Age Range. What is yours and why?

[Misha]

There are plenty of FSU young guys for sex, there are plenty of young guys who think marriage.

Fortunately for me, my wife was not interested in marrying the young men who were interested in sex or marriage  If a man or woman is willing to marry any warm body, there is always somebody available  :evil:

[mies]

Fortunately for me, my wife was not interested in marrying the young men who were interested in sex or marriage   If a man or woman is willing to marry any warm body, there is always somebody available  :evil:

that's too much of a stretch...
do you imply that young men in FSU are not worth being loved by women and are only good as warm bodies? (some of them are very hot btw )

thank you for supporting my statement though there is always somebody available. I'd say even more - somebody relatively compatible is always available too so russian women don't have to be looking for older men abroad unless they are specifically interested in much older partner.

[Misha]

that's too much of a stretch...
do you imply that young men in FSU are not worth being loved by women and are only good as warm bodies? (some of them are very hot btw )

No, I am implying that if you have low standards it is very easy to get married. If you have higher standards it is a bit more of a challenge. The main complaint that my wife had is that the hot young men in her city were invariably womanizers (along with the not so hot ones as well) and that many others liked drinking a bit too much for her taste. Between the drinking and the womanizing, her choices were limited. She had spent over a year looking, and had not found anybody that she wanted to marry. She even was going to church to pray for God's intervention and for him to send her a husband.

[Ranetka]

I am looking at my age +\- 5 years. Last man I dated for three months was five years younger than me. It was ok, but I would not go any younger, it is not comfortable for me even being hit on by younger guys (but VERY flattering).

I would not consider anyone older.

[mies]

The main complaint that my wife had is that the hot young men in her city were invariably womanizers (along with the not so hot ones as well) and that many others liked drinking a bit too much for her taste. Between the drinking and the womanizing, her choices were limited.

i do not know which city your wife is from so I cannot comment. What i see in the comment of your wife: in her city were womanizers, alcoholics (beginners), and normal guys. For some reason normal guys did not attract her. It does not say anything about the quality of these normal guys. To put it short - either bad boys liked your wife, or she was attracted to bad boys, while normal guys did not appear interesting to her.
Please do not take it as critique. Just a matter of fact.
There were many good guys around me - in my city, and in any city i lived in. Normal - attractive/hot, fit, not drunkards, not womanizers, family-oriented, sweet-nature, funny, well-educated etc etc. I do not believe that there are no good people in some cities, I do believe in selection bias.   

[Blues Fairy]

No, I am implying that if you have low standards it is very easy to get married. If you have higher standards it is a bit more of a challenge.

With my standards, it's a miracle I got married at all. And even better luck that the age difference turned out to be just 5 years and he had no kids.  However, even with kids and greater age difference, I would still have married him.
Men of this caliber are too rare to pass up for such peripheral reasons.

[Doll]

I set my standards regarding age gap- 6-8 years(after I dated older AM) and I married a man 6 years older.

[Sculpto]

What about.. do what makes you happy?

The heart wants what the heart wants.

[Misha]

To put it short - either bad boys liked your wife, or she was attracted to bad boys, while normal guys did not appear interesting to her.

No, you have it wrong. She simply could not find any normal guys that she wanted to marry. She was not interested in bad boys, she wanted a good guy, but had not found what she was looking for. She had very specific criteria: she wanted a man who was tall, very intelligent, kind, not married, not an alcoholic, not a womanizer, well educated and employed. She was not looking specifically for a "hot" guy, but certainly would not have turned one down if he had fit the other criteria, but she was looking for marriage and not a series of one-night stands. Her problem is that she wasn't finding any men who fit her list of what she wanted in a husband. She lives in  a city that has a reputation of being a "город невест." 

[Misha]

There were many good guys around me - in my city, and in any city i lived in. Normal - attractive/hot, fit, not drunkards, not womanizers, family-oriented, sweet-nature, funny, well-educated etc etc.

So, if you don't my asking then, if there were so many good men, why were you not in a relationship with a local guy? Immigration is stressful, would have been a lot easier to marry one of the many good guys around you.

[ambach123]

I think two people must have common goals, and common interests. Age may or may not be a factor. You can find a compatible person of any age.

In my experience, the one thing that frightens most FSU women is ability or inaibility to find acceptable work in USA. The educated women are scared of working at the Wal Mart.
Many seek out " financially stable" men, who can support them. Such men invariably are older. This fact is not lost on them. Read their profiles, this word is often mentioned.

Finding a girl in FSU is the easy part, making a marriage work is the difficult part. There are two things that will break the marriage, one is if she can't find suitable work, and the second if she can't find solution to her social isolation.

Most FSU women do realize this and look for a man who can support them in more than one ways.

This is not universal, there are many women who are content to be hostesses in restaurants, or work in hair salons, and do not seek older men. Ever been to the local Wal Mart, and the Stop and Shop? Almost every time I go, I find a Russian girl at the check out; brought here by AM. How do I know? Often I chat with them and I ask. She has to stand on her feet for eight hours, at near minimum wages. Invariably she would ask " is this what I came here for? ".

In USA, two income families are the norm, not many young people can survive on one income.

My advice to OP, look at your situation, try to figure out what the girl wants and whether you can provide her with that. Do not look at age as the primary factor. Listen to the woman carefully, she would tell you exactly what she wants. FSU women are very direct. If you don't have what she wants, she will trade up, regardless of any age. Don't ever underestimate the determination of a FSU woman in her attempts to make her life better. Chances are she would not be with  you fpr long, going to work in a shop, age not withstanding.

[Doll]

There are two things that will break the marriage, one is if she can't find suitable work, and the second if she can't find solution to her social isolation.

There are much more things, not two.

[aventino68]

aventino what is it with you and your usa obsession? virtually nobody is obsessed with usa in Russia, you just have some kind of deep sitting inferiority complexes toward that country or something. A woman in love will follow her man to the end of the world, and hong kong is definitely NOT the end of the world. I think you are just making excuses as to why you are talking to women who are old enough to be your daughters.

Aloe, that's not the case at all. I will chat with anyone who is looking for what I am looking for in life. On EM I have had about 20 women in their 30's tell me they are looking to a future partner in the USA and no-where else. Are they all liars? And if what you say is correct then someone in their late 30's will come along and be happy to move to where ever I am. So far they have not. So do I turn down someone who is interested in me and wants what I want in life because of the age gap or not. Most of the great girls I meet maturity wise could easily be 5 or 10 years older. The age isn't an issue with me, I just want to find someone I gell with who wants to travel and have kids and do the sporty stuff I do.

This far I haven't found one over 35 yet.     

[mies]

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[Show Time]

So at 33, I shouldn't be looking at the 18, 19, 20 year-olds?  LOL!

Wow, it seems this question is a common thread amongst alot of discussion groups.  IMHO, I think the question is more of parity than actual age.  Within reason, of course. 

Personally, I've set my "target" range from 25 to 35.  Granted for me to seriously consider dating someone who's 25, they'd have to really have a clear direction in life as far as family, career, etc.  I know I was still partying at that age.

Here is where most guys on this board are going to think I'm absolutely nuts.  I actually prefer a woman to already have children.  It's the best of both worlds.  T-ball, gymnastics, and NO DIAPERS.  I kind of like the idea of a "ready made family". 

Question:  Is "ready made family" more or less offensive than "mail order bride"?

I say less.

[Gator]

It is harder to have "saturated" relationship with anyone in large age gap

The term "saturated" is an interesting descriptive term.

I am not sure that I understand it.  The term would apply if there are just two people in a "soulmate" relationship.  Adding children changes much of their life together.  Husband and wife assume different roles that do not fully overlap.  Complementary roles, yes, but not overlapping.  Then there are times when a man and woman need time apart.

[Gator]

Ever been to the local Wal Mart, and the Stop and Shop? Almost every time I go, I find a Russian girl at the check out; brought here by AM. How do I know? Often I chat with them and I ask. She has to stand on her feet for eight hours, at near minimum wages. Invariably she would ask " is this what I came here for? ".

Ambach, much of your post shows that you are beoming wiser about RW.  Regarding your comment above, you need to consider what the WAlmart RW cashier was doing in the FSU.  Perhaps the same if not worse.

[Misha]

Often I chat with them and I ask. She has to stand on her feet for eight hours, at near minimum wages. Invariably she would ask " is this what I came here for? ".

She should have come to be with the man she loved. If she is not happy and thinks that life would be better in Russia, she always has the option of returning home. Sorry, I have little patience for those who want to be martyrs. There are always options in life, and doing nothing and whining is the easy way out.

[mies]

The term "saturated" is an interesting descriptive term.

I am not sure that I understand it.  The term would apply if there are just two people in a "soulmate" relationship.  Adding children changes much of their life together.  Husband and wife assume different roles that do not fully overlap.  Complementary roles, yes, but not overlapping.  Then there are times when a man and woman need time apart.

I did not know what would be the English equivalent so i used direct translation from Russian "насыщенные". Насыщенная жизнь - most likely be "full life" or "live life to the fullest". In the relationships - I am not quite sure what is soul-mate. Philosophy makes distinction between "soul" and "spirit" (knowledge, aspirations, transformative activity, etc), then there is also "body". For me being a spirit-mate is the most important in relationship. Then comes body. Then soul. For my soul I have God. My spirit and my body that need partner during life.
My understanding of "saturated" - when people open different spheres of their lives to each other. It may be slightly in contradiction to your idea of gender roles. Of course I do not expect my husband to bear and give birth to a child. But i expect him to participate actively with his part of contribution to everything that is child-related. Not just giving money and kissing baby in the morning and evening, if you see my point. Though I am not very sure if I want a child yet, I may not be the "mother type" of a woman. My husband on the other hand looks very much like "good father" type. So we'll see how it works out. When I will have a child - i'll offer you an update on this topic ;-)

[OlgaH]

Ambach, much of your post shows that you are beoming wiser about RW.  Regarding your comment above, you need to consider what the WAlmart RW cashier was doing in the FSU.  Perhaps the same if not worse.

Gator,

below is a post by a Russian woman. Same thing in US too.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9588.msg183948#msg183948

Russian doctors have to pass USMLE exams, if I'm wrong please correct me. If you worked as a teacher in Russia you can not just come to a school in US and apply for a job. How fast a Russian professor without good knowledge of English can find a suitable job in US?  

It also depends on location where a woman lives, her ability and ability and willingness of her husband to help her, and financial situation...    

[mies]

In my experience, the one thing that frightens most FSU women is ability or inaibility to find acceptable work in USA. The educated women are scared of working at the Wal Mart.

when i read ideas like this, i start thinking that *some* men want to get best woman only to destroy her life. Going to Russia to find young, beautiful, university educated, and refined woman, bring her to USA and make her work in WalMart.

[Sculpto]

Why are you picking on Walmart.. my Mom worked at Walmart.. My grandma worked at Walmart.. Walmart is good.

^  JOKE!

Russian speaking people I know in the Bay Area tend to work in high tech, biology, medicine, a lot in real estate... and not a few in my field.. I know of at least 3 K and B showrooms owned by Russians...

and downtown Macys has a number of gorgeous Russian speaking ladies working in cosmetics and I have heard there are many Russian women that work in the various day spas and salons.

[mies]

How would you feel if you (with all your artistic and not tame nature) will be "persuaded"/required to work on a factory operating molds machine? or staying on a molds line checking for defects and manually picking out the defected ones?

My point is - men rarely tell on forum boards "my RW is a salesgirl in supermarket/store in her native town".
When man tells "woman should be ready to work in WalMart if she loves me" - this is sick approach, perverse romanticism if you will.

[BC]

Why are you picking on Walmart.. my Mom worked at Walmart.. My grandma worked at Walmart.. Walmart is good.

^  JOKE!

Russian speaking people I know in the Bay Area tend to work in high tech, biology, medicine, a lot in real estate... and not a few in my field.. I know of at least 3 K and B showrooms owned by Russians...

and downtown Macys has a number of gorgeous Russian speaking ladies working in cosmetics and I have heard there are many Russian women that work in the various day spas and salons.

Then what the heck are we doing flying halfway around the world instead of looking in our own back yard??

[Doll]

Then what the heck are we doing flying halfway around the world instead of looking in our own back yard??

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