And if “all the women there from the Ukraine are prostuites” then I suspect this one might be in need of a 2nd income. What’s a “prostuite” anyway? 

http://www.freepersonals.ru/profile?id=297999;pid=429683;

[Gator]

I dated both UW and RW and could not distinguish a general difference. 

So where does this nonsense come from?   It is widely accepted that almost all of the prostitutes in Moscow are from Russian provinces or Ukraine (and I recall reading such in stories published by the rag Exile).  Nevertheless, for a RW to extrapolate this fact to assert that all UW are prostitutes just proves that this particular RW is mean spirited and bigoted. 

I suggest that you find another woman.  FSUW harbor a lot of misconceptions, yet to say this is a total stretch.  She will have trouble adapting to American ways different from how she was raised.

[Vinnvinny]

I got the impression Gator that this lady was saying that all of the women from Ukraine at freepersonals were prostitutes, not all of the women from Ukraine per se.

[Gator]

I see the difference, yet it changes nothing.  Dump her!

[Misha]

It is widely accepted that almost all of the prostitutes in Moscow are from Russian provinces or Ukraine ... this fact

Being widely accepted does not automatically make something a fact.

[ScottinCrimea]

Does she harbor such ill feeling and misconceived ideas toward the women because they live in Ukraine or because they are ethnically Ukrainian?  For example, my wife has lived in Ukraine all her life but her ethnicity is Russian as her father is from Siberia and her mother is from St Petersburg.

I've never heard my wife ever make bigoted comments of any kind.  She prefers to focus her disapproval on individuals rather than entire nations.  Not that I wouldn't mind having her disapproval of me at times divided among a few other million or so men.  If she did have such tendencies, we would not be together, as I don't have a lot of tolerance for those who make sweeping generalizations and uninformed blanket statements. ( I guess that makes several members here safe from the possibility of any future advances toward them.)

[OlgaH]

So where does this nonsense come from?   It is widely accepted that almost all of the prostitutes in Moscow are from Russian provinces or Ukraine (and I recall reading such in stories published by the rag Exile).  Nevertheless, for a RW to extrapolate this fact to assert that all UW are prostitutes just proves that this particular RW is mean spirited and bigoted. 

2005. About 50% prostitutes in Moscow are women from Russia.

http://www.kp.ru/daily/23608.5/46494/

[Gator]

Being widely accepted does not automatically make something a fact.

Olga, thank you for the statistic.

The situation is grave based on these three reports.

1.  Many Ukrainian and Moldavian women end up as prostitutes in Eastern Europe or pass through Eastern Europe on their way to other countries.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/55866.html

2.  In Moscow, there are reportedly up to 30,000 underage prostitutes from Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova.

http://www.freeserbia.net/Articles/2003/Paedophilia.html

3.  http://whiskerias.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post.html

[Vinnvinny]

While I'd agree this woman is over the top poison, I'd also say that most guys will have to get used to a certain level of bigotry, if not in your girl than in her family, if not in her family then in her friends. You can't expect to apply the same Western standards you've had drilled into you over the last decade or so to FSU people.

Judging from some of the later comments being exchanged on the Barnaul/Tver TR by your fellow countrymen then I don’t think bigotry is exclusive to the FSU and it’s certainly alive and well here in the UK and just about every other country in my experience.