Cheaper Meat????

[Misha]

Speaking about RMs, i've heard that sometimes they promise marriage while only want sex. But i never met such men, or girls who dated such RMs. However, I did meet women who dated WMs, who promised marriage while scheduling next date with another/next sexually attractive woman.

My wife told me stories of all the married RM who were seeking to "date" her and hiding the fact that they were married (or at least trying to). Again, I would have expected women to be a bit more used to the idea that many men local and otherwise will say whatever it takes to get a woman to say yes  

[Gylden]

I think that AW get bashed pretty good on these forums by some and I would just like to say that I think it is a mistake to do so and it is a sign of week character, just as bad mouthing a former spouse. It lacks class to say the least. I do believe that AW are looking for much the same as FSUW and it is easier for them to identify who these “undesirable” men are, because they speak the same language and most often use more time in the dating process. (Making it easier by nature)
The FSUW however doesn’t have the language or time advantage and so character flaws are often not discovered until after they are married and have moved to the US or wherever. These are often labeled as GCG by their disappointed ex-husbands.
Not all men are this way.
By the way, I have three daughters in the US and it is my opinion that they are pretty OK! (But of course I am their father)

Spasibo, I am not so familiar with all of these abbreviations

[RussianWind]

And even further, some FSUW do not only 'not require a condom,' but they become very angry when the man insists on using one.

Then you mix with dinosaurs.

[Gylden]

Mars,
Difficult to gather anything about women from this thread.
However, I do believe that European and Canadian women in general have a much more liberal view of sex than Americans.
IMO to use the terminology of "meat" is disrespectful, though I realise it was most likely provoked by a woman poster.

[Jumper]

Then you mix with dinosaurs.

 
then you are saying he should date younger women!    :evil:

ahh the irony of advice here!!
(you know i'm teasing you)

[RussianWind]

JollyRat never mentioned how he got sexed up in Ukraine and by whom? Nor did he even mentioned if he is now engaged, in a relationship, dating, etc with the particular woman he sexed up with. He did not mention that getting laid in Ukraine was the core reason, or a consequence, of going there in the first place. He could've very well met someone at a club, on the street and consensually engaged in casual sex.

Whatever. But I remember his line in one of his previous posts: 'Everyone can get laid in the FSU"  

P.S. My advice - don't take JR's posts too seriousely, you always forget that he is kinda joking  

[Mars]

IMO to use the terminology of "meat" is disrespectful, though I realise it was most likely provoked by a woman poster.

You are right; not just provoked, but actually written by one or more FSUW.

[Makkin]

  Been saying this recently. Stay home and save money if all you want is sex.


Makkin

[Nat]

Recently another member stated that going to Uzbekistan was akin to searching for "Cheaper Meat."

That made me think of this: A month or so ago I went to Ukraine where I got laid once. The total cost was about $2000.00 USD. Add to that all the planning, packing, preparing, airport security checks, jetlag and use of vacation time and it was one expensive piece of meat (which BTW, I don't consider human beings with feelings and emotions to be meat).

Now consider that last week I dated a local lady and got laid at a cost of $8 for gas in my motorcycle, $21 for fresh deli sandwiches and two drinks, $2 for a movie rental (she paid for that) and the total to get laid once comes to $29 and one day with about 20 minutes of planning and no jetlag.

So which is the cheaper piece of meat?

Well, I don't like the phrase, which made JollyRats open this topic at all. Very rude phrase, in fact. But if to answer the question: I don't think sex tourists come here for "cheap meat" - there are other things which attract them very much here. I could list these things, but it would be an advertising of sex tourism, so I won't. Besides, I'm sure all of you know what I'm talking about - because most of these things attract not only sex tourists, but also potential wife-seekers.

[mies]

Mies, I can't give you good answer because we have fundamental differences of opinion as to what is possible on a WMVM trip.

Until an engagement is agreed upon;  I feel that all is fair for both man and woman with respect to other partners.  I would neither ask about other partners, nor want to be told.

valid point.

on my side - i prefer to know. I am not too jealous, but i don't like to be lied to, nor receive information in "limited amounts".

[I/O]

A month or so ago I went to Ukraine where I got laid once. The total cost was about $2000.00 USD.

Now consider that last week I dated a local lady and got laid at a cost of $8 for gas in my motorcycle, $21 for fresh deli sandwiches and two drinks, $2 for a movie rental (she paid for that) and the total to get laid once comes to $29

So which is the cheaper piece of meat?

Apples and oranges. The comparison rate is about 70-1. Having some tender eye fillet melt in your mouth is certainly worth 70 times more than chewin' on a lump of seasoned bullock rump.

I gotta say JR, unless you were there less than a day, getting laid once is pretty poor form. I always thought if you couldn't do double digits in the first week you needed to lift your game or review your plan.

[Mars]

Apples and oranges. The comparison rate is about 70-1. Having some tender eye fillet melt in your mouth is certainly worth 70 times more than chewin' on a lump of seasoned bullock rump.

For your words to have any validity in the current thread; you would have to know how JR graded the two participants.  Despite your obvious bias, based on pure probability you must realize some chance that the particular USA participant graded out higher than the FSU participant.

[Mars]

I gotta say JR, unless you were there less than a day, getting laid once is pretty poor form. I always thought if you couldn't do double digits in the first week you needed to lift your game or review your plan.

I am always quite amazed re the existence on this discussion board of the double standards applied to men who are 'seekers' compared to those who are 'married.'

For instance, when such words as quoted above are said (whether in jest or not) by 'seekers' they are immediately attacked as crass 'sex tourists.'

But once married to an FSUW, the men obtain God status and are no longer subject to attack; that is with respect to these type of comments.  Paraphrasing a line from some Mel Brooks movie . . . 'It must feel great to be the King!'

[JR]

JR.. your post is IMO rather tasteless.  

I can add a little Tabasco Sauce if you want

Guys claiming there is no such thing as a sex tourist are absolutely clueless.  Just read the romance scam boards and then try and make such an uninformed comment.  Far more women get scammed, mostly for sex, than men do for anything.  Amazing lack of insight on display.

Please show me where I stated there is no such thing as a sex tourist.

[I/O]

Mars: Bad day or natural bad attitude? Get over yourself dude. Perhaps you'd do better if you listened to the preachings of the "Gods" instead of staggering around blind?

[Gator]

Please show me where I stated there is no such thing as a sex tourist.

By forgetting to attribute the comment to Mars, 2012fiction gives the mistaken impression that you said such.  Don't worry - everyone already knows that you are a sex tourist.  

Seriously, for someone to say "there is no such thing as a sex tourist" makes me wonder:   Is it possible that he practices what we consider sex tourism but does not like the label?

[JR]

By forgetting to attribute the comment to Mars, 2012fiction gives the mistaken impression that you said such.  Don't worry - everyone already knows that you are a sex tourist.  

Seriously, for someone to say "there is no such thing as a sex tourist" makes me wonder:   Is it possible that he practices what we consider sex tourism but does not like the label?

I know but I just HAD to rib him about it

[vwrw]

It is ludicrous for a man to pay big money to travel solely for the purpose of getting sex.
No sane man would do it.

Mars, IMHO, your entire argument of sex-tourism’s nonexistence (in the context that most women use this term) is build on the assumption that no sane man would  pay big money to travel solely for the purpose of getting sex. However, this assumption is extremely weak. No sane person would behave as schizophrenic, does it mean that schizophrenia does not exist? Creation of a phenomena is not a sole privilege of sane people. A individual afflicted by the inferiority complex can act irrationally in attempt to prove something to him or herself.   

[JR]

Heheeee!!!!

I was going to respond to more posters in the thread but I'm having entirely tooooo much fun watching peeps making big pile of shit statements like "I always thought if you couldn't do double digits in the first week" then stepping in the plies of shit they have made.

If you want to know why I went to Donetsk ask me. If you want to know how many women (here or abroad) I can bed in a certain period of time ask me. But please refrain from making judgments about me based upon your own personal criteria and a lack of knowledge of who I am and what I am about.

There, that should stir the pot!

[vwrw]

Especially when considering that those couple hundred $$ land not in the girl's pocket but in the revenue of an air-carrier company.
It's about same as claiming every man can buy regular/"economy class" trip to Vegas and have a "business-class" hooker meet him in the airport and stay with him whole week attending to every his wish, and demand nothing, only occasional lunches and wine every now and then.

I could not understand what you tried to say by this post of yours.
Gator’s post did not imply or label the women who inadvertently got in arms of sex-tourist as hookers. What he said is about the same as claiming that man can buy regular/"economy class" trip to FSU and have a decent woman meet him in the airport and stay with him whole week attending to every his wish, and demand nothing in return, just hoping that what they have been experiencing is a real, serious, and leading to long-term relationship. Since the man did not pay her money, this fact gives the man perception that he is liked for his identity, for who he is. And for the opportunity to experience the perception, he pays the airfare.   

[Mars]

Quote from: Mars on Yesterday at 08:41:42 PM
It is ludicrous for a man to pay big money to travel solely for the purpose of getting sex.  No sane man would do it.

Mars, IMHO, your entire argument of sex-tourism’s nonexistence (in the context that most women use this term) is build on the assumption that no sane man would  pay big money to travel solely for the purpose of getting sex. However, this assumption is extremely weak. No same person would behave as schizophrenic, does it mean that schizophrenia does not exist? Creation of a phenomena is not a sole privilege of sane people. A individual afflicted by the inferiority complex can act irrationally in attempt to prove something to him or herself.  

I will admit that my wording was not the best I have ever produced; and that my attempt at logic to support my assertation leaves a lot to be desired also.  Sorry.

[vwrw]

She quite readily admitted that FSU women have a very pronounced double standard with regard to local men vs foreign men.

For local men, the FSUW will date and have sex with no expectation of a long term relationship and certainly no expectation of marriage.

But when a foreign man is involved, the FSUW suddenly become righteous virgins who think that the first kiss should lead directly to a marriage.  If this is not the total plan of the man . . . then he is insincere and a sex tourist.

Then, back to screwing Igor, Vladimir and Sergei just for fun.

Wrong. The majority of FSUW will have sex with the expectation of a long term relationship. The same as people in developed countries still follow their program to overeat and store calories even thought famine does not threaten them, women still have a tendency to choose those men for sex who seem to have the potential of being a good long- term partner even though they protect themselves from pregnancy. 

Women who behave differently are in the minority and are so insufficient in their number that it is wrong to attribute their behavior to the majority of the population. 

[JR]

I will admit that my wording was not the best I have ever produced; and that my attempt at logic to support my assertation leaves a lot to be desired also.  Sorry.

Too LATE!!! You will be duely drawn and quartered

[Mars]

By forgetting to attribute the comment to Mars, 2012fiction gives the mistaken impression that you said such.  Don't worry - everyone already knows that you are a sex tourist.  

Seriously, for someone to say "there is no such thing as a sex tourist" makes me wonder:   Is it possible that he practices what we consider sex tourism but does not like the label?

Ok, well if you want to attribute something to me, then lets prove it.

The words quoted above are "there is no such thing as a sex tourist."

So point to where I said those words alone.  No, no . . . . not those words in conjunction with something else, or those words plus some other words.  Just those words alone.  That is what a real quote is about; not leaving out something, but a total and complete quote; and along with the context of the quote is generally what is fair.

[JR]

Wrong. The majority of FSUW will have sex with the expectation of a long term relationship. The same as people in developed countries still follow their program to overeat and store calories even thought famine does not threaten them, women still have a tendency to choose those men for sex who have the potential of being a good long- term partner even though they protect themselves from pregnancy.  

Women who behave differently are in the minority and are so insufficient in their number that it is wrong to attribute their behavior to the majority of the population.  

VWRW, please stop making sense. You are derailing a completly enjoyable mud throwing contest with your reason and logic.