One woman's opinion of Elena's models

[MatryoshkaMan]

I asked one nice woman who seems very sincere (and who I met on Elena's) to tell me what her experience was there and you might find this interesting:

"You were curious to know how EM site works for women. Ok, this isn't so
nice as it seems to be. Believe it  or not but only 10% of men are serious there. The rest
are players, writers, sexual maniacs and perverts. This may sound awful but I have got many requests to send my naked pictures, arrange erotic chat and some other dirty
propositions. Here is something you need to know about EM. Girls have free membership
there but on the other hand, they MUST answer all the letters from ALL the men which
are interested to communicate. Men pay for their membership and they don't want to be
refused. If a girl ignores a man, this maybe considered as an unethical behavior
and her profile will be suspended. This is why I had to work hard to send polite "no" answers to many men to avoid offending them. But how should I react if 60 years old guy proposes me to fall in love with him? I am not a scammer and I am not interested in his money. Besides, he is old enough to be my Grandfather....The answer is: who is that man? old idiot or maniac? I am a member at EM for about 3 months already but there were only about  10 men which really seemed to be serious although I've got more than 300 interest  expressions! So, there are not many nice men there and only 3 of them go on writing me. I hope, you don't mind me telling you the truth. They write me but we don't speak about meeting in person still. This is why I am not sure if our communication will develop to something more serious".

Yikes! We think we have it rough. These women need full body battle armour to enter this world!

[janic]

No surprise for me. Got similar statements from several FSUW and what I learned in reading Boards and communicating with WM made me many times shake my head and in several cases it made me seriously ill and outraged.
IMO 80-90% of WM are absolutely not to be seriously considered for partnership and some of them should be put behind bars or stoned in public. There are so many LDB's and sickos out there that many times the worst RM appears to be a prince on a white horse when compared to these guys. 

[ECOCKS]

Allowing for the slight possibility that it has changed in the last couple of years (which I doubt), this simply isn't true.

No woman MUST respond to every letter.

Certainly, the women are subject to getting hit on by the "players" out there but that is every site, not just EM.

Something is wrong with the absoluteness of her statement.

[Gator]

To echo Ecocks, EM publishes on each woman's profile the Expression of Interest Response Rate.  Many RW have responded less than 100% of the time.

Most women want to have a 100% rate because it encourages more men to write, and within that dark herd could be Mr. Right.

What is so difficult about a woman answering: "Thank you for the EOI; however, I am not interested.  Good luck with your search."

10 serious men out of 300 EOIs is 3% not 10%.  Her math is bad.  That percentage seems low considering that men have to pay at least $100 to join EM.   

Perhaps your correspondent had seductive photos to elicit so many sexual overtones.   All RW get a few of these, but a high number?

The fact that only 3 of her 10 serious men continue to write is what I would expect.  Now how many of the 3 will make the trip?  This is not easy for the RW or the AM.  To think otherwise is naive.

 

[Lily]

As a RW with some experience at EM, I second the opinions of ECOCKS and Gator, and I think that this woman is either an uncredible source, or just have been exceptionally unlucky with EM.

I stayed at EM for about a few months, and have read all conditions and options available to me. Of course no one obliges you to answer all mails. Your rate of replying is clearly shown in percentage. My guess is that if and when this rate becames very low, then it may occasionally have some consequences for a woman member.

The male population seems to be rather serious and overall decent. The level of every member varies, of course, but I cannot think of a single sexual innuendo from male members, even an implicit one.

Additionally, EM has a service desk where a woman member can ask questions, or express concerns about anything on the site. I used it twice, and got informative replies in both cases. One of my questions was, for instance, whether a woman member can have the same contact options as a man, if she pays. They said no to me, however. The EM policy is that men can chose, whereas a woman can only be chosen.

Nevertheless, I noticed that EM has one loophole for women to use. When I open a male profile for the 1st time, EM first shows me a page where his basic data is shown like whether he has been convicted for something bad, is divorced or widowed, stuff like that, and his address. If I jot down his address or print it immediately, I get in my hands a great possibiity to google his phone, or just send him a snail mail, and therefore leapfrog the barrier that EM supposes for men to overcome with cash. Not sure if women use this option.

[jdk1963]

The EM policy is that men can chose, whereas a woman can only be chosen.

Sounds more like buying a car! 

[Faux Pas]

Additionally, EM has a service desk where a woman member can ask questions, or express concerns about anything on the site. I used it twice, and got informative replies in both cases. One of my questions was, for instance, whether a woman member can have the same contact options as a man, if she pays. They said no to me, however. The EM policy is that men can chose, whereas a woman can only be chosen.

Lily, when I was a member at EM, I had maybe 10-12 women that contacted me. According to your experience that might not be possible. How do you account for that happening?

[MatryoshkaMan]

I had a lot of unsolicted emails from women there, so women are free to contact men if they choose. Also I don't think women are obliged to correspond with men even after a "yes" to EOI. I had a few who said "yes" but when I wrote a letter back I got the "she cannot return your interest. Good luck" canned reply or sometimes no answer at all.

So I think it is a pretty fair fight. Actually at first I was surprised at how many negative reponses I got to  EOI's...usually from the total babes granted..he he.

The women who wrote to me (posted above) has only 1 photo on Elena's and it is not seductive at all. Just a normal shot on the street, torso up. Not even really smilng. Nothing to attract the lunatics and pervs..altough she is young (26) and quite pretty. This much is obvious from the photo.

[Lily]

Lily, when I was a member at EM, I had maybe 10-12 women that contacted me. According to your experience that might not be possible. How do you account for that happening?

By getting contacts, do you mean getting just general EOI's or meaningful customized letters from a particular woman?

In the latter case, do you receive some notification that there is a letter for you from the woman, and in order to read it, you have to pay? In other words, you may leave her letter unopened?

[Lily]

 One of my questions was, for instance, whether a woman member can have the same contact options as a man, if she pays. They said no to me, however. The EM policy is that men can chose, whereas a woman can only be chosen.
 

I have to correct myself, my statement especially with 'only' is too harsh.

I should have probably said, 'EM prompts women to react to every man, whereas men do not have to react to every woman'. My bad, sorry.

[Gator]

The women who wrote to me (posted above) has only 1 photo on Elena's and it is not seductive at all. Just a normal shot on the street, torso up. Not even really smilng. Nothing to attract the lunatics and pervs..altough she is young (26) and quite pretty.

Before you said she is 26, I thought it might be this woman:

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=4307009

Why?  In her personality she writes that she is "ready to intercourse."

Or this woman,

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=6383482

who wrote in her Personal message, "I am kind, merry, love intercourse..."

But these two women are much older than 26.  Why don't the younger women like intercourse?

[Lily]

Gator - 

Poor ladies don't even suspect what they have written

[Blues Fairy]

Poor ladies don't even suspect what they have written

And neither did some of Jane Austen's characters. 

[OlgaH]

And neither did some of Jane Austen's characters.  

 

Not long time ago I was rereading The Analects by Confucius in English translation . Now I'm puzzled. What did old and wise Confucius actually mean talking about intercourse with friends and others?  

[Faux Pas]

By getting contacts, do you mean getting just general EOI's or meaningful customized letters from a particular woman?

In the latter case, do you receive some notification that there is a letter for you from the woman, and in order to read it, you have to pay? In other words, you may leave her letter unopened?

Lily it has been a while and my memory is suspect at times but, I seem to recall getting both. I received some letters which counted as a "contact" towards my agreement with EM. There would be a warning that appeared after clicking on the letter that stated as much. I don't recall if it was the same for EOIs. I don't think it was until I sent a letter back. There was also a screen that asked me to acknowledge receiving an EOI or a letter from a lady which also constituted a "contact". I think I had 50 contacts for $150 and renewed for 50 more contacts at a cheaper rate from a offer they sent in email, $99 for 50 more or something like that.

 But I do distinctly remember receiving both EOIs and emails from ladies unsolicited. Which is contrary to what you are saying was told to you by EM, if I understood you correctly.

[myrddin]

By getting contacts, do you mean getting just general EOI's or meaningful customized letters from a particular woman?

In the latter case, do you receive some notification that there is a letter for you from the woman, and in order to read it, you have to pay? In other words, you may leave her letter unopened?

I recall receiving a few actual e-mails from particular ladies unsolicited as well. 

I did open those letters, though it would have been possible to leave them unopened.  I don't think I paid to open them but my memory may be failing me on that.

[Faux Pas]

I recall receiving a few actual e-mails from particular ladies unsolicited as well. 

I did open those letters, though it would have been possible to leave them unopened.  I don't think I paid to open them but my memory may be failing me on that.

I received a number of them, don't remember exactly how many but I didn't suspect that they were sent by anyone other than the ladies themselves. Quite the contrary with some other agencies that seem to do some mass emailing of ladies to my email. At EM I was pretty sure they were directly from the ladies as I recall a couple mentioned items in my profile. Of course someone else could have looked and wrote it on their behalf but again, it didn't appear that way.

In any event if what Lily is saying it true, this couldn't be the case, could it?

[SANDRO43]

Not long time ago I was rereading The Analects by Confucius in English translation. Now I'm puzzled. What did old and wise Confucius actually mean talking about intercourse with friends and others?  

Intercourse
noun
1- communication or dealings between or among people, countries, etc.; interchange of products, services, ideas, feelings, etc.
2 - sexual intercourse

No.1 above, since Analect, contrary to common expectations,  has NO sexual overtones at all :

Analect
1. a fragment or extract from literature.
2. a collection of teachings

[Sculpto]

The male population seems to be rather serious and overall decent. The level of every member varies, of course, but I cannot think of a single sexual innuendo from male members, even an implicit one.

I think that makes you the exception Lily.. I don't mean specifically for EM, but, in general.  Every lady I corresponded with at some point complained about the pervert men.

same contact options as a man, if she pays. They said no to me, however. The EM policy is that men can chose, whereas a woman can only be chosen.

This is one reason I do not understand why ladies join agency sites.  Doesn't it make you feel like a piece of meat?

[OlgaH]

No.1 above, since Analect, contrary to common expectations,  has NO sexual overtones at all :

Oh, thank you Sandro, it is such a relief   

[bobb]

The first woman I corresponded with and met was from EM back in 2003.  She was honest and sincere.  In the following two years I corresponded with several others but never made it past the three letter stage.  My fiance wrote me a letter to get my attention last year on EM.  Elena Petrova who started EM no longer owns it, from what I remember reading some time ago.  Another site, affiliated and begun by Elena Petrova which she still participates in, at least according to the contact info is: 

http://www.womenrussia.com

where a lot of valuable information is available.  There is page called Russian Women Glossery:

http://www.womenrussia.com/glossary.htm

The description at the top of this page:

"I noticed that men often struggle with interpreting terms in Russian women's personal profiles. There are two major reasons for that:

   1. Women mean something different when they use a term
   2. Women use an incorrect term

Usually women do not know English well enough, and just pick up words out of dictionary; and having many variants often choose a wrong one. Another thing is that some words have a definite meaning in Russian, and women do not bother to check if they have the same meaning in English. Also, some expressions have a different meaning because of differences in cultures and life standards.

Below you will find explanations of the most common mistakes in terms used by Russian women in their profiles."

Intercourse is just one of many words explained on this page.

[JR]

I am on EM now and recieve one to three unsolicated letters each week. Currently there is no limit to open or send letters.

[Lily]

Lily it has been a while and my memory is suspect at times but, I seem to recall getting both. I received some letters which counted as a "contact" towards my agreement with EM. There would be a warning that appeared after clicking on the letter that stated as much. I don't recall if it was the same for EOIs. I don't think it was until I sent a letter back. There was also a screen that asked me to acknowledge receiving an EOI or a letter from a lady which also constituted a "contact". I think I had 50 contacts for $150 and renewed for 50 more contacts at a cheaper rate from a offer they sent in email, $99 for 50 more or something like that.

 But I do distinctly remember receiving both EOIs and emails from ladies unsolicited. Which is contrary to what you are saying was told to you by EM, if I understood you correctly.

Fax Pas, I relate to you in the sense that it was a time ago and I cannot remember all the EM's features correctly. What I am trying to say is that it is not about an option to contact as such. For sure I could scroll down the men's profiles and contact them. No complains about lack of contact options. However, the options to reply to a received contact are different for men and women. As I said eariler in my correction, I had to react, otherwise it would be immediately visible in my response rate. Positively or negatively, but I had to. On the contrary, a man could just neglect my EOI or a letter that I wrote to him, if I truly find something amazing in his profile and was hoping that my letter does not leave him indifferent.

This is one reason I do not understand why ladies join agency sites.  Doesn't it make you feel like a piece of meat?

I don't think that I ever feel like that. That makes me rather sad, that's it. Is there any difference for EM who is paying, men or women? For them, I was a potential paying client.

[Faux Pas]

Fax Pas, I relate to you in the sense that it was a time ago and I cannot remember all the EM's features correctly. What I am trying to say is that it is not about an option to contact as such. For sure I could scroll down the men's profiles and contact them. No complains about lack of contact options. However, the options to reply to a received contact are different for men and women. As I said eariler in my correction, I had to react, otherwise it would be immediately visible in my response rate. Positively or negatively, but I had to. On the contrary, a man could just neglect my EOI or a letter that I wrote to him, if I truly find something amazing in his profile and was hoping that my letter does not leave him indifferent.
 

Could you contact men without them contacting you first?

[Lily]

Yes I could, that's what I actually did. Some men however did not reacted in any way at all.