Realities of FSUW

[Zhena]

And you are a dermatologist or a beautician?

Reading is easy, even I can do it.

Yes,Jaded,I am a dermatologist.If anybody who reads,can be a doctor,than I am sorry.

[Zhena]

Ecocks,to have sex  if you dont want that,but you need some minimum amount,is silly. I didnt see any doc,who would prescribe that,but yes,some people believe that. But dont you agree,that a sex with beloved person and mutual desire is good for you?

[Ade]

Yes,Jaded,I am a dermatologist.If anybody who reads,can be a doctor,than I am sorry.

Of course, that is not what I said; one of the problems I have found with a lot of people in the medical profession in general is they assume that everyone else is an idiot and is incapable of understanding the most rudimentary medical information. I've also learned not to respect everyone in the medical profession by default just because they managed to pass some exams and, in fact, only a few have earned my respect over the years.

[Zhena]

Yeah,many people disrespect doctors and many think that they actually know better than a doctor :DI am used to this. In this case I just say-come when you REALLY will need me. Then we will talk,only promise to listen to me.
If all would be so simple and everyone who had read some article,knows the subject-why to finish a university and then some years of practice to see how it works in real :rolleyes2:There are many details that people,who never studied a medicine,dont know.
Offtop though.

[Ade]

Yeah,many people disrespect doctors

You have a very bad habit of putting words into other people's mouth. I didn't say that I disrespect doctors. What I did say is that doctors need to earn my respect and few have.

and many think that they actually know better than a doctor :DI am used to this. In this case I just say-come when you REALLY will need me. Then we will talk,only promise to listen to me.
If all would be so simple and everyone who had read some article,knows the subject-why to finish a university and then some years of practice to see how it works in real :rolleyes2:There are many details that people,who never studied a medicine,dont know.
Offtop though.

And in my experience a lot of doctors are so arrogant that they fail to listen to their patients. A lot also stop learning once they've passed their exams and remain way out of date on current medical research.

Every profession has incompetents and the medical profession is no exception.

[Mir]

It is true that doctors quite often do not listen to their patients and also true that it is not possible to make any diagnoses without talking to the patient and doing an examination.

Well as we know acne is due to a dysfunction of sebaceous glands.
People with bad acne tend to have larger sebaceous glands and more sebum production.
In most people acne clears after teens but some never get rid of it.
Hormones do play an important role, the main hormone is DHT which is made from both testosterone (in men) and adrenal androgens (in women).
Vast majority of people with acne do not have abnormal hormone levels but abnormal response to DHT by the glands.

Does Sex make it better?

There is evidence that production of androgens is increased in stress therefore worsening the acne. Sex can reduce stress and produce improvement.

Does beer make it worse?

There is no evidence that diet has a major effect on acne. However there can be individual variations and some people do notice worsening with certain diets.
Flare up of acne after beer (but not with spirits) has been reported by some. One possible explanation given is that beer due to its high sugar content is more acidic. The acid acts as an astringent and shrinks the outlet of the glands. I am not sure if there is any evidence to support this.
Alcohol can cause sleep disturbances thus affecting hormone release.

Liver disease and skin

Liver is a massive organ. It is not easy damage it with alcohol unless there is serious overindulgence. To have liver damage due to alcohol at the age of 20 would be very unusual.
I don't think acne is seen in people with damaged liver due to alcohol.

Also acne can be caused by some chemicals. Some medications like sedatives might contain these chemicals.
Certain makeup products (oily or astringent) may make acne worse.

It is possible that in this case A's acne improved when she had sex with Sculpto due to some individual healing property present in Sculpto. He should test this hypothesis by having sex with other women who have acne and if similar results are observed then he can offer this service commercially. It will solve his financial problems

[mies]

Zhena - based on the "professional" remarks you are making here -  I am happy you aren't my doctor, and hopefully never will be. Doctor has to have a little more than self-confidence and telling to a person she never saw (even a photo), nor did any tests "she has acne, it is from hormones, it will go away in several years". I presume you aren't psychic.
My advice to cut down on beer would definitely not cause any harm to "A", and possibly will result in slight improvement of her skin (or general health).
Your argument which you started purely out of medical arrogance may be in fact harmful for "A" because now if she or Sculpto reads it - she has a justification for drinking "Dermatologist Zhena told me I can drink beer and it will help the condition of my skin".

[Ranetka]

Zhena - that was responding to Sandro's point regarding cause of one form of skin problem. You were certainly on track with regard to the basic function of the glands with regard to acne. Other skin conditions could well be caused by liver problems.

However, the topic of realities of FSUW is indeed getting a bit fuzzy as we venture off into skin conditions. Let's revive the topic if we can.....

On that note, I have heard similar stories with regard to a more general attitude of "sex (and hormonal release) is good for you" both directly in the FSU and, more generally, in Europe proper. These stories were from both students and a couple of the gals I dated.

So, perhaps some of our FSU members (of both sexes) can offer up some enlightenment on whether they feel that one general reason for more open sexuality might be a cultural belief that it's good for you?

For that matter does anyone care to comment on what I am describing as a "generally more open" attitude towards sexual activity in the FSU than the States or elsewhere in Europe?

Yes Ecocks, this is normal Russian attitude, especially I heard it a lot from my older friends (btw I am pushing 40).

Zhena, have you never heard "завести кого-нибудь для здоровья"? (find somebody for health).

I am not a doctor, so can only say from personal experience :-) Good sex is good for me:-)

[Sculpto]

Also acne can be caused by some chemicals. Some medications like sedatives might contain these chemicals.
Certain makeup products (oily or astringent) may make acne worse.

I had a strong feeling her makeup was at least partly making her skin worse.  Her friend also agreed and we both tried to convince "A" to use less.  She responded positively after a bit of pressure.  I also brought her very high quality cleansing products as well as a salicilic acid and a benzoil peroxide product to try.  I explained to her to try the salicilic acid first for one month and that it is possible it could get worse before getting better.  If her skin did not improve to wait one week and then try the benzoil peroxide.  I have personally had excellent results with salicilic acid products when I get small breakouts on my forehead and also for minor excema also on my forehead.  The cleansing products and masks I brought for her are all organic products and she liked how they felt on her skin quite a bit.  If I remember I will ask her how it is going with the over the counter medicines.

It is possible that in this case A's acne improved when she had sex with Sculpto due to some individual healing property present in Sculpto. He should test this hypothesis by having sex with other women who have acne and if similar results are observed then he can offer this service commercially. It will solve his financial problems

Actually, I have seen this before.  When I lived in Mexico I was a sort of apprentice with a native doctor, Don Filogonio of San Cristobal.  Don F was an amazing man who knew ancient Mayan healing arts using medicinal plants.  His great great great + gandfather had been burned at the stake by the Spanish Inquisition after an accusation of witchcraft.  His garden contained an enormous variety of medicinals.  Don F had the ability through simple observation to diagnose all sorts of ailments and prescribe the right herbals for cures.  He was well known throughout Mexico and was visited by Pope Juan Pablo when he went to SCLC.  People came from all over the world for help with cancer and I saw him improve the health of a musician friend with a heroin habit that infected him with HIV.  Don F died in 1994 and I miss him a lot.  People in SCLC still talk about him as if he were alive.  I believe he endowed me with healing power.    Don F never took a penny for his work.  He lived an austere life and would accept food in exchange for diagnosis.  For very serious ailments people would bring him live chickens or cats.  There were dozenas of cats roaming around his place. 

[Sculpto]

Ok, I have  aquestion about sexual preferences.  I don't mean specific acts or whatever, but, the discussion of sex between couples. 

So, the specific question is would it be considered taboo to discuss preferences regarding specific acts or even fetishes?

This question is serious and for the women to answer please. 

[mies]

Ok, I have  aquestion about sexual preferences.  I don't mean specific acts or whatever, but, the discussion of sex between couples. 

So, the specific question is would it be considered taboo to discuss preferences regarding specific acts or even fetishes?

This question is serious and for the women to answer please. 

no it isn't taboo. What will be the reaction of a specific woman - i don't know. Better to start discussing right now- will save time.

[Ranetka]

Ok, I have  aquestion about sexual preferences.  I don't mean specific acts or whatever, but, the discussion of sex between couples. 

So, the specific question is would it be considered taboo to discuss preferences regarding specific acts or even fetishes?

This question is serious and for the women to answer please. 

The best way to discuss with a woman specific acts or fetishes is when you are having sex.

You said "between couples"...My guess if you are going to discuss swinger sex or group sex it might get you into trouble, some women I know would consider unacceptable for you to make this kind of suggestion but from what you said about your GF I think she would be able just to say yes or no without making a lot of fuss about it.

[Gator]

Ok, I have  aquestion about sexual preferences.  I don't mean specific acts or whatever, but, the discussion of sex between couples. 

So, the specific question is would it be considered taboo to discuss preferences regarding specific acts or even fetishes?

This question is serious and for the women to answer please. 

This is a serious question?  Gawd!  Hasn't this thread endured enough.  Why not start a new thread under the "Ask RW" subforum.  Label it "Sculpto’s brain sprinkling." 

Frankly, this question sounds like something a 13-yo boy would ask. 

[Sculpto]

This is a serious question?  Gawd!  Hasn't this thread endured enough.  Why not start a new thread under the "Ask RW" subforum.  Label it "Sculpto’s brain sprinkling." 

Frankly, this question sounds like something a 13-yo boy would ask. 

What the hell Gator.. it is a very serious question.  I am not going to get into specifics but everyone has their preferences.  AWs are usually very easy to talk with about these things, but, I had read some different things on the topic stating that most FSUW are very conservative sexually, and, the last few comments from some of the ladies on the topic of sex plus the debate with Siberia2k also indicate the same.  I woul dlike opinions from WOMEN.  Did you get a sex change since yesterday?

You know, I am just about fed up with this forum.  If you don't have something constructive to say keep your damn mouth shut. 

[Sculpto]

The best way to discuss with a woman specific acts or fetishes is when you are having sex.

You said "between couples"...My guess if you are going to discuss swinger sex or group sex it might get you into trouble, some women I know would consider unacceptable for you to make this kind of suggestion but from what you said about your GF I think she would be able just to say yes or no without making a lot of fuss about it.

Thanks for answering Ranetka.. I didn't mean swinging or really anything specific.  It is just that SF is very liberal sexually and there are a lot of fetish people here including the Folsom Street Fair which I enjoy attending.  I would not want to make her uncomfortable in that environment for example.. there is other stuff but not appropriate to discuss here.

[ECOCKS]

Re: Sex Health

завести кого-нибудь для здоровья

I ran that phrase around my family and EVERYONE knew it. Lots of blushing among my sisters-in-law and my brothers-in-law all smile and wink. So, obviously it is a well-known saying.

Re: Male:Female Ratio

Also, interestingly, in my family there are 7 children in the newest generation, ALL boys. Anecdotal, but illustrative and in line with the WHO and other international statistics regarding the imbalance between males and females in the FSU.

Re: Skin Problems

Reminder - we are assuming that it is acne, when it could actually be "liver spots," impetigo or eczema or other things.

Abuse of alcohol does result in some rupturing of blood vessels due to vitamin depletion.

[groovlstk]

AWs are usually very easy to talk with about these things, but, I had read some different things on the topic stating that most FSUW are very conservative sexually, and, the last few comments from some of the ladies on the topic of sex plus the debate with Siberia2k also indicate the same.  I woul dlike opinions from WOMEN.  Did you get a sex change since yesterday?

I'm not a Russian female but I'm married to one and I've dated dozens of others. The "conservative" label used by men in reference to RW and sex is pure BS - don't you find it a little... coincidental that the guys who beat the "conservative and innocent" label are the ones who stand to profit from this venture?

[mies]

No, that's not what I meant at all. I was referring to becoming sexually active. I distinguish that from promiscuity and even the loss of virginity since the students and family situations I am talking about tend to be in sequential relationships rather than frenzied, overlapping ones. Multiple students confirm sleepovers are common where the apartments are large enough to allow a bit of privacy. Several families I have met have a child living with their BF or GF in the flat. Which is rare in my social circles stateside. My sense of it is that this is more accepted in this area (Ukraine) and I presumed (perhaps wrongly) Russia was the same.

Frankly speaking your question and viewpoint are quite unexpected. I never heard ukrainians or russians expressing same ideas. In my 20something years spent in Ukraine I did not see families where parents allow their child's bf/gf living with them. I've read on forums that such situations exist, but seriously I never met these families or couples in real life - not among relatives, not among friends, nor neighbors, nor colleagues. I do know couples who are living together in rented apartment, and they are treated by older population as a inferior type of marriage. Older generation in my social circle is not favorable about such relationship. And I never talked to parents of those young people. Normally parents of a girl want their daughter to get married the sooner the better, parents of a guy - in many cases want their son "not to waste his time on this sl-ut". Young people view living together as a relatively normal practice, an easier variant of marriage - when man still believes he is a "free man" and a woman believes she has an "unofficial husband". This isn't necessarily the attitude of all people in Ukraine, but this type of reaction is quite uniform among the people whom i know. My own parents have typical old-fashioned views. For them it is not "ok" for a guy to spend a night in the house of single woman. For example if I were dating somebody from another country or another city while still living with my parents, and this guy would come to visit - my parents would never let the guy stay in their apartment. Up to the point that they would pay for his hotel to show hospitality, but would not offer to stay in spare room of their large apartment. If I invite my friends of both genders - then it's ok - both men and women can live in the apartment. One man staying over - a big "no".

Sexuality "for health reasons" - I would not give it even 1% of all intercourses happening. Probably not even 0.1%
I wasn't saying that either. I said "hormonal release/sex is good for you". I have heard this from Ukrainian doctors (plural) which took me aback more than a step or two or twelve. Maybe I meet a biased group though. It seems to be heading in that direction here as well. Jolly brings out this point and certainly there is a growing belief here in the US that frequent sex results in the release of various chemicals and relieves stress/tension. Someone is pushing that 200 times per year milestone for determining minimum healthy sex.

I've heard this phrase on two occasions. (1) By men who don't want to marry nor have serious relationship yet they want to persuade woman that it is in her interest to have sex with him.  (2) By doctors to the single women of 30-40 who live for many years without man. Once these women start having health issues related to hormonal imbalance - doctors sometimes advise those women to start dating a man because sex is good for health and would normalize the level of hormones in a natural way. It is also told to very "old-fashioned" women with attempt to loose their old-fashioned views. Something like "even if you can't find a husband - you still can try to enjoy sex". So technically - this phrase proves the contrary of your belief - it shows that topic of sexuality is much more controversial in ukraine that it is at the West.
If you want my personal opinion - I do not separate sex from love so I never had the issue of deciding whether sex is good for health or not, and whether I should have sex with specific person for health reasons only. Sex with someone you love is good for your health (assuming this "someone" doesn't have HIV and such) simply because it makes you happy - same as Jolly said.  Happy people usually have better health and live longer, stressed people look unhealthy, and quite possibly are less healthy too. Sex with someone you at least want is good for you too. Sex with someone you don't want - probably also releases some hormones but isn't always good for health - otherwise people would not be so negative about rapes.

Re: Skin Problems
Reminder - we are assuming that it is acne, when it could actually be...

that's the point i was trying to make all the way.

Maybe you need to define sexuality in your context? For me it is a generally more accepted attitude by society towards couples being engaged in openly acknowledged sexual relationships.

yes, this is more or less how i define it too. For my american young friends it's not a big deal to tell everybody "i met this great girl from sorority and we had sex yesterday", they speak of sex casually. Or girls in clubs getting drunk and trying to find a guy specifically to get laid that night - and they get upset if they can't find somebody. If young people in Ukraine discuss sex - it is usually a "big deal" - both for the teller and the audience, and girls never look at the parties for the guy to get laid. They look for guy who can become their regular boyfriend, and unless you are a foreigner or loaded with cash - if you are a normal average young man or a college student - chances to get laid same night for a guy are pretty slim. Girl will flirt, will be interested, but will try to "postpone" sex.  

Other indicators include the attitudes towards sexual harassment, prostitution, frank and explicit conversations and the like.

you lost me here completely. Could you please elaborate on what are the attitudes towards sexual harassment in ukraine and in russia?

[ECOCKS]

Ecocks,to have sex  if you dont want that,but you need some minimum amount,is silly. I didnt see any doc,who would prescribe that,but yes,some people believe that. But dont you agree,that a sex with beloved person and mutual desire is good for you?

While they stop short of "prescription," there seems to be a theory being bandied about that, generally, 200 times per year is a good threshold for being "healthy" these days.

Google "sex 200 times" and read about Oprah, Dr. Oz and the fascinating argument about whether you should have 200 orgasms or simply have sex.

[Mir]

Yes there are various ways to treat acne but as someone has suggested we need to be sure it is acne.

I believe he endowed me with healing power

There we have it, just as I suspected.
Well you might be able to set yourself a nice clinic: Healing through sex, or something like that.
Oh just a world of caution, men get acne too, and you live in SF.Then maybe that is what you want to discuss with her before she arrives?

[Sculpto]

Yes there are various ways to treat acne but as someone has suggested we need to be sure it is acne.

There we have it, just as I suspected.
Well you might be able to set yourself a nice clinic: Healing through sex, or something like that.
Oh just a world of caution, men get acne too, and you live in SF.Then maybe that is what you want to discuss with her before she arrives?

That is an interesting idea Mir.. though I suspect it might not have much success in SF as there are more men than women who would be seeking such services LOL.

[mies]

That is an interesting idea Mir.. though I suspect it might not have much success in SF as there are more men than women who would be seeking such services LOL.

i like men in Castro  they look very romantic when two guys hold hands, i can tell they are really in love and very happy. I have not noticed many of them having skin problems though.

[mies]

My guess if you are going to discuss swinger sex or group sex it might get you into trouble, some women I know would consider unacceptable for you to make this kind of suggestion

agree.

I know several FSU females who like going to bdsm clubs in USA. I do not know any girls back in Ukraine who attend such clubs, nor do i know such clubs in Kyiv and not sure there are any. But topic is speculated about in ukrainian and russian magazines for women - something like "let's talk about a kinky twist to sexual revolution". 

Are you sure you are looking for woman in a right place?

[mies]

Frankly, this question sounds like something a 13-yo boy would ask. 

do you think 13yo boys are much interested in fetishism?

[SMS60]

do you think 13yo boys are much interested in fetishism?

Oh Mies

You have not been a member of a boys club. I will tell you about the local clubs many years ago.

The club was usually a cornfield, old barn, or run down building. The meetings were held after school or saturday afternoons. Most meetings consisted of stolen smokes and/or alcohol, a few girly magazines and after about an hour the imaginations were running wild. Most members went home sick but there was always the next meeting.

This was back in the good ole days.