Pt 2- What would you pay?

[BC]

Since I'm not in this for the money, I don't mind having a large staff to ensure my clients have a successful visit.

As far as IMBRA, I believe I was one of the first to require it with my clients and I'm not sure what other agencies are in compliance with it, But I can assure you my office is.

Heck, if that is the case, why not just declare your organization as not for profit and not even require the IMBRA questionnaire..  A little altar in the corner and you're all set.

If you're not making any money, I really question your sanity.  Gotta be nuts to stick with this type of business and put up with all the crappola involved.

I'd rather see you take off the halo.

[myrddin]

I take it you don't want to name the service?

What sort of claims did they make and how did you first justify paying a the added expense?

This was years ago, before online dating was as ubiquitous as it is now.  I'd call it the folly of youth, but I don't know if I'm out of that phase yet  . 

Basically, I didn't meet many women by any means at the time and that situation seemed unlikely to change.  I was pretty much sold on the idea that there would not only be interest before a physical meeting, but the odds of finding "the right one" would dramatically increase because of the pre-screening.  If I had to decide if love was more important than money, it was no contest.  The cost was spread out over time and didn't look quite as bad as the lump sum (I knew better, but I pretty much bought the pitch.  And the receptionist was smokin' hot, but that's never clouded my judgment.... Ahem.)

When the western websites we know did become more popular, there didn't seem to be a dramatic difference in those early meetings between the methods.  Possible it was slightly better with the matchmaking service, but not enough to justify the cost.  Later, I first met my now ex-AW on one of those less expensive websites, and our initial connection was better than anyone I'd met any other way (up to that point).


These two approaches probably do typically have different markets.  Nowadays I simply don't understand why someone would delegate much beyond the initial selection process.  If he doesn't have time for that, how would he have time for a real relationship?   

I wouldn't go the expensive matchmaker route again.

[Kevin]

Heck, if that is the case, why not just declare your organization as not for profit and not even require the IMBRA questionnaire..  A little altar in the corner and you're all set.

If you're not making any money, I really question your sanity.  Gotta be nuts to stick with this type of business and put up with all the crappola involved.

I'd rather see you take off the halo.

I would love to set it up as a non-profit but I can't figure out how for Ukraine. I do have it setup as a corporation and I don't take a dime from it.  Anyone has any ideal on how to setup nonprofit in Ukraine send me a email office line.  I don't believe that would affect the IMBRA requirements though.

Anyone who knows me or my agency understand that I do it for the children. www.khersongirls.com/chlidren and I have plenty of money from my US companies that I own. 

But I do agree, sometimes I wonder myself why I'm still doing it.  Then I just take a moment and look at the engagement pages and children pages on my site. 

[Admin]

I would love to set it up as a non-profit but I can't figure out how for Ukraine. I do have it setup as a corporation and I don't take a dime from it.  Anyone has any ideal on how to setup nonprofit in Ukraine send me a email office line.  I don't believe that would affect the IMBRA requirements though.

Anyone who knows me or my agency understand that I do it for the children. www.khersongirls.com/chlidren and I have plenty of money from my US companies that I own. 

But I do agree, sometimes I wonder myself why I'm still doing it.  Then I just take a moment and look at the engagement pages and children pages on my site. 

>>I don't believe that would affect the IMBRA requirements though.<<

Yes, it would. It would result in exemption from IMBRA.

Reference IMBRA 833(e)(4)(B)(i) - http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=14#par_e_4_B_i

>>Anyone has any ideal on how to setup nonprofit in Ukraine send me a email office line<<

Yes, I know how to do that, but I don't think I'll be sending you anything.

>>Anyone who knows me or my agency understand that I do it for the children.<<

On the surface, it sounds very magnanimous. Out of curiosity, what was your response to the reporter who claimed you are exposing those children to potential abuse?

As far as IMBRA, I believe I was one of the first to require it with my clients and I'm not sure what other agencies are in compliance with it, But I can assure you my office is.

Well . . . don't you ALSO publish a website that purports to list "honest agencies"?

Isn't it true that (at least) one of your listings there belongs to a site that openly encourages Americans to use his agency to "circumvent" IMBRA, thereby violating US law?

Do you consider that to be an appropriate action of an "honest agency"?

BTW - upthread you indicated you have no ability to get a background check in Ukraine. That strikes me as odd. I know I have gotten background checks performed through official channels in Ukraine and it is a very simple process. Costs a few bucks and results in a report with their findings.

- Dan

[Kevin]

Dan
"Yes, I know how to do that, but I don't think I'll be sending you anything."
Didn't expect any help from you on this site that is designed to help people"

What reporter are you referring too? Is it the one who wrote this? *Unapproved Link*

DAN IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST SUCH COMMENTS HAVE THE BALLS TO POST WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND LINKS WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR TEXT FROM. OTHERWISE I HAVE TO CONSIDER IT JUST A LOT OF BS. OTHERWISE I HAVE NO IDEAL WHAT YOU ARE TEXTING ABOUT.

You can use a company to do a investigation on a lady. But this isn't a service that we offer and the cost of $200-$400 per lady is beyond any agency requirements. If a guy believe he needs a lady investigated. Then the men should do it.

I guess I'm now going to be fully banned from this forum for talking back to Dan.

Kevin

>>I don't believe that would affect the IMBRA requirements though.<<

Yes, it would. It would result in exemption from IMBRA.

Reference IMBRA 833(e)(4)(B)(i) - http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=14#par_e_4_B_i

>>Anyone has any ideal on how to setup nonprofit in Ukraine send me a email office line<<

Yes, I know how to do that, but I don't think I'll be sending you anything.

>>Anyone who knows me or my agency understand that I do it for the children.<<

On the surface, it sounds very magnanimous. Out of curiosity, what was your response to the reporter who claimed you are exposing those children to potential abuse?

Well . . . don't you ALSO publish a website that purports to list "honest agencies"?

Isn't it true that (at least) one of your listings there belongs to a site that openly encourages Americans to use his agency to "circumvent" IMBRA, thereby violating US law?

Do you consider that to be an appropriate action of an "honest agency"?

BTW - upthread you indicated you have no ability to get a background check in Ukraine. That strikes me as odd. I know I have gotten background checks performed through official channels in Ukraine and it is a very simple process. Costs a few bucks and results in a report with their findings.

- Dan

[Sculpto]

Kevin.. on different topic..

Does you agency engage in the use of "bait mails".. a simple yes or no will do.

[Kevin]

What is a bait mails?
Please give me an example if you believe my agency is using it and explain to me what it is?

The only emails my agency sends out is our weekly news letters to member who selected Yes to receive them. 

Kevin.. on different topic..

Does you agency engage in the use of "bait mails".. a simple yes or no will do.

[Sculpto]

What is a bait mails?
Please give me an example if you believe my agency is using it and explain to me what it is?

The only emails my agency sends out is our weekly news letters to member who selected Yes to receive them. 

I guess you dont remember the "intro letter" emails I was getting AFTER I quit your site AFTER you kicked me out of your yahoo group for complaining about OTHER agencies... I finally had to complain directly to you for it to stop and I still got one after that. 

[Admin]

Dan
"Yes, I know how to do that, but I don't think I'll be sending you anything."
Didn't expect any help from you on this site that is designed to help people"

What reporter are you referring too? Is it the one who wrote this? *Unapproved Link*

DAN IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST SUCH COMMENTS HAVE THE BALLS TO POST WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND LINKS WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR TEXT FROM. OTHERWISE I HAVE TO CONSIDER IT JUST A LOT OF BS. OTHERWISE I HAVE NO IDEAL WHAT YOU ARE TEXTING ABOUT.

You can use a company to do a investigation on a lady. But this isn't a service that we offer and the cost of $200-$400 per lady is beyond any agency requirements. If a guy believe he needs a lady investigated. Then the men should do it.

I guess I'm now going to be fully banned from this forum for talking back to Dan.

Kevin

>>Didn't expect any help from you on this site that is designed to help people<<

Your expectations aside - RWD provides an unprecedented level of assistance and resources. We publish the Agency Code of Ethics at our CMA site.

We produced the first ever credible study of Cross-Cultural Marriage and Divorce.

We published Men of the West, Women From the East - the most up-to-date and definitive resource of its kind available anywhere.

AND . . . RWD is the largest, most vibrant, highest-quality forum in this particular niche that has ever existed.

There is no question that RWD helps people Kevin. In the process, we are very likely to dispell the 'mystique' that some agencies like to throw up as a smokescreen to convince more people to use their services. RWD offers a treasure trove of information that enables people to make vastly improved decisions - and we have been doing it for a number of years now.

That you would "expect" something different is . . . odd, to say the least. Well, it would be odd for any rational logical person without an agenda.

Oh - and Kevin - while it must have escaped you, it is not the role of RWD to provide you free consulting assistance with forms of business in Ukraine.

>>What reporter are you referring too? Is it the one who wrote this? *Unapproved Link*<<

Kevin - when you first posted that link, you saw that it was identified as an "*Unapproved Link*". You then modified your message so as to circumvent the protections of RWD. In doing so, you violated the RWD Terms of Service. Then, when you didn't receive the immediate attention you demanded, you posted it again. Your account is now in Moderated status and all future posts will require intervention before being made public.

>>You can use a company to do a investigation on a lady. But this isn't a service that we offer and the cost of $200-$400 per lady is beyond any agency requirements.<<

You can also file a simple form requesting a background search from official channels and it will take a few dollars and a few days - certainly within the reach of someone who claims to "have plenty of money from my US companies that I own."

>>DAN IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST SUCH COMMENTS HAVE THE BALLS TO POST WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND LINKS WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR TEXT FROM. OTHERWISE I HAVE TO CONSIDER IT JUST A LOT OF BS. OTHERWISE I HAVE NO IDEAL WHAT YOU ARE TEXTING ABOUT.<<

Kevin - it is not up to me to police the internet for things written about you. I reported that I recently came across an article expressing a view. I was not expressing agreement with that view - in fact, in an earlier topic I reported that I was aggravated at the reporter's suggestion that you are exposing children to pedophiles. I simply wanted to know your response. Apparently, you are not aware of the article. If I happen to come across it, I will consider posting a link here - though it was not at all favorable or kindly toward you and your agency.

>>I guess I'm now going to be fully banned from this forum for talking back to Dan.<<

No, but your account is now in Moderated status for intentional and repeated violation of the Terms of Service - just as I would do with anyone else Kevin.

Kevin - why did you not answer my earlier question about one of your "honest marriage agencies" listings belonging to someone who intentionally promotes violation of US Law? Are you also unaware, or are you again 'closing your eyes' to the unethical behaviors?

- Dan

[Admin]

Dan
Why did you delete my responce to your posting as admin?   I didn't believe it when other posted that you would.

Kevin

Kevin,

You will note that your post is now restored, sans the *Unapproved Link* you posted.

As for why I temporarily removed the post - as follows:

* I have a family, and I enjoy them.
* Sometimes, like today, when I return from a week out of town, I prioritize spending time with my family.
* In those few instances where someone decided to create problems at RWD and I do not have the time right then to attend to their childish shenanigans, I make no apology for sidelining a post until it is convenient for me to 'deal' with it - and that is exactly what happened here.

Cheers!

- Dan

[Daveman]

Getting back to the original question... I would be willing to pay for a service which does introduce me to ladies with whom I'd have a higher chance probability of compatibility.  Why in the hell pay whatever it is, $75 per introduction to begin the process?  I'm not talking about weeding out scammers and the like. I'm talking about the personality compatibility tests.  Sure, people can give false answers, but why would they?  It would be beneficial for both the men and women to answer honestly.  Of course, it's to the agency's benefit to have the guy meet all the ladies rather than to narrow it down so a I decent fee for the service could offset that aspect.  I don't see it as being lazy, but more along the lines of, why meet/communicate with 20 social butterflies if I'm a social recluse? Yeah, Sure I can ascertain that info myself at the meeting, after paying a $75 fee, for the date, for whatever, when it would have been so incredibly easy to strike these women off the potential meet list in the first place. Just a more logical playing field from the outset, IMO.  Still doesn't negate the need for mutual attraction, time, growth, etc..

I'd spend something like $500 (which should include the first 5 or 10 meetings) or so to join an agency who would conduct such tests, give me a list of ALL ladies who fall within a certain match percentage, and let me take it from there.  

Unlikely to happen though as long as the bread and butter for an agency is in the communication and meeting phases.

[Sculpto]

"If you put as much time in helping your clients instead of attacking other agencies maybe you wouldn't be such as scam site. "

Anyone know who said that?

[ECOCKS]

What would be the reaction to a site which charged the women $2000 to be listed after a background check and interview as to intentions?

[Sculpto]

I think it is quite relevant to discuss the information on this link.

http://www.khersongirls.com/matchmaking.htm

[Wraith]

Wow! This thread turned into an interesting read. Certainly wasn't expecting it to turn into a pro-agency/anti-agency debate/discussion/tirade yada...yada...yada.

What is relevant about that link, Sculpto? I read it as an introduction package initiated by the male client based upon women he chooses from Kevin's site. I agree "matchmaking" is a very misleading word to be used here though as it isn't so much a matchmaking service but rather a service which the client chooses the women, the women are interviewed to determine if there is any interest on their part, and introductions are offered based on the results? Did I miss something there?

[Sculpto]

Wow! This thread turned into an interesting read. Certainly wasn't expecting it to turn into a pro-agency/anti-agency debate/discussion/tirade yada...yada...yada.

What is relevant about that link, Sculpto? I read it as an introduction package initiated by the male client based upon women he chooses from Kevin's site. I agree "matchmaking" is a very misleading word to be used here though as it isn't so much a matchmaking service but rather a service which the client chooses the women, the women are interviewed to determine if there is any interest on their part, and introductions are offered based on the results? Did I miss something there?

You are getting my point exactly Wraith.  Here is the "hero" of "honest agencies" with an entire page calling his service matchmaking.  Well, it isn't!  Isn't what they are offering there exactly what an agency is supposed to do anyway?  But there they are offering it for an increased price.  That is the distinction I have been trying to make for the last three days.  Maybe I am dense and can't communicate but I would really like to know what qualifies this agency to be a matchmaker, yet, the Russian language ones I posted are completely ridiculed.  Are there any psychologists on staff?  Is there anyone with anything to qualify them as matchmakers?  Wait, they aren't really matchmaking at all.. are they?

I am not going to be shy about the fact the Kevin and I disagree on a lot of things.  I tried real hard to use his agency but nothing ever came of it.  Didn't waste the money that I did elsewhere.. but.. he didn't have anyone I was interested in corresponding with.  But, it was odd that once I quit I suddenly started getting letters of interest.  And the guy says he doesn't know what "bait mail" is.. gimme a break..

By the way.. what I quoted above.. thats Kevin..

[Wraith]

You are getting my point exactly Wraith.  Here is the "hero" of "honest agencies" with an entire page calling his service matchmaking.  Well, it isn't!  Isn't what they are offering there exactly what an agency is supposed to do anyway?  But there they are offering it for an increased price.  That is the distinction I have been trying to make for the last three days.  Maybe I am dense and can't communicate but I would really like to know what qualifies this agency to be a matchmaker, yet, the Russian language ones I posted are completely ridiculed.  Are there any psychologists on staff?  Is there anyone with anything to qualify them as matchmakers?  Wait, they aren't really matchmaking at all.. are they?

I am not going to be shy about the fact the Kevin and I disagree on a lot of things.  I tried real hard to use his agency but nothing ever came of it.  Didn't waste the money that I did elsewhere.. but.. he didn't have anyone I was interested in corresponding with.  But, it was odd that once I quit I suddenly started getting letters of interest.  And the guy says he doesn't know what "bait mail" is.. gimme a break..

By the way.. what I quoted above.. thats Kevin..

Hmmm...sure, the site is offering introduction services. Yeah, the word "matchmaker" doesn't fit the service. He isn't, however, advertising the use of a any psychologist nor even stating the ladies are screened by one. All the questions that are asked of the ladies are printed in black and white for you to read and if I remember you can add one or two of your own to that list.  His staff isn't doing any of the choosing keep in mind as the client chooses those ladies who interest him the most. The office contacts those ladies to see if those ladies are interested in the male client and then merely ask fairly basic questions I think a lot of men might ask of a lady.The answers the ladies provide are forwarded to the client. The client makes his decision based upon what he reads from the interviews.

The increased price includes increased services his office provides for arranging meetings, accomodations while in Ukraine, telephone and translation/interpreter services, and transportation to and from airports which I guess a simple introduction service doesn't have any obligation to provide. Kevin's agency does and bundles it all up in a nice and neat little package.

I think you are reading too much into the word "matchmaker" on his site even though I do agree it can be misleading. Simply reading the entire page and even a simpleton will understand it is just an introduction package and nothing more. Of course, I could be wrong there.

I also have used/use Kevin's site and have enjoyed it. I admit I do not use it quite as much as I used to though and I have correspondended with some nice women. I am not going debate the "bait mail" idea though. I do feel anyone in the business as long as he has been does know what the term means. I will ask though if you did use any of his membership services there, Sculpto? Once you purchase a membership service your "net profile" floats to the front of his client catalog and refreshes with each subsequent month you stay in the membership plus having your profile translated and a hard copy sitting on the table in office but I can't explain why you had such difficulty in getting everything removed.

I think Kevin does most of his own web admin work. I have helped him solved several little php problems in the past. Maybe he just needs a solid IT guy on staff, assuming he doesn't have one, or a new one if he does. I don't know 

[facetrock]

  People paint the term " matchmaker" with a broad brush. To me a matchmaker is a person that finds you a wife without you ever laying eyes on the woman before hand.
   First, if you think you need a matchmaker before you go to the FSU you have no business being there. Second, if you cant tell a womans true intentions after meeting her and feel you need a background check on her its obvious you havent spent enough time with her,or you just dont know jack about women. Another reason why you shouldnt be in the FSU.
  Some of you guys and myself included have used interpreters and an agency. How many of you have asked the agency or terp if they knew any women they thought you would like? I am sure they tried to help but I dont think that makes them a matchmaker, they just gave you an opinion, but some men think that is matchmaking.
  I think men show up at Kherson girls to meet one or several women and when it goes south for them, I guarentee you they are asking the office help and terps advice on who they should meet next. Not even close to matchmaking in my opinion. Its kind of like asking your sister in law if she has any friends that would like you.

[kievstar]

I think the problem is that personal legit matchmaking would be more than 5,000 usd a man for an agency at first but once men failed and bad press got out the business would be over.  So I would charge 15,000 usd a man and including 1,000 usd upfront nonrefundable for a background check to be done plus interview on what league the guy thinks he can date in compared to him.  If the guy is unrealistic or troubled background he would not be accepted and $1,000 usd would be lost. 

But this 15,000 usd would be unlimited meetings with women including ones not in the agency for 2 years.  Have 6 clients a year and focus the attention on them.  Also, provide hundreds of hours for translation services for free. 

But I am not sure you would find one man to do the above.  When it comes the agencies, letter writing is the way to go.

EM did something like this above for 10K or 15K.  There most be someone on RWD who did this since it appears everybody uses EM. 

[BC]

If you pay, pay for success.

[Daveman]

  People paint the term " matchmaker" with a broad brush. To me a matchmaker is a person that finds you a wife without you ever laying eyes on the woman before hand.
   First, if you think you need a matchmaker before you go to the FSU you have no business being there. Second, if you cant tell a womans true intentions after meeting her and feel you need a background check on her its obvious you havent spent enough time with her,or you just dont know jack about women. Another reason why you shouldnt be in the FSU.
  Some of you guys and myself included have used interpreters and an agency. How many of you have asked the agency or terp if they knew any women they thought you would like? I am sure they tried to help but I dont think that makes them a matchmaker, they just gave you an opinion, but some men think that is matchmaking.
  I think men show up at Kherson girls to meet one or several women and when it goes south for them, I guarentee you they are asking the office help and terps advice on who they should meet next. Not even close to matchmaking in my opinion. Its kind of like asking your sister in law if she has any friends that would like you.

I disagree with the bold part, but do agree with most of the rest.  I guess the first step word be to get a clear definition of "matchmaker"..  I agree that the term is certainly ambiguous.

I define a matchmaker as someone who introduces people based on some form of criteria in which the two will have a higher likelihood of being compatible, as opposed to meeting blindly.

To me, it is still merely an introduction service but one based on probability.   Personality traits and interests can be measured and "matched".  This is quite different from a service of finding someone a "wife" sight unseen. That last idea as a service seems bizarre to me.

It could be argued that if this type of personality matching is some form of "laziness". It could also be argued the use of any introduction agency whatsoever is also laziness -- why not just go and find them on the street or other various real time real life venues? Of course, some here have done actually that whether planned or blindly tripping over them  .

The key in any of this is more or less making use of available tools which *assist* in the search for the special someone. 

Would I want someone to find me a wife? Nope.  Would I love the opportunity to meet only ladies which have a 70%, 80%, 90%+ personality match in this search without weeding through hundreds to find them? You betcha...

[Kevin]

I guess you dont remember the "intro letter" emails I was getting AFTER I quit your site AFTER you kicked me out of your yahoo group for complaining about OTHER agencies... I finally had to complain directly to you for it to stop and I still got one after that. 

A intro letter is a letter from a lady who has read your profile and wanted to introduce herself to you.  The same option is given to the men to send a intro letter to the ladies. It is a free letter from the lady.

These letter are for people who have account on my sites. In your case I hadn't had time to delete your profile. But it was a legit letter from a lady.

Kevin

[ECOCKS]

It seems like a big part of the problem is this nebulous term, matchmaker. My vision of this function is, as mentioned upthread, something your best frind's GF/spouse does when you're divorced and trying to get her BF/husband to hang out with you late nights or the old woman from Fiddler on the Roof.

Whether you have personal experience or are Hollywood-educated on the subject, it seems that most of us work with the picture that matchmakers try to put people together who would seem to be compatible and have complementary traits that would make things work out well for the long haul.

If applied, practical matchmaking is considered more as increasing the odds that there are no scammers, the gals are healthy, they honestly represented their English and interests, they understand how far away they would move, the timing and visa process was already known and so on, does that seem to add value to the process?

[Admin]

DAN IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST SUCH COMMENTS HAVE THE BALLS TO POST WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND LINKS WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR TEXT FROM. OTHERWISE I HAVE TO CONSIDER IT JUST A LOT OF BS. OTHERWISE I HAVE NO IDEAL WHAT YOU ARE TEXTING ABOUT.

Well, Kevin has decided to Opt-out of RWD and will not be replying - but so that no-one is under the mistaken belief I was 'blowing smoke' with my comments about reading an article accusing Kevin of exposing children to abuse, I am attaching the PDF of an article prepared by 'The POPPY Project' and published in March 2009. They are a UK-based organization funded by the British government. Here is an excerpt taken from the Home Page of their website:

"The POPPY Project was set up in 2003. It is funded by the Office for Criminal Justice Reform (reporting to the Ministry of Justice) to provide accommodation and support to women who have been trafficked into prostitution."

The particular section I was referencing in my question to Kevin is found on page 21 of the report, and states the following:

Some sites, while not explicitly linking the images of the women and children, also feature links to other children’s “charities” or projects. When a man has been browsing images of women he can “buy,” and is then met with images of similarly vulnerable children, it is reasonable to believe that a feeling of what he sees, he can purchase, may prevail.

Kherson Girls, a site specialising in women from Ukraine, features the “Kherson Girls Children fund⁶⁰”. According to the website, “One can not live in the country without feeling sad for the children”. Photos are available of the children, who seem to range in age from five to perhaps 13 or a bit older, although ages are not indicated. One photo shows a young girl who appears to be about six or seven years old on the shoulders of a ‘volunteer’ man from the west, with a caption that reads “These children are very precious⁶¹”. There is also a link to the fund’s children’s centre, for those aged nought-four years. Several photos are available of these children as well; the vast majority appear to be under two years of age. The project for street children includes a spreadsheet of boys and girls, their photos, ages, names, family history and any medical needs. Most children’s family members are listed as ‘dead’, ‘alcoholic’, ‘abusive’ or ‘unknown.’

These children are not portrayed as being “for sale,” so to speak, but their vulnerability is highlighted and their proximity to the mail-order bride profiles is concerning.

So you see, I did, in fact, read a recent article (publication, actually) that made some very nasty inferences toward Kevin and his agency. I would have imagined that Kevin knew about such an article, but based on his response here, I now suppose he did not.

This publication of The POPPY Project is one of a spate of recent articles/petitions that seek to further restrict men in this pursuit. Witness this initiative (http://humantrafficking.change.org/actions/view/close_the_international_marriage_broker_regulation_act_matchcom_human_trafficking_loophole) to direct a petition to Tahirih Justice Center imploring them to seek expansion of IMBRA.

As an aside, I held a lengthy meeting with Tahirih in one of their Virginia associates law offices in April. I will have more to report on that meeting, and subsequent actions/directions soon.

Ed (ECOCKS) - I apologize for interrupting your topic here. It seems Kevin became offended over an exchange he and I were having in PM, and it spilled over into your topic.

- Dan

[Show Time]

What would I pay?

Well I guess that depends on what I'm paying for.  I want the agency to have personally met with the lady.  This means she has come in to their office.  She has conducted a recorded interview.  She has been asked:

Do you fully understand what this means?

Do you realise that if you marry a western man, life is going to be very different?  Both good and bad?

How's your English (Spanish, German, Polish, French, etc.)?  Let's here you speak in it for the camera.


In return, I would go through the same process on my end.  Heck, even throw in the background check, employment verification, etc.

Then give me access to your dating site.  A virtual free-for-all.  Think yahoo, match, etc.  Let the adults act like adults.  If I want to meet someone, then sure, I'll even use your service to set up the travel arrangements.  Taxi from airport, lodging, etc.  That would be a separate cost, of course.

But just for the website access plus the assured prescreening, I'd be willing to go $2500 per year.  Payable monthly, with the option to leave anytime I like.  Just to keep the agency honest.