St.Pete's Trip Report Jan 2009

[ambach123]

The OP does not want advise, but the same crowd that are in his ignore list is bent upon telling him a thing or two, over and over again; does not matter that he does not see them.

Anyone who thinks that he can go to St. Pete and get a wife does not have a clue about the MOB scene at this time. It is not the same today as it was two years ago or five years ago.

The girls in St. Pete are NOT moving, they like their city, their culture and their country. I have not heard of even one American going there and successfully bringing back a wife. This was told to me by an agency owner whose sole purpose is to take your money. He tells Americans that up front.

Regretfully OP did not know that and relied on Mambo Mamba to find women.

What has being artistic or not being artistic got to do with any of this?

Age is irrelevant, if he has money he will find what he wants, but not in St. Pete. If he does not have money, he would not get too far any way, does not matter where he tries.

He has made the right decision, to look in his own backyard.

At some point in time if he tries again, he would choose different grounds and different methods.

[Gator]

Age is irrelevant, if he has money he will find what he wants, but not in St. Pete.

Do we have a contest for the dumbest opinions? 

[Simoni]

40 year old Man and a 20 year old Schoolgirl?

I don't think so.

You might want to check our latest RWD Polls for the "facts".

GOB

Actually, you are the one that needs to check the facts.  They are recorded in this thread.   The girl he met "Y" was 25, likely 26 this trip.
Can't imagine why you keep saying these girls were "child porn" and "school girls."  That is simply inaccurate.

And greater than 12 years age difference is very common in AM/FSU marriages.

[Misha]

Regretfully OP did not know that and relied on Mambo Mamba to find women.

Age is irrelevant, if he has money he will find what he wants, but not in St. Pete. If he does not have money, he would not get too far any way, does not matter where he tries.

Okay, I didn't really have money and was using the mamba network and found a wonderful wife and have been happily married for 2+ years.

Ambach keeps telling us he has money, does not use mamba, yet is still looking.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions 

[GoodOlBoy]

Day 8
Spoke with “K” and she suggested I join her and some friends to celebrate the end of their exams.  It seemed a little strange to me, and I was curious as to what they would make of me. ............But to my chagrin, about half an hour later, she told me she was tired from studying/exams and was heading home........Having said that, although I think that she is indeed serious about seeking a WM, I think she is simply too young for me.

Day 9
At 6pm I got a call from her apologising and telling me she had been up until 7am at a party with friends, and had slept all day and was hung over and would not be able to see me. 

Can't imagine why you keep saying these girls were "child porn" and "school girls."  That is simply inaccurate.

Simoni, checked and verified. 

This particular girl was somewhere between 18 and 23 years old, according to my wife.

I guess in my mind what this whole thing boils down to is this:

When a member comes back to RWD and writes a trip report, wringing his hands and whining about not getting to "First Base" with a "Hung Over" schoolgirl.

Should everybody feel sympathy and pity for the "poor guy"?

Or should he receive another type of treatment?

Better put. The primary purpose of RWD is to help Newbies and each other, correct?

What Newbie in his right mind would think of coming back to RWD after reading about a 40 something year old man whining about his exploits with schoolgirls and complaining about not getting to "first base" with them.


GOB

[Simoni]

GOB:

Your attack posts make it seem that the girls her met were 20 or "child porn."

40 year old Man and a 20 year old Schoolgirl?

Read the TR again; he met varied ages under 30.

The problem I have with your holier than thou behavior is that it threatens Trip Reports, which are one of the best parts of RWD.
Your comments ridicule and condemn, rather than take a positive advice approach as mendeleyev did in the post above.  With such treatment as you give, members will cease to do Trip Reports.

[mark2353]

As we all know money is great but... During this last christmas I had my lovely RW visit me and we talked about some of the WM response she got from our mutual dating service. I have to tell you that I was rather shocked! One in particular was: "I have this and that... what do you have to offer". As you can guess that did not get past the front door. Especially with this particular lady is very well educated and perhaps the individual writing does not want to recognize this or his goals are different??
Where I am going with this is supporting Tamarra statement that you must make your goals clear are you going to meet her or interview 15 in a day?. Sound to me that you did not clear this prior to going.  
When I went to meet the RW that I mentioned above she was at the airport with our schedule for the week.  
Sometimes reading between the lines may not be enough since you are talking to someone who english is a 2nd language (I know from personal experience).  I find that being bold (not rude!) is good thing when speaking to someone who has limited english skills.
keep trying, but there is large number of RW in the US so best of luck on all...

[ambach123]

The only conclusion one can draw here is that the OP detests some of these posters with supposedly infinite wisdom. He has put them on his ignore list. He does NOT want their opinions, he has said that in plain English language.

In so many words he has repeatedly stated that they should mind their own business. But alas, they have no other business to mind, but to keep posting here on every single thread.

It is a handful of posters with no money and no jobs and holier than thou attitudes who keep posting same thing on every thread with their distorted views that belong in another time, over and over, again and again.

You wonder if the OP does not want their opinions, why they keep posting? Who are they posting for? The answer is simple, for themselves.
The world has changed, the MOB scene has changed, move on, worry about your own home life instead of that of OP.

The downside is that it stops other people from posting here; you don't see many new posters here for any length of time.

OP has done what is right for him and I applaud him.

It is simply stupidity to think that somehow some kind of age difference is unsurmountable for the OP. He has explained himself well to no avail.

[Vaughn]

Lastly, about that engagement.  I think that situation could have easily been a 'jealousy ploy'.  Use the WM (who won't be staying there anyway long term) to make the BF jealous and get a rise outta him, force his hand, whatever.

Buried deep inside my suggestion for daveyj to wait a month and call "Y" to wish her well was the very real
possibility that the engagement might suddenly be a dead dog. The threatening WM is gone now, and the
RM who felt forced into an engagement to protect his interest could possibly withdraw; after all, he's in St.
Petersburg, a city loaded with many young and beautiful options, all in high heels. It's supposition in its most
speculative form, but the call will either close the door or reveal it to be wide open yet again...  I get the
distinct impression that daveyj regretted "Y"s unavailablity most of all - and has not forgotten her completely.
They were two with simpatico and energy together, although suppressed by circumstance.

I'm glad daveyj followed up - much is explained about his plan. St Pete was (and is) an excellent choice of
venue for him. While I do agree with others that many cities offer an enriched arts community, I have to
respect his decision to focus at home. In reality, it's an intelligent backup plan of the highest order.


ambach, we have a St Pete wife here at RWD, and I know many here in our city of Charlotte, all married to
WM. Based on local numbers, I would estimate there are thousands of them nationwide.

GOB, you cage rattler, you've done it again....but I have to take issue with your statement that the OP was

whining about not getting to "First Base" with a "Hung Over" schoolgirl

You're really over the
top with automatic defaults to 20, but to submit daveyj "whines" in such fashion is mean-spirited fabrication.
I'm not trying to fan the flames, but to appeal to your compassionate side, which I know hides under all the
toughness and conviction. Haven't we all made missteps along the way? And tended to discount them?

This guy, daveyj, put his soul on the RWD table. It's been an enlightening thread for many.

Vaughn


 

[Simoni]

Nice post, Vaughn.

Insightful with lots of wisdom.

[Vaughn]

It is a handful of posters with no money and no jobs and holier than thou attitudes who keep posting same thing on every thread with their distorted views that belong in another time, over and over, again and again.

ambach, you come up with some real gems, but this one is just weird....  how do you come up with this stuff?

[groovlstk]

If Daveyj is throwing in the towel I can at least admire his self-honesty. This stuff isn't for everyone, it takes enormous resolve and persistence to pick yourself up and keep plugging away, particularly after a blown trip or two. I'm reminded of the guy who flew to Ukraine to meet a woman a few months ago only to find out she was a control freak nutcase who wanted to lock him in his apartment every night. At the end of his TR he stated this whole thing wasn't for him and walked away, never to be heard from again. I have to respect that - plenty of others in that situation would propose to the first impoverished dyev who wanted a ticket out of Ukraine or Russia, which is a helluva lot more foolish.

[ambach123]

Vaughn that is the problem, everyone looks at this pursuit with his own prism of experience. If the experience is over a couple of years old, it is not valid now. There may be a lot of girls from St. Pete here, but not any more.

The owner of a well known agency in St. Pete told me two weeks agao that there were only a few Amercians that came to him the whole last year, and none was successful, and he makes his money by arranging meetings, he wanted to warn me, and advised against coming there. According to him, the Europeans seem to fare better.

The pursuit has changed completely, the women have changed, the under 30 or under 25 girls have nothing in common with their older sisters. ( The younger girls, products of free market system are exceedingly materialistic)

The opinions of some people who found their RW some years ago are only as valid as yesterday's newspaper. Times have changed, they have not.

[SANDRO43]

According to him, the Europeans seem to fare better.

Did he also offer an explanation? Because we're more handsome ? Because € now beats $ 1.3-1 ? Or only because we're closer ?

Enquiring EU minds want to know .

[Simoni]

Did he also offer an explanation? Because we're more handsome ? Because € now beats $ 1.3-1 ? Or only because we're closer ?

Enquiring EU minds want to know .

What?  Short little Italian guys?  Without Hollywood good looks?  It's cuz you are closer, Sandro.

But then again, an ocean away from MIL can be really nice  LOL
Us American guys have it made once we close the sell...

[SANDRO43]

What? Short little Italian guys?

Ha, just because we have a dwarf (and balding) Prime Minister you assume we are all short?

According to this table:

Italia centro-settentrionale   176.0 cm (5' 9.5")   
Italia meridionale                  174.2 cm (5' 8.6")   
USA                                       175.8 cm (5' 9.2")   
(http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statura)

we Central-Northern Italians even beat you by a whole 2 millimeters , you're just 1.6 cm taller than our Neapolitans, who are short out of necessity (smaller target, should their Mt. Vesuvius erupt again, and they have to hunch over their mandolins, too ).

[Simoni]

I'm golng now to edit that wiki!     LOL

Italia centro-settentrionale      166.6 cm (5' 4.")     
USA                                    188.8 cm (6' 2.")   

[Vaughn]

If the experience is over a couple of years old, it is not valid now....

The pursuit has changed completely, the women have changed, the under 30 or under 25 girls have nothing in common with their older sisters....

The opinions of some people who found their RW some years ago are only as valid as yesterday's newspaper.

ambach, when I was 18 and knew everything, my Dad offered some insight into women. Naturally, I had my
doubts that the old guy was in tune with the times. Turns out, everything he held dear holds true, even today.
We tend to think that today's news brings social change - when in fact, with high tech, politics and economics
stripped away from the portrait, not much has changed at all - in many centuries. Under 25 girls have almost
*never* been like their older sisters, and women basically have not changed at all. What has changed is mere
climate - but the underpinnings of finding and capturing the heart of a woman are time-honored constants.

A few specific constants: getting on the plane, offering heaping helpings of respect, conducting oneself in
gentleman-like fashion, acting rationally and decisively, and employing honesty full-time. I challenge anyone
to list even one non-constant that overshadows any of the above in terms of importance.

One can choose to disregard the opinions of those who've gone on before us - or one might heed and learn. We
OMBs receive no commissions here, and for sure there's no retirement plan available that I'm aware of. While a
few of us are stuck on our successful method of meeting, the knowledgeable ones among us fully recognize that
many avenues have led us to the same destination.

Vaughn

[Wienerin]

I wonder, where did all the RW I meet on a number of forum, who say they are from StPetersburg (and that other insignificant village called Moscow) REALLY come from? Lying?  

And I won't even star arqueing with Misha - of course, he has been to St.Petersburg so many time. Surely he must be right in saying that St.Petersburg doesn't differ from Melitopol or Izhevsk. Neigher life, nor approach, goals, etc. differ... OK, so be it.

As to the TR - I do not know that much about the MOB scene either in St.Petersburg or any other place, but what I DO know is that my compatriot ladies for the most part are not comfortable even in Miami or Minneapolis, Louiseville or Kansas City (to name but a few).

As for us - my Boatswain and I - we choose Chicago, and never were sorry for our decision. We needed (not necessarily in this order) - large body of water and sailing, greenery and parks, lively and diverse cultural life - museums, concerts, theater, galleries, exhibitions, cafes and restaurants of every character from small cosy places to the side from the beaten track - to gala palaces with sparkle and music. We wanted to take walks - on the sidewalks, mind according to our mood either gazing at the lovely older grey- and brownstones, or to Bungalow Belt, or in the park on the lake, or at the many Navy Pier attractions... to stroll at night through Lincoln Park, Old Town or Streeterville and Gold Coast streets with their lovely stores, galleries, eaterties and exotic groceries, or to go to the hustle and bustle of the Magnificent Mile or State Street...

I could write miles about Chicago attractions, - this is MY city! And when we are in the mood - we go for a day or two to quiant old small towns like Geneva, Galena, St. Charles, Long Grove, etc. - dozens of those within 1-3 hrs drive

Which is, however, definitely not the same as living in one of these - and going once in a month or two or three - for some "culture" in Chicago

The only remaining questions for the author - how did he ascertain that his chosen ladies feel for and share his views? And yes, if he were disappointed in his plans for a certain day, why for G-d's sweet sake didn't he venture forth to those places in downtown Petersburg, where these artistic crowds gather? And why didn't he contact at least any of the agencies and explained his predicament? I'm sure they would have accomodated the lost WM - at the very least giving him some directions.

The decision to drop all search of StPetersburg bride seems a tad hasty too.

And did somebody say that the prospective groom lives in Toronto? If this is true... and I can't vouch for ALL artistically bent SPb ladies, but no, not Toronto, please   quite a different kettle of fish, and not at all to my taste, sorry.

[Vaughn]

Aw c'mon Wienerin, tell them the truth:  you're a White Sox fan, right?

[Misha]

And I won't even star arqueing with Misha - of course, he has been to St.Petersburg so many time. Surely he must be right in saying that St.Petersburg doesn't differ from Melitopol or Izhevsk. Neigher life, nor approach, goals, etc. differ... OK, so be it.

Feel free to argue. If you can show me why a woman from Russia who lives in a city such as Izhevsk or any other could not adapt to life in a big city if that is what she desires, I would love to hear it. Are the women in St. Petersburg born with a big city gene making them somehow genetically predisposed to life in a big city? Please show me how a woman from St. Petersburg will live her life so much differently than the woman from Perm or Novosibirsk or even Vorkuta for that matter   Yes, the museums are a bit bigger and there are more stores and theaters, but are you going to tell me that every woman in St. Petersburg goes to the Hermitage weekly and will go to each and every play that plays in St. Petersburg? Is there a secret big city handshake that I am not aware of  

[SANDRO43]

Aw c'mon Wienerin, tell them the truth:  you're a White Sox fan, right?

Red Sox are better .

[mendeleyev]

Chicago is one of my wife's favourite USA cities because it looks and feels a lot like a large European city.  Traveling along Lake Shore Drive with all those tall apartment buildings makes her feel more at home.  And it's a great city for art which appeals to her instincts (and our checkbook) as the market for art is good there.

Nonetheless, we don't live there and we've adapted well to life back and froth between Phoenix and Moscow, which I suspect is part of Misha's point.  Adaptabiltiy is something at which the Russian people have been forced to become experts over their history.

[Misha]

Nonetheless, we don't live there and we've adapted well to life back and froth between Phoenix and Moscow, which I suspect is part of Misha's point.  Adaptabiltiy is something at which the Russian people have been forced to become experts over their history.

All people can adapt, if that is their desire. We are all born with the innate ability to learn and anybody can adapt to any setting if they so desire. If a woman from a village wishes to go live in the city, she will be able to adapt, she will be able to learn, and she will eventually thrive. Yes, at first, it may be difficult, but give her a year or two or three and you won't know the difference between her and the woman who was born in that city. To believe otherwise is to believe that some humans are somehow born genetically superior.

[Simoni]

I think we are drifting from the point a bit.  The original poster was seeking a girl who loved city life and the arts that are a part of it.  Sure, a girl from the country can come to love the city, and many that move to St. Petersburg have indeed come from remote areas.  But it does make sense to meet girls who has already been attracted to this environment and live there now.