Please tell me this is not normal....

[OlgaH]

Well, FSUW do have a tendency to be just a teensy weensy iddy biddy bit jealous sometimes. 

Daveman, I dont think FSUW are more or less  jealous than women from other countries in this World 

[steve057]

Could it be that FSU women believe in fighting for something they feel is worth while rather than being jealous? The age group I am looking in(mid 40s to early 50s) have not had it easy in their lifetime as the women here in the states have and maybe are used to fighting for what they believe in? Just a thought!

[groovlstk]

Could it be that FSU women believe in fighting for something they feel is worth while rather than being jealous? The age group I am looking in(mid 40s to early 50s) have not had it easy in their lifetime as the women here in the states have and maybe are used to fighting for what they believe in? Just a thought!

Don't put perfume on a pig. If you see truly bad behavior like this, don't try to explain it away by citing cultural differences or putting a pretty spin on it. Call it for what it is, man.

[steve057]

Perfume on a pig! I like that!! I said it was just a thought,maybe not a good one either!!

[GoodOlBoy]

Well, FSUW do have a tendency to be just a teensy weensy iddy biddy bit jealous sometimes. 

 


GOB

[Gator]

Could it be that FSU women believe in fighting for something they feel is worth while rather than being jealous? The age group I am looking in(mid 40s to early 50s) have not had it easy in their lifetime as the women here in the states have and maybe are used to fighting for what they believe in? Just a thought!

I have dated RW in the mid to late 40s, and there are some real gems, yet as you expect, a lot of sourpusses.  This age group has experienced fully the turmoil in the transition to capitalism.  Their life was difficult.  When you meet one who has somehow maintained an optimistic and cheerful personality, you have found a winner!

To paraphrase Groovlstk's wise words, don't accept a sourpuss.  She will suck the energy out of you.  

Keep looking, good RW are there.  I know a couple and would be glad to give you their agency ID (of course, don't mention me).

[kievstar]

My experience with UW is some are jealous and some are not.  Same as AW.  I do think the agencies tend to not have the best UW in them.  Which makes sense as match.com and the other internet sites in the USA do not always have the best AW in them.  So you will find more jealous women.

[steve057]

Thanks Gator! You always have a way with words and no I will not accept a sourpuss! I did meet a woman from southern Russia the other day and she is 47 right in my age range. Not a sourpuss at all, seems very cheerful, has a girlfriend that lives here in the states already and was married two years ago. So she knows a little of the USA already from a Russian point of view which is a big plus. So I will talk with her on Skype this weekend and see where it goes!:) As for the couple you know already I might take you up on that if this does not work out!:) 

[Daveman]

Daveman, I dont think FSUW are more or less  jealous than women from other countries in this World 

That's non-stereotypically true of course (but we love stereotyping!  ).  There are overly jealous women AND men all over the world.  A little jealously - that touch in the right proportion is a healthy thing (from what I've read anyway. I'm not a jealous type at all, so I've learned to pretend a little and it seems to be and has been healthily rewarded). 

However, I will say that those FSUW who do suffer the jealousy bug above the healthy line of demarcation have a unique manner of expressing themselves like no others I've ever witnessed which can lead to some very interesting conversations to say the least.  That uniqueness could be attributed to cultural or linguistic differences, i.e., I'm used to nutbag AW, so the conversations aren't all that weird. 

BUT, as mentioned, there's no sense putting perfume on a pig.  If it oinks in any language, either run away or make bacon! But don't waste your time with it.

[ScottinCrimea]

Daveman, Which of these two did you mean?

[Daveman]

Thanks Gator! You always have a way with words and no I will not accept a sourpuss! I did meet a woman from southern Russia the other day and she is 47 right in my age range. Not a sourpuss at all, seems very cheerful, has a girlfriend that lives here in the states already and was married two years ago. So she knows a little of the USA already from a Russian point of view which is a big plus. So I will talk with her on Skype this weekend and see where it goes!:) As for the couple you know already I might take you up on that if this does not work out!:) 

Hey, don't spend all your time at this point prepping for this one lady (though she could indeed turn out to be one you click with).  The more you speak with, the more you can understand the various personalities, etc.  Be prepared for not only Skype, but to spend some bucks on the phone as well.  I think I learned the most by gabbing on the phone to scores of ladies.  

And a theme repeated here over and over -- Realize too that if you indeed focus on one, and go visit her -- months of communication can vaporize into nothing within 10 seconds of meeting in person.  Skype video and/or at least 25-50 photos (non glamor) can help to be sure you will be physically attracted to each other, but until you are face to face, everything is a world of dreams.  Dreaming is a good thing, but don't let it interfere with good sense.  

AND - even if you click at the meeting, don't jump the gun.  For example, Prior to my current relationship I met three ladies (three different VO trips) and clicked in person because I really did my homework.. the real incompatibilities didn't reveal themselves within the first week or two, but rather over time.  The first couple of weeks will be like la la land if you click... don't confuse this euphoria and infatuation with real love and growth.  Of course be smart, but more importantly, be natural. Let it grow at its normal pace.

So, good luck and enjoy the ride.  

Dave

[Daveman]

Daveman, Which of these two did you mean?

 

Well, while admittedly I much prefer the latter, eventually, the situation will morph to the former.  heh...

[steve057]

Thanks Daveman! I have spoken with quite a few FSU women on the phone and I don't mind spending the money for talking and getting to know a woman better. She lives in the  Volgograd area and I have no problem visiting her. You're right! 10 seconds of meeting can kill months of talking. She does have Skype video so we will try that as well. I would like to come home from a trip and be able to think about what happened on the visit and take my time! 

[I/O]

Steve057: The original question. Normal? Not untypical I would say. The best description I've read is the "Crabs in a bucket" line. Put a load of crabs in a bucket, if one tries to climb out, the others will latch on and try to go with it or for the most part, drag it back down.

Russian woman (At least those I've known) are fierce competitors and if they see anything threatening them or what they consider theirs, they will act. Often not with the "niceties" one might consider appropriate to such a pretty face. Rooskis bashing Ukis? Yeah it is pretty common until they are in a third country together and then they drop it fairly quickly in favour of "we are all one family" ....................................until  the next potential for competition appears.

I tend to think the woman in question was defending a perceived threat. Nevertheless, the OTT reaction suggests to me she is better to remain where she is.

I/O

[BC]

You're right! 10 seconds of meeting can kill months of talking. She does have Skype video so we will try that as well.

Thank goodness virtual technology cannot yet recreate a 'real' meeting, or can it?

Makes me wonder though.. there is some virtual life game out there I've heard about several times.. darned if I can remember the name tho' .. anyone know if there are WM/FSUW roles programmed?  Might be the perfect solution for keyboard Romeo's and the Sp(c)ammers alike.

In the next century, our bodies will just be 'housed' anyway with practically all human interaction digitally transmitted and received.. body suits that will even allow someone across the planet to tickle you..  'I want to have your baby' only requiring a call to DHL, or maybe just by sending your DNA sequence via email.

I started actively using the internet very early on and to be quite honest, one of the first terms I typed into a very rudimentary search engine called Yahoo that only had a very few categories and maybe a hundred thousand or so indexed sites was 'sex'.  I wasn't alone.

This is what it looked like: http://web.archive.org/web/19961017235908/http://www2.yahoo.com/

.. and today it's like a dinosaur compared to google.

Today, living thousands of miles away from my parents, we chat almost daily and maintain a great relationship. Folks I work with thousands of miles east and north are only a chat or email away.. easier than walking down the hall or going up a floor or two.  Heck, I've even chatted with my own son or wife sitting a few yards away in our own house!

In fact, yesterday I chatted with my son while he was driving home in another in another country via his mobile phone / laptop combo (someone else was driving). Soon will be able to do so when he is on an airplane.

I can also honestly describe relationships with my konnekted kin overall very much improved over the last years.

Some mention that communications are key to relationships, so lets boldly step forward and maybe start accepting the idea that the technology that allows such communication allows not only for increased, but better communications.. and at the level of personal satisfaction, virtual might even be better for the parties involved!

Forget visas, meetings, immigration, agencies, customs, and all that other crap.. communicate with whomever, however and whatever you can!  Even virtual sex is already a multi billion dollar industry - disease and victim free.. and it won't cost you a dime via skype AOL or other 'vine'.

Considering the very low 'betting odds', scams, paranoia etc associated with this (physical) venture maybe the keyboard Romeo's will really win out in the end..

MOB no more.... E-MOB is on the way!!!!
 

[BC]

Russian woman (At least those I've known) are fierce competitors and if they see anything threatening them or what they consider theirs, they will act.

There is a difference between competition and standing ground.

At an unavoidable family get together (daughters wedding), Ex said a few words which immediately resulted in the flat statement "He's mine now and I really don't give a sh!t about what you have to say" (period).  I did not detect the slightest hint of competition.. rather a firm line drawn in the sand. 

Nothing wrong with that I say..

[Wienerin]

I'm really very uncomfortable whith topics like this one. How can it be "normal" to say that all UW, RW, etc. are this, that or the other, let alone hookers? Even "UW are more beautiful than..." is not "normal".

I don't know how I could deal on an everyday basis with someone who spouts such generalized notions as a matter of fact. It's not very far from "all Jews...", "all black people", "all Mexicans...", all everything and everyone. Stupid and narrowminded. Such a person simply isn't interesting - even if one does nothing to further one's xenophobia (for that's what it is). Given some incentive and opportunity - he or she will.

[Makkin]

  Weinman,

   It's still freedom of speech in most places.......Do you think I should call the dream police for such perceived reactions.....I will give the dream police your RWD contact info as to help calm you somewhat.

Makkin

[Snowwww1980]

I view this from a different perspective. "Women just do not like or trust other Women"

 
I think you are right. Just see how the two women in this discussion responded to one another.

It is a competion thing, first your friend was probably upset you were talking with her and still surfing the "dating sites". regardless of what country thy are from, but of course if they are from a different country "How heck they are so much more vocal"

I think you are more likely to meet jealousy in this search because the women know or suspect they are not the only girl you are courting. And when you meet them, they know you came so far not just to see her.  They can even read here that you advise each other of this, "visit as many as you can." 

For me, I narrowed it to one through correspondence, and went to visit only her.  If a relationship is going to blossom, I want to give it the best chance and not be distracted by thoughts of, tomorrow Im seeing another woman, is this one better than yesterdays.  I am not just choosing her, she is also choosing me, and i want her to see that i will give her my full attention.  So for me, one per trip, and if it doesnt work out, try again.  I prefer to invest more time in the preparation, and waste less on fishing trips.

Just my 2 cents.

[Vaughn]

For me, I narrowed it to one through correspondence, and went to visit only her.  If a relationship is going to blossom, I want to give it the best chance and not be distracted by thoughts of, tomorrow Im seeing another woman, is this one better than yesterdays.  I am not just choosing her, she is also choosing me, and i want her to see that i will give her my full attention.  So for me, one per trip, and if it doesnt work out, try again.  I prefer to invest more time in the preparation, and waste less on fishing trips.

Funny you should mention that.

People who know me well know how I went salmon fishing near the Canadian border in late 2000, then
decided to give Europe a try in 2001. In searching for Russian expeditions, I ran into my wife's profile. As
it turned out, I had to wait until Trip Four to flyfish with my Russian nephew.

I feel much like Snowwww1980. Others' juggling acts entertain me, but I could never be comfy with it after
years of the same Stateside. My backup plan included a trek northward where the big ones were.   

[ScottinCrimea]

I have to laugh because I see how men complain about the way women shop.  They have to check out every dress in the mall just in case they might find something a little better or for a lesser price and then they ultimately go back and buy the first dress that they looked at.  I on the other hand, know what I want and have done my research before I ever set foot in a store.  I can go directly to where it is and purchase it with a minimum of time and effort, and no regrets that there might be another just a little bit better that I may have missed.

I know there have been times when, by the time my wife returned to purchase the first dress, it had been taken by someone else.  The elusive thought of "something better out there" had cost her what she really wanted.

The idea of going on a comparison shopping trip to the FSU just seems strange to me.  If you don't know what you want or can't see it when you find it, you have no business going.

Now if anyone here wants to flame me about comparing the search for an FSUW to a shopping trip, get over it, it's just an analogy!

[Vaughn]

If you don't know what you want or can't see it when you find it, you have no business going.

A friend made a third or fourth journey searching, and refined his list to six ladies. When No.1 heard
about his plan, she cancelled their meeting. After he flounders around for a week, eliminating the
other five, he calls No.1 almost apologetically and requests a dinner date. She accepts.
When he arrives at her door, she asks, "Are you done shopping?"

They are married six years and have a beautiful daughter together.

[Daveman]

Thanks Daveman! I have spoken with quite a few FSU women on the phone ...

No problem steve, just be careful.  You might be branded a phone sex tourist. 

I actually did have phone sex once.. but I sure got some strange looks in the ER having it removed (rim shot).


BC: Now that E-MOB would have saved some of us a small fortune in travel expenses.  I'd probably never leave the house, much less travel.

Snowwy, SiC and Vawn,  yeah, I'm with you... but some of us didn't get so lucky at the first shop!  Really, a man or woman can put up a pretty good front for a month or two of email/phone chats, and very easily for a week or two visit.  Sometimes the real personality traits don't show up until after they think they've "caught" you. 

If I have to do this again I think I'll just be a butterfly net vid cam dweeb...  at least I know who I'll chase after.. heh

Makkin: relax man, you're usually so mellow.  Just send the dream police my way. They'll be entangled for a millennium trying to escape the maze. 

[OlgaH]

No problem steve, just be careful. 

and don't confuse their names 

[Makkin]

Daveman,

  Okay I'll send the dream police to your profile then..lol


  Yea I guess I just hate to read about political mind-bending assunptions and the political type of thought patrols we occasionally read.

   I'm still mellow as you guessed correctly but still a tad/cad sarcastic when it comes to the obvious.

My apologies to you,

Makkin