How much should the whole process cost?

[facetrock]

 I have three daughters, 22,19, and 17. They are not neurotic, there friends arent either. In fact I have met alot of girls in there early 20s and have met few that are what you describe. Your 26 and I am sorry if you get offended when I say I dont think you really know much about women.
Maybe its you that are different, you have stated you always expect the worst, most people your age are optimistic.
Have you ever met a Russian woman before?
To travel to the FSU to meet a woman to marry all the while thinking it will fail is, lets see, a little neurotic.

[Sculpto]

Brian.. you think AW are neurotic?  LOL.. dude the FSUWs are going to eat you alive.  You don't stand a chance.  They will twist you up into knots and discard you like a toilet paper.  No joke here.  

I don't have a lot of good things to say about AWs but in the overall scheme of female neurosis AWs are pretty far down on the international scale of that.  At least in the US they are essentially emancipated and have all kinds of media support for developing their self esteem.

Now, go to the FSU and you are going to find women that are really WOMEN!  That means all kinds of hormonal differences plus HUGE cultural differences from what you are used to.  

On top of that.. they know men in ways that will make AWs seem like children.  They will manipulate you and stomp you down simply because they are accustomed to dealing with men 1000 times more aggresive and thoughtless than an AM could ever be.  

I am telling you, if you want to get a taste just go to the party at kazantip or even go spend some time on Arcadia beach in Odessa in the summer.  But, forget about this marriage thing.. you aren't ready and I think you are going to do some damage to someone that doesn't deserve it.

[BrianW]

Sculpto,


Why pursue women that are as manipulative and neurotic as you say RW are?

[facetrock]

Brian, Sculpto makes some good points. You should listen. Anyone that goes into a marriage or anything else with the idea that it will fail is almost always right.
If I was your age I would be on a beach in Odessa having a great time with all the young hotties that just wanna have fun. Forget marriage. Go burn some brain cells with some hot young party animal girls from Odessa. My God, to be young again, enjoy it.

[BrianW]

How far is Odessa from Kiev?


Thanks.

[Vaughn]

487 km or about 300 miles.

Brian, what's all this talk of probable failure? I agree with the others, just go,
date and have a good time. There's no rule that one must get engaged - and
why would you with that attitude hanging over you?

[Ravens9273]

This post cannot honestly be serious. If it is it seems like a person desperate to get laid because it is not happening in the USA. There cannot be any other motive here by what this person has said.
This is typical person of believing all the stereotypes. The only thing he is going to find out if going to Odessa is what ever is keeping him from getting some here in US is going to keep him from hetting some in Ukraine as well. Having a USA passport is not a get laid free card in Ukraine.
Afterwords he would have wished to have kept his money for some local prostitutes.
But there is no other explanation for this other then sex.
If you are willing to marry just to get some you are seriously hopless.

[facetrock]

I think its all about sex too. But what the hell, he is 26 and going to a beach in Odessa will not hurt him. He might learn a thing or two and it wont be a shock to the local girls when a horny 26 year old American guy shows up, I think its happened before there:) The local girls will send this young pup home much wiser and alot poorer.

[Ravens9273]

I am now starting my translation services.

Original letter

Let's say someone flew from New York and stayed in Kharkov for two weeks. Found someone to marry, proposed, etc.

How much would it cost to bring her back to New York? Thanks.

Translation.

I am not getting any action in the USA.
My question. Which is cheaper. Pay for 1 year Russian Wife or hire local prostitutes for a year?

End Translation.

Just like everyone else said. Nothing wrong with going over to have fun. Marrying to have that fun. REDICULOUS!!!
But do not think going to Ukraine will GUARANTEE you to have that fun. You still need game. If game is not working in USA. Odds are it will not work in FSU either.

[facetrock]

   I think him saying he wanted to get married was just an excuse to be here. I really think he is more interested in some poontang and when you are single and 26 that is perfectly normal. If he has no game here he most likely will not get any nookie over there but being a foreigner he might get a little more attention, unless he looks like Shrek.  Either way he would have a good time there and it would be a good experience for any 26 year old walking talking hard on.

[TwoBitBandit]

Now, go to the FSU and you are going to find women that are really WOMEN!  That means all kinds of hormonal differences plus HUGE cultural differences from what you are used to.  

On top of that.. they know men in ways that will make AWs seem like children.  They will manipulate you and stomp you down simply because they are accustomed to dealing with men 1000 times more aggresive and thoughtless than an AM could ever be.  

Very true.

[I/O]

the vast majority my age are either obese, neurotic, psychotic or otherwise defective.

LOL, that is bloody priceless. Buddy, if you need to ask the price, you can't afford the house.

I/O

[Doll]

  ..  dude the FSUWs are going to eat you alive.  You don't stand a chance.  They will twist you up into knots and discard you like a toilet paper.  No joke here.  

 

 
.. they know men in ways that will make AWs seem like children.  They will manipulate you and stomp you down simply because they are accustomed to dealing with men 1000 times more aggresive and thoughtless than an AM could ever be.  
 

[Kuna]

I don't know...   maybe I feel differently than most here...

The OP asks, "How much should the whole process cost?"

I reckon the bar should be set so high that the dreamers, sex tourists, imbeciles and losers get scared off and the serious men (even those on modest incomes) commit to making an investment in common sense and levelheadedness.

I think as it gets less expensive to travel to FSU we'll even see the unsavory characters say stuff like, "Can I get out of this cheaply and then it won't really matter if the relationship falls apart after a year?"

Basically,  men shouldn't go to FSU if their only interest is motivated by their inability to get some action at home.

This is a lot harder than the dreamers can ever imagine!

[Shadow]

Its like buying a Rolls Royce. If you have to ask about the price, you can't afford it.

[BrianW]

I'm not looking just for sex, if I were I would just go to Prague and legally get prostitutes. I don't have a hard time "getting any" here, AW are very easy, for the most part, at my age. I wouldn't expect any marriage to fail, I would just plan for the worst case scenario.


Thanks for the advice though, I will keep you guys updated.

[Mir]

I'm not looking just for sex, if I were I would just go to Prague and legally get prostitutes.

Wouldn't Nevada be closer?

[groovlstk]

I'm not saying I'd ditch her or act like a dirt bag, I'm just saying if we broke up after a year (it seems to be a possibility) then I wouldn't get broken hearted and spend the rest of my life in mourning.

That's wonderful news, I'm relieved to hear that your little broken heart won't screw up the rest of your life!

Now, what about the unfortunate puppy you picked out? You'll take her away from her family, culture, language, and anything she cares about. She'll cut ties with whatever career she was pursuing to join you in the US.

This is serious business, not casual dating - although I'm guessing from your rant against AW that you've been rejected by your peers and have little or no dating experience, so here's something you need to be aware of: as someone said long ago, dating FSU women isn't entry-level dating. You will be eaten alive and used like a rented mule if you've had little experience w/women.

[GoodOlBoy]

You will be eaten alive and used like a rented mule if you've had little experience w/women.

Hey Groovlstk.

I like the term "government mule" better! 

"FSU women will beat and eat him like a government mule". 


GOB

[kievstar]

BrianW, not a video about getting lucky.  Its about a television show in Ukraine using you as comic relief for the people of Ukraine.  Their looking for dumb Americans to make fun of.  This is not a joke.  Dumb Americans on television looking for wives I guess makes good television in Ukraine.  I was asked if I knew anybody in the past and I said no.  But your a different story.

[tim 360]

Brain, " How much should the whole process cost?"  How much do you want to spend?  Or whats your budget?  There are all different models and different prices---in other words at what level do you want to participate?  Economy model or a Ferrari?  Maybe a sedan?  Before you decide perhaps you should do a little reading here since most Americans are totally ignorant and grossly misinformed about marrying RW/UW's and some know next to nothing about AW's and I get the funny feeling you are a member of this group.  Some have fantasies beyond rational belief.

This winter I had the misfortune of meeting a guy who actually thought he could just buy a Russian wife on the internet for $5K and she would magically fly over to marry him.  And he would get a 5 year guarantee that if he no longer wanted his "wife" that the agency would prompty take her and send him a new one free of charge.  Just amazing what some guys think.

Answers to most question you have are probably already here at RWD.  Just do some reading and use the search tab. :noidea:

[Misha]

Let's say someone flew from New York and stayed in Kharkov for two weeks. Found someone to marry, proposed, etc.

How much would it cost to bring her back to New York? Thanks.

A few things. Costs can involve more than money.

A cost can be time. Let's say a man is serious, he can spend a lot of money or he can spend a lot of time learning Russian. It is a cost. Rather than rushing into a marriage, a guy can decide to spend time in the FSU teaching English or if he can doing some volunteer work. This time will also be a cost.

Then there are emotional costs. The model you are proposing IMHO increases the odds of a marriage that will likely fail. Yes, there are success stories, blah blah blah, but there are many failures as well. Have you calculated the emotional cost to you of a failed relationship or marriage? The cost in terms of stress? Disappointment? These are also costs, but don't directly involve dollars and cents.

IMHO, the mistake men (and women) make is calculating the costs solely in terms of money. 

[Blues Fairy]

I've been researching this process for about three years now.
I'd rather have a good one year relationship then write for six months and spend years visiting over and over again.

This doesn't make sense. 
What process exactly have you been researching for three years if you think one can bring over a RW instantly and then dump her after one year with no strings attached? 

[bobb]

... I wouldn't expect any marriage to fail, I would just plan for the worst case scenario.

I find it very difficult to understand this statement.  I believe if you reach a point you wish to marry another person your plans should not factor in 'worst case scenario'.  I really don't think a person can 'plan' ahead of time what the worst case scenario could be in a divorce.

... I'd rather have a good one year relationship then write for six months and spend years visiting over and over again.

When I read that the first time it didn't make sense to me either.  I'm only guessing here, but Brian, are you saying that after you have divorced you will write her for six months and spend years visiting over and over again?  But no, that can't be right.  It makes no sense!

[Sculpto]

BrianW, not a video about getting lucky.  Its about a television show in Ukraine using you as comic relief for the people of Ukraine.  Their looking for dumb Americans to make fun of.  This is not a joke.  Dumb Americans on television looking for wives I guess makes good television in Ukraine.  I was asked if I knew anybody in the past and I said no.  But your a different story.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  Kiev thanks man, you made my day!