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[mies]

mies-

You'll have to forgive me. But is that a misnomer? Ruffled, laced thong?!? That sounds so uncomfortable it's almost painful.  

exactly. But the most odd stories usually are most memorable
or do you question the existence of laced panties? (http://cdn1.ioffer.com/img/item/121/733/699/lQK1.jpg)
but in my original post i said something different, namely: ruffled lace. thong.
you can compare the difference looking at this pic for example:
or the combination of both - black ruffled lace, and laced thong. http://www.dollhousebettie.com/all-panties-bottoms/3011-blush-dangerous-liaisons-corset-laced-thong.html

[Jumper]

exactly. But the most odd stories usually are most memorable
or do you question the existence of laced panties? (http://cdn1.ioffer.com/img/item/121/733/699/lQK1.jpg)

They are actually pretty comfortable,, mine only get knotted up when
i read certain topics here..

 

[mies]

 

which only proves my initial suggestion: the more odd the story is - the more food for fantasy thought it gives 

[OlgaH]

Yeah, my first boyfriend used this quote on me too when I announced I was leaving him.  See a difference between a tiny kitten and a grown 20-year-old man?  Was ''elementary human love and responsibility" an appropriate interpretation of the Exupery quote in this case?

If your first boyfriend used the quote without reading The Little Prince he used it not knowing it's exact meaning. If he read "The Little Prince" he simply did not apprehend the concept of the book. In both cases it was just his manipulation with the words and his  understanding of the quote was far from the actual idea.

[Blues Fairy]

In both cases it was just his manipulation with the words and his  understanding of the quote was far from the actual idea.

That's the convenience of famous quotes; one can take them completely out of context and throw them at people with the full force of the original author's authority. :evil:

[mies]

several of my high-school classmates were greatly fond of the books of a sort "1000 most famous/wise quotes". They were memorizing quotes and then impressing girls on a date. Their quoted wisdom sounded about same way as the "oh so old" vampire looks in the "Twilight" movie when he talks about Debussy record
I even think one of my friends in the past also said this phrase from Exupéry's book. He wasn't my boyfriend but he wanted to become one. So he said this phrase and explained that since i was nice and friendly with him, and he got used to me - then I am responsible for him and have to date him because this is what he wants.

[OlgaH]

That's the convenience of famous quotes; one can take them completely out of context and throw them at people with the full force of the original author's authority. :evil:

Personally I haven't met any person who would use the quote completely out of "The Little prince"  context.  But I will not deny that some people do and even turn the quote into "a very tricky and treacherous principle" or better to say a tool.

... A very tricky and treacherous principle.  Anyone can pretend to be "tamed" by you and hence you are forever responsible for them, whether you like it or not.   

Yes, some people pretend and in such case they are nothing more but lairs who use other people for their selfish ends.

[Misha]

If your first boyfriend used the quote without reading The Little Prince he used it not knowing it's exact meaning.

I managed to find the passage. Yes, he clearly did not understand it as the Little Prince leaves in spite of having tamed the fox 

[Blues Fairy]

Yes, some people pretend and in such case they are nothing more but lairs who use other people for their selfish ends.

Not necessarily.  Some people simply have the infantile manner of being constantly "tamed" and dependent on others; they might not be liars or intentional manipulators but they definitely aren't adult self-sufficient people either.  The Exupery quote is their life principle; only they apply it to others instead of themselves.

A more interesting thing is the FSUW's in question who are perfectly adequate and adult in their behavior with social equals, but immediately fall into this infantile 'tamed' mode with richer/more powerful men.    

[Misha]

A more interesting thing is the FSUW's in question who are perfectly adequate and adult in their behavior with social equals, but immediately fall into this infantile 'tamed' mode with richer/more powerful men.    

Good question. Is is tied to the fact that many women (in the FSU and elsewhere) use marriage as a way to climb up in in terms of class and status? They build their dreams on who they can "land" as opposed to what they achieve in their own lives?

[OlgaH]

Not necessarily.  Some people simply have the infantile manner of being constantly "tamed" and dependent on others; they might not be liars or intentional manipulators but they definitely aren't adult self-sufficient people either.  The Exupery quote is their life principle; only they apply it to others instead of themselves.

When people pretend (притворяются, делают вид, симулируют) it is also a lie.  

But I agree that some people "have the infantile manner of being constantly "tamed" (rather not in Exupéry's meaning of the word) and dependent on others" and that also can be their psychological problems.    

[wiz]

Misha I absolutely agree with you. But women who lie, use sex and other deceptive games in order to "catch" a man or for other their selfish purposes most likely will not take any responsibility.  Other women especially who step on the same rake twice and more times most likely will not take any responsibility due to their chronic immaturity, naïvety, infantilism or simply silliness or whatever.   

Women with hidden agendas NEVER take responsibility for their actions, never admit mistakes and always will transfer the responsibility to the man, because of the premises in their agendas.

In the case of Russian women who look to find a partner in the West, don’t be fooled in thinking that they are naïve or silly or immature in their character.  They are strong willed, in some cases ignorant, which brings conflict in a relationship and it’s inbred with them never to accept any “guild” or mistake for their actions, a result which is handed down the generations from the USSR times.

PS: Olga what is the Russian word for "Guilt"?

[KenC]

Women with hidden agendas NEVER take responsibility for their actions, never admit mistakes and always will transfer the responsibility to the man, because of the premises in their agendas.

In the case of Russian women who look to find a partner in the West, don’t be fooled in thinking that they are naïve or silly or immature in their character.  They are strong willed, in some cases ignorant, which brings conflict in a relationship and it’s inbred with them never to accept any “guild” or mistake for their actions, a result which is handed down the generations from the USSR times.

PS: Olga what is the Russian word for "Guilt"?

Wiz,
There is no Russian word for "guilt!"  At least I never heard one in 11 years.

The highlighted portion of your post is a sword that cuts both ways.  If a guy goes over to see a woman and comes back with anything less than what he had expected, some will cry that they have been scammed or taken by a pro dater. (See Handicam's thread)
Ken
(BTW welcome back)

[wiz]

Wiz,
There is no Russian word for "guilt!"  At least I never heard one in 11 years.

The highlighted portion of your post is a sword that cuts both ways.  If a guy goes over to see a woman and comes back with anything less than what he had expected, some will cry that they have been scammed or taken by a pro dater. (See Handicam's thread)
Ken
(BTW welcome back)

Hello Ken

According to my Oxford Russian dictionary there is……. But like you, I never heard it too, during my few years on this adventure! 

I agree and stand corrected that it cuts both ways. It should read:

Women or men with hidden agendas NEVER take responsibility for their actions, never admit mistakes and always will transfer the responsibility to the other person, because of the premises in their agendas.

Yes I read that thread and naivety is the least I can say for that poster…….  or ... 

(Thank you for your welcome and I hope your health has improved and you are back to normal.)

[OlgaH]

PS: Olga what is the Russian word for "Guilt"?

вина - "vee-na"

[Jooky]

There is no Russian word for "guilt!"

Right in line with "Russian women never say thank you", "Russian women never say sorry", "Don't ever argue with a Russian woman". Some of you pick the wrong kind of Russian women to spend your time with. Choose better next time. Russians are normal people. Enough said.

[wiz]

Right in line with "Russian women never say thank you", "Russian women never say sorry", "Don't ever argue with a Russian woman". Some of you pick the wrong kind of Russian women to spend your time with. Choose better next time. Russians are normal people. Enough said.

"Russian women never say thank you", .... Do they normally?

"Russian women never say sorry", .....Do They?

"Don't ever argue with a Russian woman"..... Why not?

Who said that Russian people are not normal?

Do you accept that there are behaviour and cultural differences between the various societies and also between men and women?

Are you telling us that you always picked the right woman (perfect comes to mind) to spent time with?

[Mars]

Right in line with "Russian women never say thank you", "Russian women never say sorry", "Don't ever argue with a Russian woman".

Some of you pick the wrong kind of Russian women to spend your time with. Choose better next time. Russians are normal people. Enough said.

Jooky, when 40 men, each of whom has met 10 RW say basically the same thing about the RW re the variables you note above; does that not say something?
How can there be a way to 'choose better' if the characteristic is ubiquitous?

I don't mean to imply RW are not desirable in the overall sense, but what purpose does it serve to be an apologist and deny something which all 'objective' persons (this rules out RW and WM who are talking about their RW) have noted over and over again?

There are 'generalities' which apply to persons in each culture.  Doesn't mean 100%, but does mean you will be peeing into the wind if you hope to avoid the generality.

[Misha]

Right in line with "Russian women never say thank you", "Russian women never say sorry", "Don't ever argue with a Russian woman". Some of you pick the wrong kind of Russian women to spend your time with. Choose better next time. Russians are normal people. Enough said.

Pretty much. My wife always says thank you. She does say sorry (as I do) if she understands that she truly did something wrong. My wife is very sensitive, so she will feel quite guilty if she thinks that she may have inadvertently offended someone. My wife is pretty typical of all the RW that I have as friends and acquaintances.

[groovlstk]

Right in line with "Russian women never say thank you", "Russian women never say sorry", "Don't ever argue with a Russian woman". Some of you pick the wrong kind of Russian women to spend your time with. Choose better next time. Russians are normal people. Enough said.

I've always wondered about this, too. My wife and the women I dated before her were polite and gracious, and my wife doesn't hesitate to apologize or admit she's wrong when she steps out of line. Really, can you believe she actually behaves the way holier-than-though Westerners believe is appropriate? What a relief!

One thing I adore about Russian people is that I have yet to encounter one who exhibits the moral hypocrisy and silly righteousness so common among Western people.

I also find it more than a little ironic that men who experience Russia and Ukraine through the lenses of marriage agencies and tour operators have the gall to make generalizations about the rest of the country based on their experiences among the slimiest of the slimy.

[Mars]

I also find it more than a little ironic that men who experience Russia and Ukraine through the lenses of marriage agencies and tour operators have the gall to make generalizations about the rest of the country based on their experiences among the slimiest of the slimy.

I have had zero experience with marriage agencies and tour operators and have met zero women through those  routes.

On the other hand, I have worked with non-profit and charitable organizations in Russia and Ukraine where I rubbed elbows with the best those countries had to offer.  They did virtually without exception display the characteristics you deny.

[Ade]

I also find it more than a little ironic that men who experience Russia and Ukraine through the lenses of marriage agencies and tour operators have the gall to make generalizations about the rest of the country based on their experiences among the slimiest of the slimy.

Yes, amusing isn't it?

FWIW, My wife says she knows only one woman that never says "thank you".

[KenC]

I also find it more than a little ironic that men who experience Russia and Ukraine through the lenses of marriage agencies and tour operators have the gall to make generalizations about the rest of the country based on their experiences among the slimiest of the slimy.

groovistk,
Interesting that you chastise those who generalise about RW's traits and yet it is OK for you to generalise about people involved with agencies?
Hmmm?
KenC

[Misha]

On the other hand, I have worked with non-profit and charitable organizations in Russia and Ukraine where I rubbed elbows with the best those countries had to offer.  They did virtually without exception display the characteristics you deny.

I don't really understand what you mean with the last statement. However, Russians do differ in one respect from North Americans. The public and the private persona differ quite a bit in Russia. It has been my experience that in public, Russians act quite differently than they do at home with friends and family. The gruff bureaucrat treating you snidely while trying to figure out forms at the OVIR, would more than likely be a sweet, kind person who will joke and laugh and share everything she has if you were her guest at her home.

[Blues Fairy]

One thing I adore about Russian people is that I have yet to encounter one who exhibits the moral hypocrisy and silly righteousness so common among Western people.

I've encountered plenty.  Self-righteousness is not a national trait of character - it's something typical of a certain liberal mindset, regardless of nationality, when they're sure they have no racist/nationalist/sexist etc. bone in their body and therefore anything they say is by definition morally superior to what their opponent says.  You don't have to go too far to find examples.