I am married.. and wife try do K1 visa with american man...What to do?

[JR]

I'm getting paranoid. Last month my wife bought a Russian-Dutch dictionary. Strange....

Yeah but whats even weirder is that she is bidding on an airline ticket I've got listed on e-bay, and it's to Amsterdam...

[JR]

Yeah but whats even weirder is that she is bidding on an airline ticket I've got listed on e-bay, and it's to Amsterdam...

That of course is a joke, only a joke and nothing but a joke ! ! ! !

[Maxx2]

This Belorussian woman entered the United States in 2004 on a K-1 visa.



Eight months later she filed an abuse charge against her husband.

He did a back ground investigation on her. It was found she was still married to her Norwegian husband. With the proof of this her "husband" had their "marriage" annulled. He took his case to I.C.E. but was told by them there was nothing they could do about it unless ordered by a Federal judge. They advised him to send his documentation to the Vermont Service Center where all abuse petitions are processed. He did. For the next ten months he heard nothing. Then finally he got a letter in the mail from the V.S.C. Eagerly he tore it open. It was addressed to her. The letter stated that her petition as an abused spouse of a US citizen had been approved and that she can go to  the local service center and pickup her LPR card.

After a few years this fellow decided to do it again. Met a nice woman from Ukraine named Lora. He applied for a K-1. It took him 1 1/2 years to get her  NOA 2. It happened with the help of his US Senator and immigration attorney. Lora barely made it through the  interview and wouldn't have if for her fiance who was there telling it like it is. They have been together 2 + years.

To what this fellow who posted this thread should do. He needs to contact the right people in the USCIS. It is a giant bureaucracy many things get lost there. I would contact the guy I know that is a retired immigrations officer (27 years in immigration services), John Sampson. He can tell you who you can contact.

John N. Sampson
CSI Consulting and Investigations
303-332-1020
www.csiinvestigations.vpweb.com
       
Tell John Sampson, Maxx sent you. Please keep us updated about your story. The details you provide could help others.

 

[Ade]

I find it strange that you have such a system that even when there's proof positive of deliberate deceit, it still turns a blind eye. Or are they so inefficient there that things just get "lost"?

[goforit]

I find it strange that you have such a system that even when there's proof positive of deliberate deceit, it still turns a blind eye. Or are they so inefficient there that things just get "lost"?

SJ,

because the domestic abuse/domestic violence industry in America is not about justice, it is about politics. God help the man who ever gets caught up into it. Regardless of the facts, you will be the enemy from day 1.

[Tarzan]

Ok guys..

First of all this is not a joke. And it is not the lady on the pictures. To explain: She was before in america on the k1 visa. Long before we met. She was back in russia in 2005. We started comunicating in 2006 and met januar 2007.

About her time in america i know that she was in very many cities and did not stay long in each place. Miami, Atlanta, chicago....The reacon for this i dont know. She is very educated 3 higher educations. And so she easyli fonud work there. But from what i understood she payed a man to make this k1 for her. And so she went back when it finished. Truth or not it, was before me so it doesent matter. Anyway we met and married in my country in july 2007. Here we have to wait long time for the visa so she only entered Norway in July 2008.

About this american man: She knew him before me, and he is in close 50 and lives in Philadelphia. In know his name but i will not post it. He rents apartment and has not alot of money. Which is bad for her becauce she likes to spend.

But then again it is ok becauce she is a hi class woman. She was fotomodel and she is always (hands down) the most beautiful woman in the room/beach/party.

Anyway this doesent help me much now. Still for me i just dont want to make things easy for her going in to something new. If i can slow her down in this i would like. Divorce here will not be a problem.

Anyway it is tough when you find out these thing about your wife and at firs you do not want to belive what is happening..Becauce you love.. and... well you know..I thought i would grow old with her. With her all felt right. I was in long relationship before.. but never wanted marrige...But with her i wanted....

Anyway thank you for all help.

Tarzan

[Gator]

There must be some strange stuff in the Norwegian water!  Small country, yet three different RW have married NM and then traveled to America on a K-1.

Anyway it is tough when you find out these thing about your wife and at firs you do not want to belive what is happening..Becauce you love.. and... well you know..I thought i would grow old with her. With her all felt right. I was in long relationship before.. but never wanted marrige...But with her i wanted....

We feel your pain, brother. 

Anytime something like this happens to a person, it is natural to enter a state of denial, to not believe.   Tarzan, she will come back only if she has no other place to go.   She tried marriage with you and life in Norway.  She had your love, all of your love.  It was not good enough for her.   Please believe us - you do not want this woman back.   She will make you miserable.

Drown your sorrows in beer, hangout with your friends and start the legal steps to divorce her. Time to move on and start a new life without her.

But then again it is ok because she is a hi class woman.

Maybe something is lost in translation from Norwegian, but this is not "OK."  She is not a "hi class" woman.  The more we learn about her, the worse she seems.

She was fotomodel and she is always (hands down) the most beautiful woman in the room/beach/party.

Ah ha!  Many of the RW model types have been corrupted and spoiled from an early age.  Men have used them and from that they have learned to use men.  She may change someday, but don't expect it to happen soon. 

Somehow your words make me remember a funny, short song from long, long time ago.

The music:  [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7BmrewitiA[/youtube]


The lyrics:   http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/lyrics/i/if_you_wanna_be_happy.txt


 

[Vaughn]

Tarzan,

   My earlier joke was in poor taste considering your situation, and I hope you didn't take it seriously. This woman
is most unsettled, bouncing around North America and Europe, with looks and charm her ticket to move on. What
strikes me deeply is that it sounds like she is searching for herself, and hasn't the charcter to follow accepted rules, let alone to commit to one man. Her erratic pattern may never cease.

   The short term you spent with this lady works in your favor. I agree with Gator's advice to head out with your
best pals and enjoy yourselves. You are fortunate NOT to have settled in long term with her. Don't spend too much
time grieving over the loss of her beauty ~ there are far better ladies hoping a man with your compassion will look
their way.

[Maxx2]

The reason I posted the photo and told the story was to confirm that these things do happen.

Taking care of yourself as the other fellows here advise is a good idea. I will add one way to do it is to notify the proper authorities to prevent your wife from carry on her felonies. It is a felony to lie on a US Federal form about being free to marry. It is a felony to marry a man while still being married to another (if she goes that far). It is known that if a person commits one crime they are likely to commit another. I can only imagine all the pain and suffering such a woman will do to men here in America. The men and their families she will hurt and not with just false Domestic violence charges either. The bad ones commit crimes of shoplifting, insurance fraud etc. Then there is you Tarzan. Do you want to think that she was indifferent to your marriage and haughtly came and went as she pleased? That she thinks you are a nobody to be used. She needs to be brought down a "peg or two" (shown reality). If you do it right she will be barred from ever entering the U.S.       

[Maxx2]

I find it strange that you have such a system that even when there's proof positive of deliberate deceit, it still turns a blind eye. Or are they so inefficient there that things just get "lost"?

goforit nailed it. Immigration services is under the control of liberal elements. It is partly feminist and partly immigration lawyers' special interests. We have 20,000 immigration attorneys in the US and they need an appeals system to help them make a living. The EOIR (Executive Office of Immigration Review) courts and their judges make deportation so difficult that Immigration Services usually do not bother to try deportation involving cases involving false domestic violence charges. The feminists through Congressional staff members influence the decision making process. If Tarzan was an AM his trying to inform Immigration services of her crimes would in it's self considered abuse. That is he is trying to get her denied her U.S. immigration benefits. What is considered abuse is hypersensitized. In short the system is really screwed up.

[kievstar]

This is true to start off with.  Would not joke or lie about something serious like this.

I always send cars to Ukraine from Philadelphia.  A container to send cars to Ukraine holds 4 (unless large SUV - than 2).  Sometimes I needed to find other people to put cars in the container to save on cost.  Anyways the guy who bought this girl a car lives in Philadelphia. Are you positive this girl is Russian and not Ukraine.  The girl I speak about is 27-29 years old and black hair.  More than 168 cm in height and less than 57 kg in weight. 

Gator, regarding Elenas models in Kiev.  I look at the photos on Elena models and when I lived in Kiev I would see the ones listed as most popular every week in the popular night clubs with different men.  Most of these men were sex tourists.  Sex toursits like to see real pictures and talk directly with girls.  They do not mess around with letter writing. 

The girl above told me she makes between 2,000 usd and 10,000 usd plus gifts just for being with a man for 4-6 days.  I am sure these other Elena model girls pull down 2,000 to 10,000 usd a week as well. 

There was a guy on this board about a year ago who posted a picture of a girl he dated in Kiev and even hinted at having sex with her.  When he left Kiev she no longer had interest in him.  I met this girl as well.  She is 100% hooker. Another Elena model girl.  She is now engaged with a man and off the agency boards.  She has a friend who married a guy in New York and she told me her friend will divorce this guy after green card but wants to have  child with him so she can get more money support. 

Why do I know women like this - I know much worse men in Kiev.  On my honeymoon my wife was happy she found out  I was not mafia - this is true. I am blue collar by nature but work in a fortune 500 senior executive world. This type of man is just like the well to do Russian men in Kiev.  Which is different than Moscow well to do men.   My point is I am liked by Ukraine men.  I have had dinner twice at the ex mayor of Kiev's house.  When you go to dinners like this you also meet women of low integrity.

By the way, I do not sleep around before marriage and my wife was also happy something else worked during honeymoon. she thought I had a problem but married me anyway.   She is happy something works.

[GoodOlBoy]

I am blue collar by nature...... my wife was also happy something else worked during honeymoon. she thought I had a problem but married me anyway.   She is happy something works.

Kievstar......You are definitely a "Blue Collar Man"!!  :evil:






GOB

[Tarzan]

hi again guys.

And thanks you for all warm words and advice. I am not alone after all..). I confronted her on the visa issue. And she spoke it is not the first time he do for her visa, but she never vent. Truth or lie i dont know. Anyway she i a little bored here and misses spb. So she asked if we could move to spb to try there. I dont know what to think. Maybe it is just a plan to make easy start for her and so later kick me out.

 Tarzan

[Gator]

Tarzan,

Why is she bored?  Do you live in a small town? 

What makes you think that she really wants to be with you for the long term?

When applying for a K-1, the fiancee (your wife) must sign the G-325 form.  Thus, she has knowingly participated in fraud.  Why would you accept deceit? 

If you go to St. Piter you will worry about what evil trick she may have planned.  That is no way to live.  You need to feel trust and honesty, not betrayal and deceit.

You know what to do.  Be strong!

[giants11]

Get out of the relatinship!!!

[goforit]

Gator is being nice and trying to encourage you. Good for him. But let me state it plainly,

Run! Get out of the relationship! Run!

If you don't you will be a train wreck that we will be reading about at some point not too far into the future.

[Tarzan]

i get it.. I get it.

It is just a painful process. Sometimes i wonder how things could go from what was on our wedding video to what they are now. 180 degrees.. Anyway i will try stop her visa with the info you gave me. If that works we will keep her in russia atleast for a while, and this man will loose his money, not much of a payback.. But it will do..

Tarzan

[Tarzan]

one more question. This form she has to sign, is this done before he can start process with lawyer from the us?

 Tarzan

[Gator]

one more question. This form she has to sign, is this done before he can start process with lawyer from the us?

The form she signs (G-325) is just one document of many that the man must submit to the US government.  He submits all documents as one package.  Rarely does the applicant (the man) use a lawyer.

In this particular case, the man may have forged your wife's signature.  Bad for him if the government discovers it.  Also, the man may not know that your wife is married.  Crazy situation.

Now that the smoke is clearing one can look back and think about what happened.  Question to you Tarzan, looking back to before you married, were there any signs that she is deceitful without any sense of honor?

[Tarzan]

i know that this man hired a lawyer. Will he need copy of all pages in her passport also? And is this something he must have before he start? There is now special sticker in there for norway. I dont think she did for me something badly in past, but i will never know for sure. We were pregnant but we lost it, and that means something, i guess,

Tarzan

[remiel6]

This may have been covered, but in order to get a K1 visa to come to the US she needs to prove she is free to marry. If she can't she will not get in, if they find out she lied, they will deny her permanent residency as they frown on this a lot. It would be similar to entering the us on a travel visa and getting married, there they would kick her out of the country till all the paperwork was finished then allow her back in. Polygamy is illegal in the us and since most counrties recognize marriages from others, her second marriage is illegal and she would be denied permanent residency status anyway. Immigration in the US presumes all girls marrying americans are liars anyway, so if you give them a reason to deny it, they will.

[Mishenka]

Tarzan,
1. File for divorce, ASAP, you should have done this the moment you found out.
2. Cut her off from all contact and communication with you.
3. Block her from your bank accounts, (if you havent already)
4. Don't expect to hear from her again. She has already moved on.
5. She will not contest the divorce, you will win by default, so don't worry, be happy she is gone!
6. Find a new woman who is from your home town and really loves you.
7. Live happily ever after.

Mishenka

[Tarzan]

Thanks again for all advice.

Just so badly all this...To send her back to Russia.. I so belived i founded the one.

Anyway..my family speak that i broked my back to please her...and still all this trouble..2,5 years...It may not be so long..but it feels like it.

And to start all this all over again.. Norwegian girls are not for me..Not after Russian.
And to find woman of her class.. not many women like her, even in Russia. But to continue like this is not possible too.


Tarzan.

[Ade]

Thanks again for all advice.

Just so badly all this...To send her back to Russia.. I so belived i founded the one.

Anyway..my family speak that i broked my back to please her...and still all this trouble..2,5 years...It may not be so long..but it feels like it.

And to start all this all over again.. Norwegian girls are not for me..Not after Russian.
And to find woman of her class.. not many women like her, even in Russia. But to continue like this is not possible too.


Tarzan.

I'm not sure why you don't like Norwegian girls... I think that they are smashing.

Maybe you can't get the ones that look like models here though? But then again, should you be looking for that type of girl in Russia...?

[Tarzan]

Well i think we all have our reacons for going out of the country for women. Here there arent that many to choose from. We all know the greatness of russian women. And if i compare that with the greatness of out own girls.. I am in favor of the russian girls...Even after this. We are both quite young and we havent problems in getting other partner if that was the case..

Tarzan