Cheaper Meat????

[Gator]

And then we have a category of men who are thought by some to be sex tourists yet the men assert they are doing nothing more than fulfilling a woman's sexual needs as part of giving her some attention.   This was Albert - Pike if you recall.  And a few people who read his trip reports agreed with him even though he would always start out each date with a RW by showing photos of his luxury home in America.

The term sex tourist has never been tightly defined in the context of the endeavor to seek marriage to a RW.

[Gator]

For those RW who don't know Tiger Woods, I offer his 2009 Xmas Photo made a few days ago with his wife Elin.

[Blues Fairy]

While we are picking nits in this thread, do you consider Don Juan a subcategory of Sex Tourism?

Or does the word "honestly" separate him from the pack because I think of sex tourism with marriage agency women as devious?

No, I consider the sex tourism a subcategory of Don Juanism.  

We cannot know how honestly in love this or that Don Juan really is; the fact of the matter that he is in love with the chase and the tougher the chase, the more excitement (= love in DJ's world) he derives from the pursuit.  

[pitbull]

For those RW who don't know Tiger Woods, I offer his 2009 Xmas Photo made a few days ago with his wife Elin.

Tiger Woods has a new name - Cheetah!  :evil:

[Gator]

Tiger Woods has a new name - Cheetah!  :evil:

I have heard a 100 jokes but not this one.  It's a good one.

I started a new thread in the "Ask RW A Question" subforum.  I hope RW wil express their opinion there about the Tiger incident. 

[BillyB]

And then we have a category of men who are thought by some to be sex tourists yet the men assert they are doing nothing more than fulfilling a woman's sexual needs as part of giving her some attention.   This was Albert - Pike if you recall..

Albert/Pike/Hub (He has 3 handles here) did choose women that was similar to himself. He'd go to the FSU on business trips scheduling women to meet him for a few days. He'd write them on Lucky Lovers I believe and he said he even had phone sex with them. These women, some from out of town, would stay in his apartment. Within a day or even hours, they drop their panties for him and have sex. They're adults and know what they are doing. No money changed hands. These women weren't under 30 or 40 if I remember correctly. He did not target young ones. Did he prey on naive women who's looking for marriage or just women who enjoys short term relationships? I believe he focused on women who truly wants short term relationships. He's not interested in women who want to keep her legs closed for a length of time while searching for a husband.

During my many communications with RW, I've communicated with a few women that seem to accept and seek short term relationships. They could easily engage in nasty talk. Based on Pike's story, he is not seeking marriage and not a sex tourist. He just wants short term relationships and he's finding the RW who seeks the same.

Nice Photo of Tiger there. I think he's going to be in the doghouse for a very long time no matter how much money he pays his wife to stay with him. Then where's he going to go to fulfill his sexual needs?

[OlgaH]

We cannot know how honestly in love this or that Don Juan really is; the fact of the matter that he is in love with the chase and the tougher the chase, the more excitement (= love in DJ's world) he derives from the pursuit.  

Yes, I would rather agree that it's more about the trophies collecting and nothing about love at all, the words of love are just a mean of seducing.

[Turboguy]

I think someone being a sex tourist can mean a lot of different things.

1.  Someone who takes a vacation to somewhere like Thailand or Amsterdam and pays a lot of hookers to have sex with him.   I don't have any real problem with that as long as they are women and not kids and if that is how he wants to spend his money that is his business.

2.  Someone like Pike who is open about what he wants and goes stricktly for the conquest.  That too is his business and if he can find women stupid enough to spend time with him then it is between the two of them.

3.  Someone who lies about his intentions and tells women he is looking for a wife and really is looking for a conquest.   To me this is as low as you can go and I wouln't waste the spit to spit in his face.

[GQBlues]

3.  Someone who lies about his intentions and tells women he is looking for a wife and really is looking for a conquest.   To me this is as low as you can go and I wouln't waste the spit to spit in his face.

100% agree with this.

[mies]

What made me thinking that there is a discrepancy between what Gator said and how you rephrased his claim was the word - hooker. Regardless of the reality, it is crucially important for the sex-tourist (as well as for a sane guy in this pursuit) to perceive that the woman who meets him in the airport is at least a decent woman, but ideally she should be viewed (even if only by him) as a first class lady.  Should the sex-tourist, for whatever reason, perceive indications that the woman might be a hooker, this would be turnoff for him.  To put it shortly, from the sex-tourist perspective, he does not view the women as a hooker.

It is extremely difficult to say whether sex-tourist initially plans to marry the woman he meets or not. Generally, it is tough to imagine what is going on in heads of the people who encountered  the subject that triggers their irrational behavior. I think in this moment they stop thinking and start feeling.  I think a good analogy would be a woman buying her 586 pair of new shoes. She mentally knows she does not need new shoes, but when she sees them she stops thinking and starts feeling that she wants them. When her need of the shoes’ possession  is satisfied, she is likely to see the shoes in different light. I think something similar happens with the sex-tourist, he sees a woman that he perceives as first class lady he wants to be with her, maybe even marry her (the same as the woman buying her 586 pair of new shoes may justify her purchase by promising that these shoes she certainly will wear). However, lately when his desire of being liked is temporally satisfied, he finds that the women he met during his trip do not satisfy his 586th important criterion. Hence, the women’s affection is not guarantee that he would be liked by the one, his perfect woman. …………….he is chasing his delusions again.

This is a great analysis, thank you! And very clear example - now it makes perfect sense. Again - thank you.
Your question about my style of reacting to posts - you nailed it to the core
As I understand it - there are at least three components in my reaction, they can work together, or interchange.
1) it is easier for me to associate myself with RW than with AM - based on a gender, background, culture, other personal characteristics.
2) i consciously often use approach of "proving by rejecting the opposite" - it is used in a number of exact sciences to which (sciences) i naturally affiliate from early childhood. i spend significant part of my life applying those techniques. Possibly in many cases it just comes as habit while talking on a forum. Sometimes I intentionally use it because i think it makes argument more valid.
3) i think it's my conditional reflex to take the defensive position - due to peculiarities of "traditional" upbringing. I'm earnestly trying to get rid of this reflex, but old habits die hard  

[RussianWind]

2.  Someone like Pike who is open about what he wants and goes stricktly for the conquest.  That too is his business and if he can find women stupid enough to spend time with him then it is between the two of them.

What, is it so unusual that women can want to have sex too? Or do they spread their legs only when they see a marriage perspective? 

[judnnc]

to each his own, but I personally do not understand why anyone would trouble themselves with the travel, expense, etc. to 'get some' in another country.

I'm sure many guys have fantasies about having sex with an exotic foreign woman whispering pillow talk in your ear in her native language, but certainly for 1/10 of the cost, you can get a hooker right in your own town, and in the end, when youve 'completed the deed', your going to pretty much feel the same way.

Just my opinion.

[facetrock]

   Well said RussianWind.
A woman will have sex with a man if he promises to marry her. That sounds kind of like prostitution.  And after he gets laid he stiffs her on the bill. Hmmm. Wonder how many times thats happened.
   The only place I ever hear something like that happening is in the FSU. I have never heard an AW tell me she wouldnt let a man have sex with her until he promised marriage.
   Maybe after a few days together they just both get horny and want to try each other out. Could it really be that simple?
 
Or maybe no one can win during a one or two week love affair that goes haywire. If the man gets nothing he claims the woman just used him. If the woman gets boned every night and ends up with no ring she claims he was a sex tourist.

[OlgaH]

Regardless of the reality, it is crucially important for the sex-tourist (as well as for a sane guy in this pursuit) to perceive that the woman who meets him in the airport is at least a decent woman, but ideally she should be viewed (even if only by him) as a first class lady.  

I think if every sex tourist was such a "gourmet" there would not be any sex tourism industry in such form as it exits.

[vwrw]

As I understand it - there are at least three components in my reaction, they can work together, or interchange.
1) it is easier for me to associate myself with RW than with AM - based on a gender, background, culture, other personal characteristics.
2) i consciously often use approach of "proving by rejecting the opposite" - it is used in a number of exact sciences to which (sciences) i naturally affiliate from early childhood. i spend significant part of my life applying those techniques. Possibly in many cases it just comes as habit while talking on a forum. Sometimes I intentionally use it because i think it makes argument more valid.
3) i think it's my conditional reflex to take the defensive position - due to peculiarities of "traditional" upbringing. I'm earnestly trying to get rid of this reflex, but old habits die hard  

mies, thanks for your response and a good news.  Learning that your communicative skills are acquired through practice rather than are a nature’s gift is encouraging me to persevere to improve mine.
I did not notice defensiveness in your posts or anything like that but creativity and passion with which you prove rightness of your convictions.

[OlgaH]

I'm sure many guys have fantasies about having sex with an exotic foreign woman whispering pillow talk in your ear in her native language...

Simply demand and supply 

From one of the Moscow websites

"If you are looking for an exciting date with a beautiful escort girl and make your staying in Russia totally unforgettable, then it is the right place to come. Here you’ll find the most beautiful Russian girls who’ll be glad to become your date"

[RussianWind]

I have never heard an AW tell me she wouldnt let a man have sex with her until he promised marriage.

Yeah I remember such "no sex before marriage" stories here. But was it the one with $20,000 investment and the guy with double age of her own? I fully understand her strong morality 

[BillyB]

to each his own, but I personally do not understand why anyone would trouble themselves with the travel, expense, etc. to 'get some' in another country.

I'm sure many guys have fantasies about having sex with an exotic foreign woman whispering pillow talk in your ear in her native language, but certainly for 1/10 of the cost, you can get a hooker right in your own town, and in the end, when youve 'completed the deed', your going to pretty much feel the same way.

Just my opinion.

Maybe some men have more money than brains. You got to get into their head to understand them and if you do some reading at a World sex forum, you will see those guys giving tips on where to get the hookers in various countries and the variations of sex and role playing a particular prostitute will do. We may have 50 members online at the same time they may have 600 members online at their forum. Sex tourism does exist.  Some people will go anywhere or pay anything to satisfy the freak in them.

[facetrock]

Does anyone really know if Albert and Porno Pike were the same people? Albert reminded me of a guy that was called SmoothOperator from the old RWG forum. They sounded alot a like and Smooth never really said what he was up to other than getting laid in the FSU.
 

[Sculpto]

Don't local Russian men lie, cajole, bend the truth and otherwise do their best to have women have sex with them You would think that any woman past her teens would already understand a thing or two about the general male psyche 

Bullseye Misha.  However, there is a perceptual difference.  It is expected from RM, but, agency propaganda and mythology works against good girls the same as it works against good men.  Women are told western men are more honest and family oriented etc etc etc and some of those ladies buy into the myth same as some of the men do.  That dynamic makes them easy targets for a smooth player, especially since sexual relations in the FSU typically have a different role in society than they do in the west. 

FWIW.. "just say no" never works. 

[Sculpto]

Please show me where I stated there is no such thing as a sex tourist.

You didn't.. my second comment was directed to postings that came after your opener.

[Misha]

sexual relations in the FSU typically have a different role in society than they do in the west. 

What is the difference in your opinion?

FWIW.. "just say no" never works. 

Why?

[Misha]

What, is it so unusual that women can want to have sex too?

LOL! Yes, but when a woman wants to have sex with a man, she would label him as a sex tourist 

[Sculpto]

What is the difference in your opinion?

Why?

Actually i would call on Boethius to expand on my comment regarding the societal function of sexual relations in the FSU.  But, from what I have understood, sex is far more commodified than it is in the west and certainly more than in the US where there are the extremes of puritanism and "girls gone wild".

"just say no" never works because people are incapable of controlling their urges.  The other day I was viewing a Japanese program where they were doing some experiments on urge behavior.  A bunch of kids were shown cream puffs and told if they waited till the teacher came back they could have two cream puffs instead of one.  Of the 15 kids only two were able to wait. 

[JR]

Maybe some men have more money than brains. You got to get into their head to understand them

Once you're into their pants it's not very likely you are going to care about what's going on in their heads