Re: Wife split!

[Gator]

Air2007 registered on July 11 and has not visited RWD since July 12.  Perhaps Air is a troll as others have suggested. 

How many men here would have a joint bank account with so much money in it (and making little interest if typical of most bank accounts)?  It does not pass the smell test.

[kievstar]

Gator, I think your right.  But maybe he took someones advise on this board and threatened her and she called his bluff with real RM.

[Doll]

How many men here would have a joint bank account with so much money in it (and making little interest if typical of most bank accounts)?

Quite a few if "here" is this country

[KenC]

The money will not be included and her actions will not considered fraud. She will return to the USA but not for the hearing.
I am not being mean to the OP- this is what her logic would say.

Doll,
You are wrong.  It the sole discretion of the divorce judge only.  And logically the funds would be included in the marital estate.
KenC

[BC]

Doll,
You are wrong.  It the sole discretion of the divorce judge only.  And logically the funds would be included in the marital estate.
KenC

Kinda agree with Doll on this.. What's in the checking account is spending money.  I don't think a judge is going to touch that subject.  The amount is irrelevant IMHO.

Lets say same happens to a couple that has $100.00 in their joint account.. he or she takes it all before divorce is even a subject.. think a judge is going to count 50 bucks as marital property? - or even as mentioned up-thread try to put a block on an overseas account?.. yeah righto.. LOL

Joint does not necessarily mean 50/50.

In the business world there are usually contractual rules regarding spending from a business account.. something like checks have to be signed by two parties,  or other criteria.  The contract then rules.  Unless there was some kind of underlying agreement limiting withdrawals there probably ain't a darn thing he can do.

[ConnerVT]

BC, you absolutely correct - $100.00 from a joint checking account wouldn't even register a blip on the radar.

But the OP spoke about $194,000.00 worth of transactions.  I'm sure that was a substantial percentage of the marital assets.  Followed by her actions after these transactions, there is little doubt that the intent was to prevent any US judge from controlling the distribution of these assets.

Judges don't like when others take away their powers...

[Faux Pas]

BC, you absolutely correct - $100.00 from a joint checking account wouldn't even register a blip on the radar.

But the OP spoke about $194,000.00 worth of transactions.  I'm sure that was a substantial percentage of the marital assets.  Followed by her actions after these transactions, there is little doubt that the intent was to prevent any US judge from controlling the distribution of these assets.

Judges don't like when others take away their powers...

Well stated.

[BillyB]

BC, you absolutely correct - $100.00 from a joint checking account wouldn't even register a blip on the radar.

But the OP spoke about $194,000.00 worth of transactions.  I'm sure that was a substantial percentage of the marital assets.  Followed by her actions after these transactions, there is little doubt that the intent was to prevent any US judge from controlling the distribution of these assets.

Judges don't like when others take away their powers...

The amount of $ is probably irrelevant whether it's $100 or $200,000. Wife blows $100 day before divorce on some drugs or wife blows $200,000 on big party in Moscow. Wife puts $100 or $200,000 in her purse and she is robbed. Money gone. If the money or assets aren't there to split up, the judge can't make some ruling to split stuff that may or may not exist.

Husbands have been known hide money and assets from wives before a divorce too. Wife can't come in court with words to say husband is in possession of $200,000 worth of money or assets without proof it exists and is available for the judge to split up between the couple.

The OP is going to get a divorce and his wife is not going to show up. Judge will award him all remaining assets. He wins in court although he's already lost. Unless it's a crime to take money out of a joint bank account without permission from the other spouse, there will be no warrant for the wife's arrest if she ever comes back to America.

[KenC]

The amount does matter in relationship to the total assets to be split.  I had to account for every transaction over $10K for the 18 month period prior to filling my first divorce.

Unless it's a crime to take money out of a joint bank account without permission from the other spouse, there will be no warrant for the wife's arrest if she ever comes back to America.

  While this may be true, I am sure that conspiring to hide assets to avoid appropriate distribution is a fraudulent act.  Only because of the circumstances will this money not be considered as part of the marital estate.
KenC

[2tallbill]

The amount of $ is probably irrelevant whether it's $100 or $200,000. Wife blows $100 day before divorce on some drugs or wife blows $200,000 on big party in Moscow. Wife puts $100 or $200,000 in her purse and she is robbed. Money gone. If the money or assets aren't there to split up, the judge can't make some ruling to split stuff that may or may not exist.

There are quite a number of laws on the books about cash over $10K to prevent money laundering etc.

Saying she was carrying $200 K in her purse then she was robbed, wouldn't be a very good story. She would need the paper trail that would have to exist. What she was taking the money out for,
The withdrawal itself, a timely police report etc. otherwise she might spend some time in jail for
perjury and pissing off the judge. If she filed a scam police report she poses a whole slew of problems. Cops that are involved in investigating $200k thefts are experienced detectives and they would cross up her story a thousand ways.

I think you were right originally that she took the money and is forever gone.

 

[Doll]

The amount of $ is probably irrelevant whether it's $100 or $200,000. Wife blows $100 day before divorce on some drugs or wife blows $200,000 on big party in Moscow. Wife puts $100 or $200,000 in her purse and she is robbed. Money gone. If the money or assets aren't there to split up, the judge can't make some ruling to split stuff that may or may not exist.

Which I said more than one time.
There is nothing to spliiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! Also, I am 99% sure the money was transferred to somebody else's name, not hers.
So I am most likely right, Ken.  In a human logic the money was taken before the wife left - that's true. But guess what? The court will do what the law says and it says that any account holder can withdraw money any time, and what is spent before the divorce is filed is not a fraud or any doubtful actions. It looks like that was fraud but "looks like" is not the law.
 Then this 125 can be just a half. How do we know? What is the woman was fair and took 50% or 30%?
The divorce is not filed so there is nothing to talk yet.
 

[2tallbill]

The amount does matter in relationship to the total assets to be split.  I had to account for every transaction over $10K for the 18 month period prior to filling my first divorce.  While this may be true, I am sure that conspiring to hide assets to avoid appropriate distribution is a fraudulent act.  Only because of the circumstances will this money not be considered as part of the marital estate.
KenC

I didn't read the entire thread (just the last few posts) and I am wading in here not knowing
anything that was stated earlier

There could be other ramifications as well. If the money was income deposited, or deposits on work
yet to be done or taxes collected but not been paid yet, then it could possibly open another Pandora's box of fraud or evasion issues.

It would be easy to imagine a business person having 100k + in the bank to cover current
obligations.  

[KenC]

Which I said more than one time.
There is nothing to spliiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! Also, I am 99% sure the money was transferred to somebody else's name, not hers.
So I am most likely right, Ken.  In a human logic the money was taken before the wife left - that's true. But guess what? The court will do what the law says and it says that any account holder can withdraw money any time, and what is spent before the divorce is filed is not a fraud or any doubtful actions. It looks like that was fraud but "looks like" is not the law.
 Then this 125 can be just a half. How do we know? What is the woman was fair and took 50% or 30%?
The divorce is not filed so there is nothing to talk yet.
 

No, Doll, sorry but you are still wrong.
The divorce judge does have the power to look back in history as to the movement of marital assets.  If he should suspect foul play, he can impose corrective measures in his final distribution of assets.  The "judgement" of the divorce judge is very far reaching and can only be challenged if he did not follow legal procedure properly.  Most of these judges are NOT stupid (despite claims otherwise) and would see through this simplistic snatch and grab and promptly put back the $200K into the marital pot.
KenC

[BillyB]

Money laundering, hiding assets, fraud are all possibilities. So is the possibility that she gave the man great sex for months and he promised she could wire the money to Russia to open a business. Maybe he made a this promise before marriage as a way to encourage her to live with him? Men have been know to attract FSU women with money. Maybe he promised her this money in return for marriage for so many years and after that she's free to stay or go and now he's bitter because she's gone? He shouldn't be talking with her now but I suspect deep down in his heart he still wants her back.

Who knows? But it'll be a sad day when judges start convicting people based off another person's words. He say/She say should not be allowed in court. She won't be around to tell her side of the story but it is a possibility he gave his blessing to wire the money to the FSU. She's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Also divorce court isn't criminal court. If the OP thinks she scammed him, he will have to go to court a second time to prove it.

[Doll]

 While this may be true, I am sure that conspiring to hide assets to avoid appropriate distribution is a fraudulent act.

Let's think of the situation- there is nothing (formally) about the divorce, the wife didn't say she was going to divorce Air, they talk on the phone. Nothing close to court and distribution.
My husband spent 70.000 last week- withdrew from our joint account. What's illegal in his actions? What "long look" would a judge take at these actions?
None.

[KenC]

I didn't read the entire thread (just the last few posts) and I am wading in here not knowing
anything that was stated earlier

There could be other ramifications as well. If the money was income deposited, or deposits on work
yet to be done or taxes collected but not been paid yet, then it could possibly open another Pandora's box of fraud or evasion issues. It would be easy to imagine a business person having 100k + in the bank to cover current
obligations.  

Good post and good points, Bill.
KenC

[KenC]

Let's think of the situation- there is nothing (formally) about the divorce, the wife didn't say she was going to divorce Air, they talk on the phone. Nothing close to court and distribution.
My husband spent 70.000 last week- withdrew from our joint account. What's illegal in his actions? What "long look" would a judge take at these actions?
None.

Of course you are correct Doll, if there is no legal action taken on behalf of the OP.  I was assuming that he would be filling for divorce or that some of the circumstances Bill mentioned were in play.
KenC

[Doll]

The divorce judge does have the power to look back in history as to the movement of marital assets.  If he should suspect foul play, he can impose corrective measures in his final distribution of assets.

Ken, in THIS VERY case the judge will have nothing to look at- there will be no wife on the hearing, the money is gone by now and as far as I know there is no agreement between Russia and the USA about any stuff like splitting the property, helping the divorce court or something like this. He has the power but nothing to use it for. Russian banks are not reachable and I think the money in not on her account now. If somebody wants to hide it he will think of everything.
Ken, you're right but not in the case of "overseas"

[Doll]

Money laundering, hiding assets, fraud are all possibilities. So is the possibility that she gave the man great sex for months and he promised she could wire the money to Russia to open a business. Maybe he made a this promise before marriage as a way to encourage her to live with him? Men have been know to attract FSU women with money. Maybe he promised her this money in return for marriage for so many years and after that she's free to stay or go and now he's bitter because she's gone? He shouldn't be talking with her now but I suspect deep down in his heart he still wants her back.

Who knows? But it'll be a sad day when judges start convicting people based off another person's words. He say/She say should not be allowed in court. She won't be around to tell her side of the story but it is a possibility he gave his blessing to wire the money to the FSU. She's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Also divorce court isn't criminal court. If the OP thinks she scammed him, he will have to go to court a second time to prove it.

100% agree

[KenC]

Ken, in THIS VERY case the judge will have nothing to look at- there will be no wife on the hearing, the money is gone by now and as far as I know there is no agreement between Russia and the USA about any stuff like splitting the property, helping the divorce court or something like this. He has the power but nothing to use it for. Russian banks are not reachable and I think the money in not on her account now. If somebody wants to hide it he will think of everything.
Ken, you're right but not in the case of "overseas"

Of course the Judge's power is  limited by his jurisdiction.    That was understood by all, except you obviously.  She probably would be safe to steal the money and hide on the moon too.

If the OP took the time and effort to prove his point (that his future ex wife misappropriated martial assets) and obtained a judgement against her, he then can take appropriate collection actions against her should she ever come back in to the jurisdiction in the future.  Even if she has fled the jurisdiction, he could seize any and all of her assets within the jurisdiction in order to settle his claim.
KenC

[Doll]

He can certainly try

[Muddy]

The story doesn't end there. Her and her daughter cashed a check from my business account for $9000.00. Then the credit cards were all maxed out. They bought lots of diamonds - $60,000.00 in jewelryy. There is no way I can ever recover any of it. We had joint accounts!!!
I will tell you that we were very happy together - I never seen it coming!!! She was very good at getting what she wanted.

I talked with her the other day and asked her why? Quote "I'm 46 years old and with this kind of money I can have a great life in Russia. American men are stupid and if you give them good sex they will do anything. My boyfriend waited for me all this time. We are together now. You can do what you want. You were always good to me. I'm sorry."

That US embassy in Moscow told me, "don't feel bad. Nothing we can do. We get these calls every week."

$60000 and $9000 happened in one day? I cannot believe they did it all in one day.
None of the credit card companies called you?
I cannot believe you wife calls a man in her home country all the time from the US and you believed her that he is her cousin.
Never trust Russian/Ukrainian girls, they are worse than american girls in many ways, I cannot believe guys marry these girls and dont even think about installing a keyloger on the home computer to see who they are writing too.

[Doll]

Never trust Russian/Ukrainian girls, they are worse than american girls in many ways, I cannot believe guys marry these girls and dont even think about installing a keyloger on the home computer to see who they are writing too.

[Muddy]

air2007, if you had installed the keylogger you would not be in this mess, but I know some boys here are super simple and think its wrong to do this.
If she uses a computer I bet from the day you married this woman she has been writing and emailing her boyfreindS in Russia and has been writing her family and friends about you and her plans
Make a note of it, I wrote BOYFRIENDS.
I strongly advise every man who is married to a russian/ukrainian girl to do this.

[groovlstk]

air2007, if you had installed the keylogger you would not be in this mess, but I know some boys here are super simple and think its wrong to do this.

Muddy, the "wrong" part is not the act of snooping itself, but the man's failure to bother to get to know the woman he did a K1 for. Unless a guy is paranoid enough to require treatment, any "normal" guy who feels the need for a keylogger on his wife's computer probably has good reason. But that's no excuse for his foolishness.

I know you went through a difficult situation, but I also know that there are some RW who can lie so confidently, unabashedly, and convincingly that it's difficult for a Western mind to believe it.