The Good, the bad, the ugly,... Get the truth.

[Shadow]

The USA is in the 1-st place because of Mexican people. What does it have to do with Russia (which BTW is "higher" than France and many other European countries)?

Amerkanski wants to rate how 'good' a country is by how many more want to get in as want to get out. Which by statistics would make Afghanistan like heaven. 

[Doll]

Doll you would not understand it..nor do I have the energy to explain it.. we can move on?

Come on, how do you know I won't understand it?
It is a huge accusation- prison mentality. Who wants the wife with something criminal on her mind? So you have to define it now or it is worth nothing.

[Doll]

Amerkanski wants to rate how 'good' a country is by how many more want to get in as want to get out. Which by statistics would make Afghanistan like heaven. 

Heaven next to the USA 

[Amerkanski]

Amerkanski wants to rate how 'good' a country is by how many more want to get in as want to get out. Which by statistics would make Afghanistan like heaven.  

I would never want to see where you keep and pull your statistic information from..

[Turboguy]

If you judge a country by how many want in and how many want out, you take the 'net migration', taking the number of immigrants and subtracting the number of emigrants.

Net migration statistics show that the US should be counted as the best country. However if you see that the second place goes to Afghanistan, I get my doubts about the arguments.  

To me how many want to go to and how many want to leave a country is a measure of the desirability of that country but there can be other factors.  I think most who want to come to America do so for a better life in some manner.  I doubt that can be said for Afghanistan,  Perhaps it is Taliban and those fighting them that affect it.  Program or not Russia has a problem with losing population.  There must be a reason for that.  If people found what they wanted in Russia people would stay and people would move there.  I am sure the illegal immigration there is far less than here.  Just there are worse places and it is a long walk from their borders to the Mexico / USA border.

I love Russia.  It has an amazing history, some of the most wonderful people who are smart, hard working and educated.  I could go on about what I like a long time.  It also has rampant corruption, a lack of opportunity and problems with the way women are treated and lots more.  There is good and there is bad just like here and everywhere else.  People follow the money.  
Back in the oil pipeline days people flocked to Alaska,  was it the beautiful scenery?  No it was a chance to make really good money and that is the magnet for America.  If that ends The USA may find itself losing population if there are places in the world people can make more money and live better.

[Kunstkammer]

Все это обсуждение отлично помогло мне убить 20 минут, надеюсь его не закроют, ибо оно становится все смешнее!

In other words, I hope this thread never ends, I'm getting too many laughs!

[Doll]

Та ну да- маЛчик многовато принял на хруть в Волгограде. То ись, он хронически принимает.

[Shadow]

Alright, finally something worth learning.. can you write a bit more on what you mean? Like give me a scenario..?

Our cultures are too different and not compatible because Russian women can be brash and rude often. It would take many years for them to first understand our culture and for you to understand theirs. Russian men are very thick skinned but have no problem smacking a Russian women around and it happens often and not talked about. I've seen this abuse many many times. Being American we are taught early never to hit a women and I've never understood why a man would ever hit a women until I went to Russia. In short, when RW get upset they will call out every character flaw in front of you/others no matter how personal it is. I've also seen this happen many times too.

Russian women have prison mentality and try to find and exploit any mental or emotional weakness and it's a game played every second you are around them. Matter of fact, they are more attracted to strong mental/physical men then they are to intellectuals. In short, the game never stops and if it does they will quickly move onto the next.

Do these observations include your good friend and his wife.
I hope that this time you will answer, otherwise I might as well give up.

[Kunstkammer]

Та ну да- маЛчик многовато принял на хруть в Волгограде. То ись, он хронически принимает.

Атлет, ёптыть 

[Doll]

I hope that this time you will answer,

He made it clear- we can't understand it.
Though, wait a minute- he did define,"Matter of fact, they are more attracted to strong mental/physical men then they are to intellectuals. In short, the game never stops and if it does they will quickly move onto the next"
I think this is the definition.

[Amerkanski]

Do these observations include your good friend and his wife.
I hope that this time you will answer, otherwise I might as well give up.

No not at all- But I've seen more then a few Russian guys hit their wives sadly or hear through the walls in my flat.

[Doll]

Атлет, ёптыть 

Yeah, I think he is having a good time in V. Guess what? When he is in his 40's he will marry..... an RW. You know why RW?

[Shadow]

To me how many want to go to and how many want to leave a country is a measure of the desirability of that country but there can be other factors.  I think most who want to come to America do so for a better life in some manner.  I doubt that can be said for Afghanistan,  Perhaps it is Taliban and those fighting them that affect it.  Program or not Russia has a problem with losing population.  There must be a reason for that.  If people found what they wanted in Russia people would stay and people would move there.  I am sure the illegal immigration there is far less than here.  Just there are worse places and it is a long walk from their borders to the Mexico / USA border.

I love Russia.  It has an amazing history, some of the most wonderful people who are smart, hard working and educated.  I could go on about what I like a long time.  It also has rampant corruption, a lack of opportunity and problems with the way women are treated and lots more.  There is good and there is bad just like here and everywhere else.  People follow the money.  
Back in the oil pipeline days people flocked to Alaska,  was it the beautiful scenery?  No it was a chance to make really good money and that is the magnet for America.  If that ends The USA may find itself losing population if there are places in the world people can make more money and live better.

If you would check the statistics you would see that the reason for declining population is not in emigration, as Russia is 7th on the list with a positive balance, ahead of many European countries.
These are excluding the statistics of illegal immigrants. With the enormous borders of Russia, and the economy in surrounding countries being worse, I could guess Russia would be in the top-3 of positive net immigration.

There are still many things in Russia that need to be adressed, just as in many countries there are flaws once you see them up close. However they are currently working on it, seeing the new programs which were announced by the government.

[Daveman]

He made it clear- we can't understand it.
Though, wait a minute- he did defined,"Matter of fact, they are more attracted to strong mental/physical men then they are to intellectuals. In short, the game never stops and if it does they will quickly move onto the next"
I think this is the definition.

That was my take as well... so, does anyone think this is a falsehood?  Does every culture have their emotional/mind games with the difference being that we understand ours, but theirs is completely alien to us?  

I agree that this "mentality", while perhaps overstated above, does indeed exist to varying degrees in various women.  To call it "prison" mentality is a stretch, but RW do seem to love drama and games, and seem to think that the deeper she can push a button, the more he cares... agree? disagree? moving to France?

[Shadow]

No not at all-

Which shows that there are many different men and women in Russia.
Your point that among the women who wish to find a foreign husband are many who are just looking for an easy life, with whoever they can find to pay for it, is a valid one. However that *all* RW fit this description is incorrect.
It is up to the men to find a way to separate the Good from the Bad...the ugly will be out of the game quickly most of the time anyway.

You have been asked to give some pointers on how to recognize the bad, and what separates them from the good women. How about doing it by comparing some of the women you met to the wife of your friend ?

[Shadow]

That was my take as well... so, does anyone think this is a falsehood?  

What I know this is something that is not at all exclusive to RW. 

[Admin]

There is more than quite a bit of truth there.  I may not agree that it's not worth it (at least not yet), but god these relationships can be a royal pain in the butt sometimes.  You have to have (and you have to find someone who shares these qualities), first off, an open mind, secondly, patience, and thirdly, tenacity.   Of course love, etc, but without both people having those first three, the relationship is probably doomed from the outset.

>>first off, an open mind, secondly, patience, and thirdly, tenacity.   Of course love, etc, but without both people having those first three, the relationship is probably doomed from the outset.<<

Dave - wouldn't you agree this same list applies to ANY long-term relationship, no matter if it is RW or AW or MW?

- Dan

[Amerkanski]

Which shows that there are many different men and women in Russia.
Your point that among the women who wish to find a foreign husband are many who are just looking for an easy life, with whoever they can find to pay for it, is a valid one. However that *all* RW fit this description is incorrect.
It is up to the men to find a way to separate the Good from the Bad...the ugly will be out of the game quickly most of the time anyway.

You have been asked to give some pointers on how to recognize the bad, and what separates them from the good women. How about doing it by comparing some of the women you met to the wife of your friend ?

First, did I ever say all? Did you read my "disclaimer"?- Second, your English comprehension lacks the full meaning of my posts. In short, it is a waste of time trying to explain anything to you and verifies that our two cultures are so very different to form a true understandable bond to set a solid foundation to grow a meaningful relationship.

[Shadow]

First, did I ever say all? Did you read my "disclaimer"?- Second, your English comprehension lacks the full meaning of my posts. In short, it is a waste of time trying to explain anything to you and verifies that our two cultures are so very different to form a true understandable bond to set a solid foundation to grow a meaningful relationship.

First, why would you give advice if this applies to 'some' ?
Second, I am not the one who has been asking 'what do you mean' a number of times, there for I doubt that my English comprehension is limited.

As far as 'our cultures', what exactly do you know about my culture ?

[Doll]

Second, your English comprehension lacks the full meaning of my posts. In short, it is a waste of time trying to explain anything to you and verifies that our to cultures are so very different to form a true understandable bond to set a solid foundation to grow a meaningful relationship.

Rude, but I agree.

[Shadow]

Rude, but I agree.

Had he told it to you, I might agree as well. 

[Admin]

You still angry with me? I would reply, but why wake the admin? ..ehh?

>>but why wake the admin?<<

No worries there. The Mods, and other members, have been doing a very credible job of responding to your arrogance and condescension - not to mention the provocations.

To this point, and with a couple of exceptions, I admit to finding the exchange mostly amusing. I do believe you were disingenuous with your "clarification" to UTRO, and do not for a moment believe your comment was 'innocent.' That sort of behavior is repugnant and will not survive at RWD.

I also find your experiences to be vastly different than my own while living expat - and vastly different than the dozens (hundreds?) of expats I remain in contact with today. That is NOT to say your experiences (as described) are not shared with some - I know of some expats who live in-country as you do. Just not many.

To the extent your expat experiences are atypical - and they ARE atypical - then for you to be trumpeting "the truth" is most than a little suspect. In fact, I feel confident in stating that much of what you have described is downright BS. Others have been pointing out the same fact.

OTOH, I do find a few points in your posts worthwhile. Unfortunately, your arrogance and condescension serve only to blunt any productive contribution you might otherwise be capable of making.

Unless you demonstrate the capacity to change this trajectory of exchange (and make no mistake, it is YOUR obligation to make the change), not only will the Admin remain awakened, but the Admin and the Mods will begin limiting your disruptions.

Up to you. Choose wisely.

- Dan

[Doll]

for I doubt that my English comprehension is limited

Come on, kids! By saying that Amer just wants more excitement, don't feed him.
He does know it has nothing to do with our reading comprehension (which rarely has much to do with a certain language- it is about brain functioning)

[Doll]

Had he told it to you, I might agree as well. 

Told what?

[Shadow]

Told what?

That sentence you quoted. 

Oh and did you notice that as soon as we ask him to tell difference between 'good' and 'bad' he dodges ? Guess the limits of experience show there.