My RW is coming here to New York

[Sculpto]

Curious about final chapter of this story?? after mans bad behavior!!   brave girl

You expect him to post after Ken's and now your insult?  Hey Al, if you read this.. please DO NOT post! 

[KenC]

You expect him to post after Ken's and now your insult?  Hey Al, if you read this.. please DO NOT post! 

Maybe his Momma can send a note!

[Sculpto]

Maybe his Momma can send a note!

Maybe you should get your own house in order before tossing out your insults?   

[brave girl]

My father is tiffed that I am taking three days off from work (he owns the company), but he will just have to deal with it.

Father OWNER will not let you meet nice Russian girl at airport??
what type of family?? what station of MAN are you I ask!!  brave girl

[Al_C]

Maybe his Momma can send a note!

KenC:  It seems that you are much too immature to post in a messaging board used by adults.  So why don't you delete your account here and go to some place more appropriate to your maturity level like Sesame Street or Romper Room?

From this point forward, I will not respond to any of your posts.

2 reasons:

1.  Your comments are so far beneath contempt that any response gives them more credit than they deserve.

2.  I learned a long time ago to never argue with an asshole because people might not know the difference.

Have a nice life and stay the fuck out of mine!

Father OWNER will not let you meet nice Russian girl at airport??
what type of family?? what station of MAN are you I ask!!  brave girl

Brave Girl:  I assume this post was the product of a momentary mental lapse on your part.  I hope you are better than KenC, but I suppose that only time will tell.

[Seeker]

2 reasons:

1.  Your comments are so far beneath contempt that any response gives them more credit than they deserve.

2.  I learned a long time ago to never argue with an *snip* because people might not know the difference.

Have a nice life and stay the *snip* out of mine!

Well I may be new here, but I am not new to life and the idea of respect.  Al_C, I know as much about you as the rest of the people here, and you have mine.

[KenC]

 
Gee, let me see.  A 52 year old man (?) whom still needs his Momma's approval for a girlfriend, is tied in knots over her meeting his gf, whom is 2 hours late to pick up his gf because his daddy would not ALOW him to go to pick her up.

I do not need nor want your approval.  Go back to nuzzling your momma's teat as any RW with half a brain would run from such a girly man.
KenC

[Sculpto]

Gee, let me see.  A 52 year old man (?) whom still needs his Momma's approval for a girlfriend, is tied in knots over her meeting his gf, whom is 2 hours late to pick up his gf because his daddy would not ALOW him to go to pick her up.

I do not need nor want your approval.  Go back to nuzzling your momma's teat as any RW with half a brain would run from such a girly man.
KenC

you cant resist the temptation can you?  is it a drug? 

[KenC]

you cant resist the temptation can you?  is it a drug? 

2012,
Now that looking for RW has become mainstream in this country, there has been a big uptick in puzzified man children that have been able to sideline their fears enough to actually make a trip over.  There is no big mystery on how to travel and meet women of the fsu.  The "scare" factor has all but disappeared now.  Just because it is much easier to travel and coordinate time in Ukraine now doesn't mean that the expanding male populace is up to the task of wooing, marrying and having a long term relationship with a woman from the fsu.  The many that I have met are strong and dominate women that will eat a timid man for lunch.

It is infinitely easier to do this now than before.  Just because most men can do this does not mean they should.  Before, it was more of a "fly by the seat of your pants" mission, not for the faint of heart.  Now we have 36 yo men crying about being duped by an 18 yo Ukrainian girl.  Some men should not do this.
KenC

[Vaughn]

While I'm normally in accord with KenC, he's managed to rewrite the story. Al_C never implied
he was looking for Mama's approval - he simply wanted his lady to meet his family. His announcement
beforehand was greeted with quiet by his mother. So what?

I wish I had the chance to introduce Elvira to both my parents. Unfortunately, they were both
deceased by the time she arrived.

Al_C also mentioned Dad was "tiffed" about the time Al_C would have to take leave from work.
Never did Al_C say Dad "would not allow him to go pick her up." Al_C ran late, due to poor planning,
not to any restraint by Dad, and he owned up to that fact. Did everyone fail to notice that
Al_C, regarding the father, wrote -

he will just have to deal with it.

Now suddenly he's "parent-whipped"? I don't see it that way. Then again, I'm reading Al_C's words,
and not the adjusted version...

2012,
Now that looking for RW has become mainstream in this country...

Mainstream? Exaggeration - meet Parody.

[KenC]

While I'm normally in accord with KenC, he's managed to rewrite the story. Al_C never implied
he was looking for Mama's approval

With all the posts about tip toeing his way around his momma, I do not think you are correct.  Some excerpts:

My mother, the BIG problem.....Thanksgiving, where my mother's conduct will be suppressed by the presence of the rest of the family, is the perfect place to show her that Elena is not the she-devil she thinks she is......She thinks she is doing me a favor by protecting me from the dangers of the world, not understanding that she is blocking me from the pleasures of the world at the same time
......I announced our engagement to the world immediately upon my return to New York.  My mother flipped out..... I am still keeping my intentions secret.....not telling my mother what I was doing when I was there, even censoring my vacation photos to show only those in which my RW did not appear.

 

and then you say:

Al_C also mentioned Dad was "tiffed" about the time Al_C would have to take leave from work.
Never did Al_C say Dad "would not allow him to go pick her up." Al_C ran late, due to poor planning,
not to any restraint by Dad, and he owned up to that fact. Did everyone fail to notice that

Hmmm.  Yes, Al first blamed his lateness on the trains.

I was stuck on a rush hour train to get to her.

But then the truth snuck out:

Were you ever caught in a crunch at work where you had to be somewhere essential and your company really did not care, insisting that you complete the task they needed you to do

The company is OWNED by his father!
 

My father is tiffed that I am taking three days off from work (he owns the company)

If Al works for his dad's company, then it IS his dad's final decision whether to allow Al to leave to pick up his girlfriend at the airport, is it not?

Now suddenly he's "parent-whipped"? I don't see it that way. Then again, I'm reading Al_C's words,
and not the adjusted version...

There it is again in HIS words.

Mainstream? Exaggeration - meet Parody.

And you do not agree that there is much more information known and available now than 10 years ago?  You do not agree that travel to Ukraine is substantially easier now than 10 years ago?  You do not agree that women in the fsu are now more likely to have access to a computer or their own than 10 years ago?  You do not agree that forums like RWD are not a easy source of information that was not available 10 years ago?  Hmmm.  Think about it.
KenC

[mies]

this is a very strange family.
a 52yo man boasts of how he proved something to his mom in a dialogue, and how he had outsmarted her by keeping meetings secret, and hiding photos.
a 76yo mom tells her son "it's better to be alone, rather than got hurt by a woman"
a (presumably)75+yo  father forbids his son to leave work as planned, and makes him work longer - nevermind that the foreign woman is waiting in the airport. Than he is unhappy that his son took 3 days off. and most interestingly - his 52yo son cares about his father not being happy for him taking 3 days off work.

I do not see how a healthy and independent 48yo RW fits into this scheme.

i am just curious - suppose some sort of an accident happens to this woman while in USA, married to the OP. And she will need his help. And he will be staying at work - because his father did not allow him to leave work?? And he will be staying there as long as it will be needed for work and for his father? 

i agree with KenC

[JR]

this is a very strange family.
a 52yo man boasts of how he proved something to his mom in a dialogue, and how he had outsmarted her by keeping meetings secret, and hiding photos.
a 76yo mom tells her son "it's better to be alone, rather than got hurt by a woman"
a (presumably)75+yo  father forbids his son to leave work as planned, and makes him work longer - nevermind that the foreign woman is waiting in the airport. Than he is unhappy that his son took 3 days off. and most interestingly - his 52yo son cares about his father not being happy for him taking 3 days off work.

I do not see how a healthy and independent 48yo RW fits into this scheme.

Well said Mies, that is pretty much my take on the situation also. When my wife came here I was three hours early to the airport. I kept thinking "what if, what if, what if" and adding more time for screws ups LOL, and I lived in Beverly Hills which is only 30 minutes from LAX.

[facetrock]

I dont think the meeting had a happy ending. If it would have, Al would have been here telling all of us about the success story. Instead he came back to berat KenC for stating the obvious.

[Doll]

The many that I have met are strong and dominate women that will eat a timid man for lunch.

You got it! 

[Doll]

Well said Mies, that is pretty much my take on the situation also. When my wife came here I was three hours early to the airport. I kept thinking "what if, what if, what if" and adding more time for screws ups LOL, and I lived in Beverly Hills which is only 30 minutes from LAX

.
It was January, so when we were to arrive to NY, my husband-to be (or not to be- who knew then!) came to JFK the day before to stay in the hotel to not be late.   

[greg2654]

I don't think the meeting had a happy ending. If it would have, Al would have been here telling all of us about the success story. Instead he came back to berat KenC for stating the obvious.

He's probably busy taking care of his fiance. Why should he post here and have you guys tee off on him? He has MUCH better things to do.

You people are incredible.

Are your memories that short that you've forgotten what happened when YOU told your family and friends that you were going to marry a RW/UW ? The open mouth stares, the long silence. Then the talks on how to help you because you MUST have lost your mind. Have you forgotten this already? And these were the people that truly cared about you. The rest were snickering behind your back waiting for the train wreck they were certain would happen.

He was 2 hours late picking her up. It happens, get a grip. You guys have spun this into something very nasty. It's time to adjourn this kangaroo court.

[KenC]

He's probably busy taking care of his fiance. Why should he post here and have you guys tee off on him? He has MUCH better things to do.

His girlfriend was here from 11/20 to 11/28.

You people are incredible.

Are your memories that short that you've forgotten what happened when YOU told your family and friends that you were going to marry a RW/UW ? The open mouth stares, the long silence. Then the talks on how to help you because you MUST have lost your mind. Have you forgotten this already? And these were the people that truly cared about you. The rest were snickering behind your back waiting for the train wreck they were certain would happen.

If you are not man enough to face up to what lies ahead, don't do it.  Yes, I clearly remember the times I introduced my Russian girlfriend and I did it proudly without fear of what anyone else thought.  I certainly did not tip toe around my family's opinion as it was the relationship with her that mattered most.

He was 2 hours late picking her up. It happens, get a grip. You guys have spun this into something very nasty. It's time to adjourn this kangaroo court.

You may better reread the facts kind sir as it is much more than just that.   Sorry for stating the obvious.  If a man needs to be molly coddled here, he has no place in pursuing this venture.
KenC

[Mars]

There is some truth to both views here.  I also berated OP somewhat for not being on time, etc.  And very early on I advised him to NOT have his mother meet with his gal as it was unfair to the gal.

However, perhaps we have gone a bit overboard now in beating up on the OP.

His treatment is a good reason why men are becoming more and more reluctant to post their TRs, which is a net loss to the readership here.

We need to let people post their TR without criticism.  Perhaps another thread later for the criticisms after the TR is done.

[greg2654]

You may better reread the facts kind sir as it is much more than just that.  

No, anything more than that is what people were spinning into it. Reassuring his mother that he knew what he was doing is not tip toeing around his family. His father got upset that he was taking time off to be with her and he told him to bug off. All other assertions were added.

[facetrock]

  His father made him work his ass off all day so he would be late and Al let him get away with it! Can you imagine what was going through the womans mind while she is sitting at the airport wondering if anyone will ever show up?
  Then he whines how he doesnt want to lose his job. He makes it sound like his father the owner will fire him because he wants off early to go to the airport to meet the woman that could possibly be his wife. WTF? .
   And we have dear old mother who thinks he should stay alone for the rest of his life so he doesnt get hurt.
  Al, your 52 and still worried about what your mother thinks of the woman you date? Grow a set please.
It is so easy to see that Al has been coddled and controled by his parents his whole life' but who know maybe his parents do know better and its best for all involved.
  Both of my parents are alive and know what I am doing, my three daughters know what I am doing, my freinds know what I am doing and I have told all of them I could give a crap what they think of it.
  This isnt for everyone and anyone that lets his family control him as much as Al does should give up. Go try EHarmony or something. 

[brave girl]

You people are incredible.

Really?
Are there real man here??
I ask?? excuses from mouth of child I say!!
poor woman come to USA and step off airplane to offenses and mistreatment from this man.
OK lets say man go to Russia, Sheremetyvo to meet nice Russian girl and he waits 2 hours in strange place.
can you imagine the SCANDAL!!  It is impossible!!
please this man would have tears on face like child
if men continue this behavior at Russian women you can expect to get your treatment in the future!! :evil:  believe it!!
Furthermore attitudes about the treatment of Russian women here are very troublesome!!  brave girl

[Dave13]

When Anna first came to the US, it was a direct flight to Seattle. So, I flew in the day before, stayed at a hotel that night and was at the airport three hours early. Of course the flight was late, She had a very long day, a three hour drive to Moscow Airport, arriving four hours before the flight, then the flight was delayed for two hours, then a 12 hour flight. I can't imagine having her wait two hours for me to show up. As for my friends and family, its my life, not theirs.

Dave

[Turboguy]

I have been reading this thread but have refrained from any comments until now.  

Things do happen.   There can always be unexpected traffic jams, wrecks and breakdowns that can throw the best laid plans of mice and men into disarray.  However I see his arriving late as being terribly inconsiderate.   If he was from another part of the country and ran into something unexpected it might be more excusable.   As I recall, when VWRW arrived I met her at JFK.   I had a choice of a number of flights including one that would have arrived an hour before hers which considering that she had to go through customs and immigration would have been plenty of time.   Instead I chose to arrive very early so that if one flight was cancelled or delayed I had lots of back up options.  In a worst case scenario I likely could have had my flight cancelled and made the 8 hour drive and beat her there.   There was no way I was going to have her wait for me.  Viking was nice enough to come to the airport and spend time with me as I waited which made it an enjoyable day.  Actually we toured around and went to his house for a while and still arrived early enough that we waited in the airport for hours.  

Things do happen unexpectedly.   When VWRW and I went to Egypt, I got as far as JFK where big storms cancelled all the international flights.  VWRW arrived in Egypt with no Turboguy to meet her.   She was very worried and even posted her concerns on RWD where many of our members were nice enough to reassure her that it would be OK.     I did arrive 18 hours after her instead of the 6 hours before her as planned.   Things do happen.  However in this case I doubt it was the first time there were ever traffic problems and he should have allowed for that.

Still, it is done.   Many have commented that it was not what he should have done.   I hope he realizes that now and does a better job of making his woman the important part of his life that she should be.  I think enough has been said and I hope he does a better job of giving her the care and attention she deserves and I do hope he posts some updates and that things turn our for the best after the rocky start.

[Mars]

It was January, so when we were to arrive to NY, my husband-to be (or not to be- who knew then!) came to JFK the day before to stay in the hotel to not be late.   

Coming a day early to stay in hotel is a good first step.  But it really doesn't assure anything re 'not to be late.'  It is getting from the hotel (or anywhere) to the airport that is the tricky part.  And even additionally . . . getting to the place in the airport where the visitor will first appear.  Not always an easy thing to do, particularly for a person unfamiliar with the airport; and even then, there can be last minute gate changes, etc., that can thwart even the best laid and executed plans.