One woman's opinion of Elena's models

[Simoni]

Errrr... groov... did you mean to say that out loud?  I was thinking it but didn't want to offend any members with a response.

Who, me?  I'm not a dirty old man.

Well, maybe dirty but not old! :-)  LOL

[MatryoshkaMan]

Hot news flash! She has been chatting a lot with a guy from eastern canada and have already progressed to daily phone calls. He is 29 and she is into him. I just saw his video (he owns a company and had an interview on this website) and he is a good catch for her. Just a couple of days ago he wrote her 20+ emails/elena's mails in one day. But she says he is logged into Elena's very often so she knows he is chatting with at least a few other women. She keeps saying "there is a lot of sexy girls there..." as if she fears she does not measure up. I am hoping that this guy is serious about her. She offered to send me some of his letters but I declined. Oh and she said she suspended her Elena's profile, don't know if it was for this guy or she was sick of all the 50+ year old men writing to her.

[Lily]

MM, I keep my fingers crossed for this woman!

I am curious, what makes you think that he is serious about her?

So he is from Canada. If the woman is in Russia, how does she feel about immigrating independently? Canadian embassy in Russia processes much quickier than their colleagues in Ukraine. The Ukrainian federal skilled workers immigrants wait for years

[MatryoshkaMan]

Lily she is from Dnipropetrovosk, Ukraine. She really seems to have a hate on for Ukraine. She does not want to date the local men and I can see that she is eager to say "da sveydanya" to the place. It is strange but I get the distinct impression that Ukrainian women are far more wanted to move away from their country than Russian women are - especially the big city girls. I can understand, they live in big bright exciting cities and they are concerned about moving to some dull hicksville town in the US or Canada where they will just sit and rot. Having been to Europe 5x I know that for many life there is more exciting and up-tempo. I have thought many many times how to find a way to move to Europe myself.

[Simoni]

It is strange but I get the distinct impression that Ukrainian women are far more wanted to move away from their country than Russian women are - especially the big city girls.

There is no need for me to make the comparison between the two countries.  But I can say that I have lived in Dnepropetrovsk for extended time periods over the last five years, and I don't see this at all.  My then gf and now wife has many friends that are very happy in Dnepropetrovsk, and would not leave it for the world.  They vast majority admire what she did, leaving the country and city she loved, but could never do it themselves.

It took my wife almost three years to finally come to the talking point that we are better off here in south florida than she was in Dnepr.

[Sculpto]

I actually think the ladies with the "hate Ukraine" or wherever they are from attitude is something of a colored flag.  To me it means there is baggage or an ulterior motive.  I always moved on when i heard that.

[Turboguy]

When I went on Jack's tour a few years ago we were in 5 cities in Ukraine and I have been to a number of others on my own.   One of the cities on the tour was Zaparosia.  When I was there I remember thinking I didn't know how anyone could be happy living there.   Another on our tour was Dnepropetrovsk.  The city seemed so nice that I recall thinking I didn't know how anyone would want to leave it.   I think their eagerness to leave could vary some on where they live. 

[Sculpto]

When I went on Jack's tour a few years ago we were in 5 cities in Ukraine and I have been to a number of others on my own.   One of the cities on the tour was Zaparosia.  When I was there I remember thinking I didn't know how anyone could be happy living there.   Another on our tour was Dnepropetrovsk.  The city seemed so nice that I recall thinking I didn't know how anyone would want to leave it.   I think their eagerness to leave could vary some on where they live. 

I can understand that.. but leaving to go to Kiev or some other capital is very different than taking the extreme of leaving the country.  Thats why it was a red flag for me.  Desperation is not an attractive quality and can hide ulterior motives.

[Missouri-Hunter]

If I can throw a noobie statement in here, maybe the old guy/young girl doesn't seem out of line because lots of the ladies profiles say they're looking for "up to 99" years old (which I think means they left it at the default number).
    I know I was chastised a bit for having mine set with the low end 15 years younger than me, but I looked at it as not limiting the options because I included up to my age. I didn't look only at the younger ones, but didn't rule them out. 

[Daveman]

If I can throw a noobie statement in here, maybe the old guy/young girl doesn't seem out of line because lots of the ladies profiles say they're looking for "up to 99" years old (which I think means they left it at the default number).
    I know I was chastised a bit for having mine set with the low end 15 years younger than me, but I looked at it as not limiting the options because I included up to my age. I didn't look only at the younger ones, but didn't rule them out. 

15 years is pretty normal for these marriages.  It would seem logical that an age of (arbitrary pulling number out of popka) say 8 years or less would make understanding each other a little easier as you'd tend to have more in common in age related ways, but love is love. If the lady is crazy about you, and you about her, and you fit together, that's when age becomes much less of a factor...  all IMO and subject to change without notice...

[myrddin]

She really seems to have a hate on for Ukraine. She does not want to date the local men and I can see that she is eager to say "da sveydanya" to the place.

On reading that bit, my first thought was "red flag".  It's one thing to be unsatisfied with local dating prospects, but it sounds like leaving the country could be her primary goal.

[myrddin]

 One of the cities on the tour was Zaparosia.  When I was there I remember thinking I didn't know how anyone could be happy living there.   Another on our tour was Dnepropetrovsk.  The city seemed so nice that I recall thinking I didn't know how anyone would want to leave it.   I think their eagerness to leave could vary some on where they live. 

I can understand that.. but leaving to go to Kiev or some other capital is very different than taking the extreme of leaving the country.  Thats why it was a red flag for me.  Desperation is not an attractive quality and can hide ulterior motives.

Dnepr is my favorite city in Ukraine, I agree it's nicer than Zap.  That could affect an honest woman's willingness to leave, but it sounded like there was eagerness to leave the country, not just the city. 

Even if the lady's not on a mule hunt, throwing up a lot of negativity could be its own flag.  That sort of thing often comes from inside and can't be fixed by relocating.

[MatryoshkaMan]

When I went on Jack's tour a few years ago we were in 5 cities in Ukraine and I have been to a number of others on my own.   One of the cities on the tour was Zaparosia.  When I was there I remember thinking I didn't know how anyone could be happy living there.   Another on our tour was Dnepropetrovsk.  The city seemed so nice that I recall thinking I didn't know how anyone would want to leave it.   I think their eagerness to leave could vary some on where they live. 

I know Zap pretty well, I was there for 6 weeks in 2000 and also passed through in 2007 on my way to Berdyansk. Yes it is not especially an attractive city but its industrial squalor and looming nuclear reactors has its own kind of charm. I found it very excotic, especially since I was there through the depth of winter. Hortistsa (sp?) island was cool and the cossack museum was very well done. Never been in Dnipro only passed through on the train so I don't know it at all.

[2tallbill]

When I went on Jack's tour a few years ago we were in 5 cities in Ukraine and I have been to a number of others on my own.   One of the cities on the tour was Zaparosia.  When I was there I remember thinking I didn't know how anyone could be happy living there.   Another on our tour was Dnepropetrovsk.  The city seemed so nice that I recall thinking I didn't know how anyone would want to leave it.   I think their eagerness to leave could vary some on where they live.  

Bill's Off topic comment
I was in Dnepropetrovsk late December early January. It was a nice city, but I remember the
cold wind off that frozen river.

[BillyB]

I asked one nice woman who seems very sincere (and who I met on Elena's) to tell me what her experience was there and you might find this interesting:

"You were curious to know how EM site works for women. Ok, this isn't so
nice as it seems to be. Believe it  or not but only 10% of men are serious there. The rest
are players, writers, sexual maniacs and perverts. This may sound awful but I have got many requests to send my naked pictures, arrange erotic chat and some other dirty
propositions. Here is something you need to know about EM. Girls have free membership
there but on the other hand, they MUST answer all the letters from ALL the men which
are interested to communicate. Men pay for their membership and they don't want to be
refused. If a girl ignores a man, this maybe considered as an unethical behavior
and her profile will be suspended. This is why I had to work hard to send polite "no" answers to many men to avoid offending them. But how should I react if 60 years old guy proposes me to fall in love with him? I am not a scammer and I am not interested in his money. Besides, he is old enough to be my Grandfather....The answer is: who is that man? old idiot or maniac? I am a member at EM for about 3 months already but there were only about  10 men which really seemed to be serious although I've got more than 300 interest  expressions! So, there are not many nice men there and only 3 of them go on writing me. I hope, you don't mind me telling you the truth. They write me but we don't speak about meeting in person still. This is why I am not sure if our communication will develop to something more serious".

Yikes! We think we have it rough. These women need full body battle armour to enter this world!

While Lily may have had a more positive experience with EM, the woman you spoke of could in fact have the exact opposite experience. Big agencies rely on small feeder agencies for new faces. Rules for ladies who want a  profile there may change depending on what feeder agency they're dealing with. Cash per letter is a big motivator so women could be forced to write a letter back to perverts even if it's a short "no". Does EM encourage or ignore the business strategy of smaller agencies?

Much good has been said about EM but two posters through a PM in the past told me based on women they talked to, things aren't so rosy behind the scenes at EM.

[Stix]

MM, your friend has every right to be disgusted after receiving advances from a dirty old man 36 years her senior - if it's any consolation to her, he'll find what he's looking for if he's willing to spend enough $, and that's when he'll wish he'd stuck to hitting on his peers.

If she doesn't want to be with someone that old she should certainly pass; but what's "disgusting" about a large age difference? They are both legal.

Sorry for the long absence-I've actually been to Odessa and back and will post a trip report as soon as I put all my thoughts together.

[groovlstk]

If she doesn't want to be with someone that old she should certainly pass; but what's "disgusting" about a large age difference? They are both legal.

I don't know about you, but if I was getting hit on by a grandmother in her late 60s when I was a 20 or 30-something, I would be pretty disgusted (and probably amused, but that's just me).

The woman the OP refers to clearly states her age preferences in her profile:

She states a maximum age of 40 yet she has had men as old as 67 sening her letters & EOI's. She just turned 31.

I could care less if it's legal or offends the sensibilities of the deluded, it's disgusting to me.

[Sculpto]

I could care less if it's legal or offends the sensibilities of the deluded, it's disgusting to me.

why, who cares?  Why is it your business anyway?

[groovlstk]

why, who cares?  Why is it your business anyway?

Why don't you re-read the entire thread so that you can see the relevance of what I'm saying, rather than doing your usual toke-and-post your irrelevant nonsense?

[Sculpto]

Why don't you re-read the entire thread so that you can see the relevance of what I'm saying, rather than doing your usual toke-and-post your irrelevant nonsense?

blow off Groov.. I haven't had a toke in well over a month.  You have probably had more beers this year than I have lit up a bowl.  I asked you a specific question.. why is it ANY of your business what two people do?  Why are you so judgemental?

[BillyB]

I haven't had a toke in well over a month.  You have probably had more beers this year than I have lit up a bowl. 

Any guy using drugs need to tell RW you're communicating with of your habits and let them decide if you're their type of man. Sculpto, have you told your lady of your use and acceptance of drugs? If so, what was her reaction?

[GQBlues]

Sculpto, have you told your lady of your use and acceptance of drugs?

I think Sculpto is a greedy man so chances are he hasn't.  

As addiction would have it, I quit smoking around the time I got married. But when I arrived in Moscow and met those women, almost all of them smoked (except for one) despite their profiles saying they didn't. When the women found out I smoked, you should see how their faces lit-up like a Christmas tree and you can almost hear the angels sing as they joyously light up and burn one down with you ASAP.

Aw Gawd! I sure miss that one cigarette after sex...

[groovlstk]

I asked you a specific question.. why is it ANY of your business what two people do?  Why are you so judgemental?

The OP stated that his female friend was disgusted by the old geezers who wrote her in spite of the fact she stated 40 as the maximum age she was looking for. Earlier, several men went out of their way to laughingly point out that this same woman's desire to have a man within 10 years of her age were pipe dreams. I happened to sympathize w/this woman and understand her disgust. Whether or not you have other sentiments is irrelevant to me, if so write your own response rather than question mine without bothering to read the context.

Nowhere in my post do I condemn "two people" and what they do in regards to their age differences. If you bothered to read the entire thread you would understand the context.

[BillyB]

when I arrived in Moscow and met those women, almost all of them smoked (except for one) despite their profiles saying they didn't.

I think the agencies put the women up to lying about their smoking habits. I've noticed the % of women smoking when I was in the FSU a much larger % than what we see in profiles.

Sculpto, I don't know if you will answer my question or not but my good advice to you is if you haven't done it already, tell your lady you use drugs and don't make excuses or downplay it by telling her all the wonderful medical benefits you're getting from them. Let her decide if she can accept it. You two already invested over  a year for each other and about to go on a months trip in Mexico. Why waste anymore time and money if you two are different people or if she can't accept one habit of yours?

Certain things such as strange or harmful habits should be disclosed early on when communicating with a RW. Hopefully she's honest with you too. It doesn't matter if you smoke, drink, do drugs, like to wear women's panties, or like to hog tie your woman to a bedpost and have her squeal like a pig as you mount her, tell her the truth. It's to your benefit to get rid of incompatible women and find one who likes your style.


I remember a guy saying he knew a RW for over a year and met a few times. Everything was wonderful and they had plans to marry until they talked about children. She wanted some and he couldn't have them. Game over and time wasted when this stuff should have been disclosed in correspondence before a meeting.

[rambler]

There was a comment about Quality Assurance on EM

The Welcome page of this site (RWD) features Elena 38
http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=13465&goto=planetlove

She is suspended.  I didn't raise any questions about her but emails to me just said

LETS MEET

ELENA

Maybe admin should change the link to someone else.

Rambler