western men of above average income??

[brave girl]

most countries immigration guidelines and simple finances to engage in the venture dictate that percentage to be quite low,,
in fact the oposite is likely far more the norm?
that RW marrying west, almost certainly marry western men of above average income,much less trailor park status.

If you do not mind, I would like to explore your comment. brave girl

[BillyB]

If you could, you should split your first category better. $49,999 is out of trailer park territory.

I would also say it's safe to say Western men who look to the FSU for a lady make more on average than Western men who look towards Asia and possibly Latin America.

[BillyB]

I don't know where the poll with end up but I suspect it won't be entirely accurate. I don't think the same % of extremely rich and extremely poor men in their categories participate on forums like this compared to the same % of men that are more in the middle categories. 1 out of 10 men who make $60,000 yearly may read a forum like this but 1 out of 100 men who make $10,000 or $1,000,000 may read this forum so participation among various groups in your poll may vary greatly.

[SMS60]

brave girl

There are many varibles to your question. I have seen people who make $150,000 a year and are broke after all the bills are paid at the end of the month. Their net worth is a negative number. They "appear" to be above average but owe more than they can ever earn.

A man who makes 50,000 with no debt is worth more than the person described above. But he ''appears" to be a trailer park dude.

Who is actually above average?????

[remiel6]

I agree with billy that the first category should be separated more. The reason I state this is that the poverty line in the US is I think 14K a year (or something like that) it varies quite a bit from state to state. The requirements for the adjustment of status are I think 18k or so a year. I might also state that without knowing where in the US a person lives knowing how much money they make can be very misleading as 49K in south Dakota will go a lot further than 49k in Manhattan will. I will add this also that the Beatles song should be quoted here "money can't buy love" More important than how much money is made are 2 more questions. 1) Is the WM honest about how much money he makes and how far his money goes 2) Is the FSUW realistic about her expectations. There is zero correlation between wealth and happy marriage and in fact the opposite could almost be said to be true. For the men with money it only increases the importance of finding a way to make sure that the woman you are interested in is interested in you and not your wallet. Then again if all you want is a trophy wife, don't come crying to me when she divorces you.

[Admin]

If you do not mind, I would like to explore your comment. brave girl

For context, there are two other sources of information that may be helpful.

At this link -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=4280.0, you will find a previous RWD poll on the same topic. The construction of the poll is a bit different, but the general idea is the same.

Also, at this link -- http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p11.html, you will find the results of a similar question posed to a VERY large group of respondents - nearly 2,000.

Offered FWIW.

- Dan

[brave girl]

If you could, you should split your first category better. $49,999 is out of trailer park territory.

Sorry, but man cannot buy house and support family with this money.

It is impossible!!  brave girl

[I/O]

A man who makes 50,000 with no debt is worth more than the person described above.

'Pends on his asset base, which is far more relevant to this question than income. Income is misleading.

[boaterguy]

Sorry, but man cannot buy house and support family with this money.

It is impossible!!  brave girl

I am in that group...I have been very wise with my money! I have never made over 50K a year,but I have made good investments that made me some excellent personal equity. My estate if I died right now is worth in excess of 7 fiqures. I own 4 nice vehicles,2 nice boats,2 nice homes which are well furnished. The only thing I owe money on is my 2nd home which I intend to sell soon.

There have been times in my life when I quit working towards the end of the year because I don't like to pay taxes! At this point in my life I consider myself semi-retired. I wheel and deal(buy and trade) so that keeps me out of the income level you describe.

[Sculpto]

Sorry, but man cannot buy house and support family with this money.

It is impossible!!  brave girl

that depends totally on what part of the USA they live.  Where I live... difficult... in the midwest.. no problem at all.

[brave girl]

that depends totally on what part of the USA they live.  Where I live... difficult... in the midwest.. no problem at all.

I have been to your beautiful place. San Francisco is NOT cheap city, please do not tell this story!!

My childhood friends and myself did not dream to live with pensioner in old house in village, Sorry.   brave girl

[Blues Fairy]

My childhood friends and myself did not dream to live with pensioner in old house in village, Sorry.   brave girl

Then why don't you brush up on your English comprehension and find yourself a nice high-paying job in San Francisco... OR in the Midwest. 

[dogspot]

Then why don't you brush up on your English comprehension and find yourself a nice high-paying job in San Francisco... OR in the Midwest. 

 

[JR]

My childhood friends and myself did not dream to live with pensioner in old house in village, Sorry.   brave girl

Hmm, says a lot. No mention about finding someone to love...

San Fran is not America. If you are going to put things in the context of S.F. you need to rephrase your question from "Western Men" to "San Francisco Men."

According to the US Census Bureau the median income in the US for 2006-2007 was $50,233. According to you that would put the majority of American's in trailers. That isn't the case. If you read elsewhere you'll find that the average individual income in America is less than that.

(from census.gov)
Real median household income in the United States climbed 1.3 percent between 2006 and 2007, reaching $50,233, according to a report released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. This is the third annual increase in real median household income.
In 2007, the ratio of earnings of women who worked full time, year-round was 78 percent of that for corresponding men. The real median earnings of men who worked full time, year-round climbed between 2006 and 2007, from $43,460 to $45,113. For women, the corresponding increase was from $33,437 to $35,102. These increases in earnings follow three years of annual decline in real earnings for both men and women.

[JR]

I am in that group...I have been very wise with my money! I have never made over 50K a year,but I have made good investments that made me some excellent personal equity. My estate if I died right now is worth in excess of 7 fiqures. I own 4 nice vehicles,2 nice boats,2 nice homes which are well furnished. The only thing I owe money on is my 2nd home which I intend to sell soon.

There have been times in my life when I quit working towards the end of the year because I don't like to pay taxes! At this point in my life I consider myself semi-retired. I wheel and deal(buy and trade) so that keeps me out of the income level you describe.

Sorry Boaterguy but according to Brave Girl you don't exist and I guess I don't either When my ex and I bought our home in SoCal (not the cheapest real estate market in the US) I made just above the trailer park status BG quotes. And my ex didn't work, so we did it on my income alone....

Me thinks someone is a bit uppity

[Misha]

According to the US Census Bureau the median income in the US for 2006-2007 was $50,233.

(from census.gov)
Real median household income in the United States climbed 1.3 percent between 2006 and 2007, reaching $50,233, according to a report released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.

To be precise, it is the median HOUSEHOLD income which would include the income of both the husband and the wife in households with a married couple. Given that 70% of American women work, the median INDIVIDUAL income would be much less than $50,233.

[brave girl]

Then why don't you brush up on your English comprehension and find yourself a nice high-paying job in San Francisco... OR in the Midwest. 

Explain why smart Russian Woman come to foreign country and pay for mans previous debts??   brave girl  

[JR]

Explain why smart Russian Woman come to foreign country and pay for mans previous debts??   brave girl  

LOL, that would be because she isn't smart A smart woman would have read his financial disclosure on the I-194 and understood he was in debt up to his a$$.

[Dave13]

The median household income in 2008 for San Francisco is $ 62,614 (source Calf. Department of Finance) and your right its not a cheap place to live! Reality is a hard road!

[BillyB]

My childhood friends and myself did not dream to live with pensioner in old house in village, Sorry.   brave girl

When does "Love" come into play in a relationship?

Let's say you and your friends find guys making $200,000 a year that meets your standards. What does he get out of it? More sex per dollar compared to the man making $100,000? It'll sound like a business deal more than romance.

Life is full of ups and downs. Everybody will probably get financially hurt one or more times in their lives. Some people never recover.

Brave girl, if you and your type of friends marry a man who is rich, takes good care of you, keeps you in style, and is a good father to the children who later in life becomes poor by your standards only making $30,000, would you dump him because you lose face and your social status with your friends, have to downgrade to a lower quality home and live in a lower quality neighborhood, have to go to work yourself and get your hands dirty, and sell your or his car and maybe or maybe not being able to replace it with a cheaper one among other things? Would you be embarrassed having to park your Kia next to your friends BMW's and Mercedes? Would you feel cheated that this is not the marriage you signed up for? Would you hire a divorce attorney to get everything you deserved from what remains of any assets? Your husband has become a common or poor man. Will your marriage not be fun or worthwhile anymore? Do you place any value on the man or just his money?

Would you get tough and stay devoted and support your man in difficult times and do whatever you can to make the marriage work?

I don't care if I make a million dollars a year, I want a strong devoted woman who can handle tough times, not the one who wants a free meal without earning it. Money is needed to support a family but a family is better off if the man is rich in his soul more than rich in his wallet.

Brave girl, you and your friends have unrealistic views of how much money is needed to create a happy family unless the view is your own to make YOU ladies happy. There are plenty of families making $50,000 a year in the richest nation on earth and can still afford buying a home.

I have heard many RW stating they have such high standards that I feel sorry for RM who will never be able to meet those standards especialy when they live in the FSU where money is more scarce. Is it any wonder a lot of RM prefer to just play around with RW instead of marrying them?

[Misha]

The median annual income of men over the age of 25 with earnings is $39,403 (according to Wikipedia citing 2006 US Census Bureau data. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States

In other words, half of all American men earn less than $39,403 per year.

[GQBlues]

My childhood friends and myself did not dream to live with pensioner in old house in village, Sorry.

Explain why smart Russian Woman come to foreign country and pay for mans previous debts??  

LOL. What an interestingly funny thread. You certainly have the right to be cautious and selective Brave Girl. Blue passports doesn't necessarily mean a better life.

Many AMs are disgusted with AWs because they are more concerned in establishing their careers and financial stability before contemplating a relationship. Call that lessons learned.

Of course with contemporary AWs, they actually have earning power these days. Do you and your cohorts, Brave Girl?

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If this really concerns you Brave Girl, allow me to say, based on per capita of GDP, your best bet are Luxemborg and Ireland.

[docetae]

This website can be interesting:
http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-living-calculator.aspx

If I earn 42k in Chicago, I must earn 63k in SF....or 35k in Chattannooga to keep the same living standard...

[Blues Fairy]

Explain why smart Russian Woman come to foreign country and pay for mans previous debts??   brave girl  

Do you speak of anyone in particular? (I can't even tell if you speak of one or many RW, so bad is your grammar.  )

[viking]

Doc, I like that URL. I think I need to move so I can have a bigger house, more cars, and provide brave girl with flashy clothes!