Realities of FSUW

[remiel6]

Hmm I got the animation but missed the rest of the post? not sure what happened there. So I guess I will rewrite it and hope for the best this time. As I said on another page somewhere, be leery of "ALL WM are this or ALL FSUW are that". That would be like saying that because I grew up in Minnesota I play hockey and Ice fish. Well I can't even ice skate much less play hockey and if you paid me good money I might think about spending twelve hours on a frozen lake freezing my nether regions and drinking beer. Then I would suggest we go the bar and order fish sandwiches and drink there, same result and I am warm. I dont' think thirty percent of the men I know ice fish and that would be an optomistic number at best. The point is a reputation can be truthful or not when its about a person, ie mike fishes on frozen lakes, but seldom about whole cultures of people.
Second, "love does not come bearing requests for expensive gifts" if it does run away, thats not love. If you have money, unlike me, then I dare say I reccommend you learn to spot these women even better because you won't have it long living with a woman like that. To the women who don't read this post anyway. I AM NOT A CAR, A COMPUTER, A HOME, A RUG, A VACUUM CLEANER, these things get upgraded as they wear out. If this is what you think love and life is I hope yours is as miserable as you deserve it to be. I have no problem loving, providing supporting a spouse. I have a problem with people who expect me to buy them everything while they sit on the couch and chat with thier friend and i work 100 hours a week. This is a divorce waiting to happen, not to mention an affair. I met a girl who once told me that she wanted a husband to provide all the things she did not have growing up. Yet, when I asked, her parents bought all her expensive clothes, and paid for her expensive education. She told me I was expected to spend $500 a day on buying her gifts. I never spoke to her again. I will not call such people friends, they don't deserve my company, much less the ability to call me friend. If a person wants status, then go make it yourself, do not expect me to provide for you what you are unwilling to provide for yourself.
theres my two cents and I'm sorry in advance for the people I upset in posting it.

[GoodOlBoy]

In the list of what attracts women, I would say at the top is "charm."  It certainly will open the doors (and remove many a knicker).

You ain't just a-woofin Gator. 


GOB

[Misha]

She told me I was expected to spend $500 a day on buying her gifts.

This works out to $182,000 a year just on gifts  Some people definitely need a reality check  :evil:

[remiel6]

That's what I said 

[Shadow]

This works out to $182,000 a year just on gifts  Some people definitely need a reality check  :evil:

Tell her your salary in Zimbabwian currency. Guaranteed to impress. 

[Sculpto]

This works out to $182,000 a year just on gifts  Some people definitely need a reality check  :evil:

For the millionaires/billionaires that is pocket change.. the problem seems to me that way too many of the "super models" aren't really that beautiful or that cultured and think they are entitled to marriage with the super rich, even though they simply do not have the qualifications for such a marriage.

[Gator]

She told me I was expected to spend $500 a day on buying her gifts. I never spoke to her again.

Perhaps she was negotiating, and had to start somewhere. 

Or maybe she knew she could make this much hooking which is how she categorized relationships with men.   

Stupid, sad woman!  Yes, best to avoid them.  Hope you did not have to spend much time and money on her before she revealed her darkside.

[goforit]

Tell her your salary in Zimbabwian currency. Guaranteed to impress. 

No you didn't just say that? Yes you did!  

[Bruce]

We go around and around and around on this one...................


Remember,

1.   She definitely be way, way in love with you over there - and she best not demand a thing or immediate dump.   If you choose to get her small presents, fine, but she better demand zero except for you.

2.   When you come here it is a new ball game.   

3.    You will find out if all you really have is a green card girl or not.

4.   Over time you will find out if you have a BBD (Bigger better deal) girl.

5.   Holding a RW and keeping a RW married to you is difficult over time.   It is not for the faint of heart.   I urge most of you to think, think and think before you make the plunge.

P.S.   We will  celebrate our fifth wedding aniversary later this year, and that is not saying much.             
 

[GoodOlBoy]

5.  Holding a RW and keeping a RW married to you is difficult over time.   It is not for the faint of heart.   I urge most of you to think, think and think before you make the plunge.

Sorry Bruce, but I disagree.

From the "crash and burn" experiences here within the Russian Community in Sunny Isles Beach, FL....I can state with a 100% certainty that you cannot "hold" a Russian woman in a relationship or anything else for that matter.

These women (RW) are way to strong mentally to succumb to any AM.


But on the other hand if she really loves, respects and cares about you...well IMHO, you can't find a better partner and she will be there for life.

This is just my opinion, BUT....You have to be REALLY confident (and project confidence, NOT ARROGANCE) to have a successful marriage with a RW.

Just my two cents. 


GOB

[Caddydaddy]

You have to be REALLY confident

GOB, please define "confident" in this regard, I am not so clever...

[WmGO]

This thread was started in order to recognize and set forth some FSUW realities - for the benefit of the thousands of WM who read or will eventually read this thread and forum. It seems that, for the most part, the responses are the the typical skirting of realities, egotistical chest beating, rationalizations and denials of reality. Even in the face of what FSUW themselves say. Too bad.

Long ago at the original St. Johns RWL and the old PL at least there was an overwhelming consensus about these realities.

Maybe someone should invite the old LP back for a reality check. 

[Globetrotter]

Gee, thought I did that earlier.

[WmGO]

Gee, thought I did that earlier.

Well then don't worry about it. 

Here is what I meant and what I expected the thread to entail:

Consensus #1 about FSUW:  look at Zhena's
post that stands for the proposition that all (I disagree with all,but clearly
it is the cultural norm and hence the vast majority) of FSUW are 
shallow and solely self seeking and hence status based on class/material station
is of prime number one importance to them when it comes to WM. We could
then fill in the ramifications of this as it relates to WM such as love, commitment
and divorce.

Then go to Consensus #2, #3, etc -

We could add some other areas that WM should be aware of that negates
the propaganda that FSUW are "the world's greatest women".

How about:

Consensus #2: because of  historical/cultural realities most FSUW consider lying and deceit to be normal and acceptable in order to advance their own interests or agenda...

Or:most FSUW are either atheist or agnostic, consider adultry normal or acceptable, consider abortion normal birth control, etc. etc.....and so on and so forth. In other words, a listing of REALITIES that will assist the WM to know and understand what he is getting into and what he must understand and be aware of and therefore be equipped to delve into shark infested waters of a backwards, superstitious and corrupt culture.........yes, there are diamonds in the rough, needles in the haystack.......but first and foremeost an internet forum such as this one should exist not to whitewash realities but to expose and discuss them so that the WM is made more knowledgeable and is better equipped ...etc.

The old St. Johns RWL had a gem section that basically laid it all out - including
with historical and cultural analysis....to bad that cannot be dug up and pasted here.....


 

[Bruce]

GoodOlBoy - ah, semantics.   I agree with your clarification.   

WmGo - right on, thats why guys have to choose carefully if they want to play in the land of the FSU  .

[Misha]

We could add some other areas that WM should be aware of that negates the propaganda that FSUW are "the world's greatest women".

As a strategy, best to assume the worst until proven otherwise IMHO. Same goes for both men and women. Naivete doesn't help anybody.

[GoodOlBoy]

GOB, please define "confident" in this regard, I am not so clever...

Hello Caddydaddy.

This is just my opinion and opinions are like assh*les (everybody has one).

That being said, a confident man will go a long way with almost any RW. They hate "weakness". They want someone to take the lead, to be "the man". They don't understand "hand wringers" and "whiners". It is just not acceptable behavior to them.

BUT, you must balance this carefully and NOT become arrogant in your thinking. You cannot be a "dictator". You must be willing to discuss "give and take a little" but be firm and confident in your decision making. She will respect this behavior.

And for God sakes, if there is some crisis afoot, DON'T start sniveling, crying and wringing your hands....NO MATTER WHAT.....keep your composure around a RW at all times. 


GOB

[Sculpto]

And for God sakes, if there is some crisis afoot, DON'T start sniveling, crying and wringing your hands....NO MATTER WHAT.....keep your composure around a RW at all times. 

Sometimes when I hear this kind of comment I am bothered by it.  Basically what you are saying is do not show emotions.. at all.  On the one hand I know you are right GOB..

BTW.. did anyone see "Without a Trace" last night?  Russian characters again.. they managed to portray Russian men as violent mafioso killers, and Russian women as gold digging whores and the MOB biz as a front for human traffic... really nice 

[groovlstk]

Sometimes when I hear this kind of comment I am bothered by it.  Basically what you are saying is do not show emotions.. at all.  On the one hand I know you are right GOB..

GOB's experience mirrors my own, but I don't think you need to think of it as "not showing any emotions." Maybe it's best described as maintaining your composure during stressful situations, not losing your cool over silly things, etc..

[Sculpto]

GOB's experience mirrors my own, but I don't think you need to think of it as "not showing any emotions." Maybe it's best described as maintaining your composure during stressful situations, not losing your cool over silly things, etc..

On the other hand.. being too enthusiastic about things can seem strange also.  I was and still am really fascinated by the Moscow Metro.  Despite the noise and crowds I really like riding the trains and exploring the stations architecture and art.. might change if i had to do it every day.. but.. anyway.. "Why it so interesting to you?  It just escalator..."  'Yes but it is an escalator that is like a ten story building.. you will not see that in many other places in the world..'  "yes, but escalator is stupid.. it just a machine" 'true, but I like it.. I want to make a movie about it'  "it will to be very strange movie, you a little strange Ereek" 'hahah yes I am a little strange.. but its ok because you are not normal' "ok, it true hahaha" 

I don't know.. I am not so controlled.. so many years in Mexico.. so many years around loud and attention seeking artists.. I LOVE Italians but barely tolerate Germans.. I like emotional people and see that Russians are almost as controlled as Germans.  I am almost afraid of what might happen if my Russian were to open the floodgates and let out all the stuff she is holding in to maintain "decorum".

[Zhena]

That's not true

No,not true-money matter more.

[Zhena]

What seems common of women worldwide is they are most attracted to power and money. You will find, in general, that the most powerful and rich guys seem to have the best looking women, don't they? Why would an RW or UW be any different? She will compare her life to that of her friends lives. She will not want to be at the bottom of the social level. Women are competitive in that way. She will push you to earn more...better job, nicer things. The younger she is the more she will want.

I have suggested in the past that it might be wiser to search for your EE lady right in your own country. This would serve to eliminate the comparing and expectations to some extent because she would have already accomplished that process during your dating period.

Just a thought.

Peewee

Agree

[Zhena]

A man's confidence is contagious, rubbing off onto women and making them feel secure. 

While being rich is not a mandatory criterion for good-hearted women, no RW wants to marry "poor."  The man must make the women feel that he is able to take care of her and will always do it.  Thus, a man with money yet seems "greedy" is not a winner. "Greedy" is a major consideration among RW.

In the list of what attracts women, I would say at the top is "charm."  It certainly will open the doors (and remove many a knicker).

+1

[OlgaH]

Nicely said Olga! It seems to me that on the forums it is too easily forgotten that some women actually love their husbands for whom they are. True, there will be the occasional fight or disagreement, but some women actually are not always on the lookout for the next best thing in terms of a husband.

Thanks Misha.

Yes, some women love and marry men for whom they are, for other women the power and money are main preferences in their choice and a man's personality and confidence they measure with that two preferences, but there always will be somebody more powerful and more rich than their husbands, and such thought will always eat them up, and they will be always, as you said, on the lookout for the next best thing in terms of a husband... even after marriage     

[JR]

I don't believe Zhena was labeling the bunch as Material Girls - and for WM to read it as such would be
pure folly. I have to admit, my wife - and many of her new RW/UW friends here, whether married to
WM or not - tend to compare, and possess a desire to upgrade.

Aren't we men upgrading by looking to marry 'up' thru searching abroad?