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[sunandsail]

Amerkanski, after 17 pages I feel I still only have a partial education.

What are your nuanced feelings about age gap?

[Amerkanski]

Yeah - I know about your forum - one of 'em anyway. Checked it out your first day here.

As for your position about "brash" - well, the topic is still open and you are still posting. "Playing through" in your vernacular - at least, for now.

You are correct that we, like all internet fora, have members who stick closely to what is known and comfortable. At the same time, I provided you links to our guiding principles, and it should be clear to you that we also encourage others to consider opinions from others - especially those opinions which are different from their own. The problem in THIS case is you initiated a topic rooted in arrogance (claiming it was YOURS to own), and dismissive of others who challenged or dissented - AND - your style was combative. I have been managing/owning internet discussion fora since the 80's (SysOp at Compuserve before the internet), and have NEVER seen the combination of behaviors you presented result in a productive outcome.

If you are sincere about wanting to make a contribution and feeling you have not been 'heard' as yet - you still have time. In this topic you have been requested by several members to 'get to the point' - but instead, you opt to sling mud.

Make your points - expect challenges and diversity of opinion - 'handle' those challenges with grace and humility - and maybe, just maybe, you can get this back on track. Or don't ... and it will continue to devolve.

- Dan

Ahh you see you can turn into being a softy. I have 12 forums/sites and 40 blogs and a new angler singles site. I will never post them here (don't worry) because I want to come here and get away from that. Anyway, let me ask you a tech question. Do you have time limits on post editing?  

[Doll]

What is RB, Amer?

[CanadaMan]

What is RB, Amer?

I believe he means Russian Bride.

[Shadow]

Or Russian Bastards 

Amerkanski you were so busy telling everyone to go out of your thread (in vain) that you never answered some questions.

1. What is my culture according to you ?
2. How to see the difference between good and bad. You can use your personal experience like comparing your friend's wife to the women that you were involved with (and obviously had bad experiences).

[Amerkanski]

Amerkanski, after 17 pages I feel I still only have a partial education.

What are your nuanced feelings about age gap?

Intellectual stimulation is just as much part of as anything so 10 years is my limit and that's even pushing it.

[groovlstk]

It's really sad to see what could be a valuable exchange, especially for newbs, degenerate into personal feuds.

Seems to me a lot of posters are quibbling about the reasons Americanski's met so many low-quality women - either it's because he's an expat, only cares about $, attracts pro daters, etc. You can dismiss his experiences as someone searching in the weeds, but how are guys who've never been to Russia or Ukraine know where the weeds are?

I'll tell you what, there are plenty of women like Americanski's scheming GF living in the US and married to American men, so there are plenty of other guys searching the same demographic. About a year ago my wife and I started going to these Russian meetups, usually 3-400 people crammed into a cheap restaurant (always with a dance floor!). Inevitably everyone wants to introduce me to any other American husbands present. It was always a lot of fun for me, until the ride home when my wife would give me the background on their wives, who spent the night blathering endlessly about their lovers and astrology and luxury goods, etc. etc. We eventually stopped going because I genuinely liked some of these guys and couldn't stomach looking them in the eye knowing what I knew.

[Amerkanski]

I don't feel qualified to explain it, but rather express my own observations, such as here responding to Doll (I tried in other times as well):

So you see, I don't necessarily disagree with everything you state, but rather I am suggesting that since you are the initiator of this topic, that more elaboration from you would give larger credibility to the points you are making.  

Other points.. many run down looking buildings with elevators from hell.. absolutely... but interior apartments that I have seen are immaculate and well cared for.

Idiot drivers... absolutely.
Rampant corruption.. no doubt
Less politically correct culture (and thus appearing less polite) ... you freakin' bet
Ugly dirty (not to mention difficult to ... nevermind) public toilets and paper laced with razorblades
The need for bottled water.
Gorgeous parks.
Sucky ass steaks.
Terrible bowling lane conditions (they really need to learn the oil should not be applied on the approach! jeeeez...)


I have a little over 300 some odd days on the ground there now (far less than you), in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, Moscow, Omsk, All over Crimea, and Donetsk -- but I've walked the streets alone (even at night) hundredsof times, engaged locals in conversation, shopped for food, clothes, bargained at the open markets, etc.. basically lived on my own and have yet to encounter any sort of problem whatsoever other than a back injury from falling into the Crevasse of Doom for which I received top notch state of the art care at about one tenth the cost of what it would have been in America.. no scams, no muggings, nothing nefarious.  That's not to say it will not happen at some point in the future, but my view of that aspect would be a little different from someone who had some problems.  

SO my overall view is that there is Beautiful, Good, Mediocre, Bad, Terrible, and Ugly...

Now that's a great post to read.. thanks

[Amerkanski]

It's really sad to see what could be a valuable exchange, especially for newbs, degenerate into personal feuds.

Seems to me a lot of posters are quibbling about the reasons Americanski's met so many low-quality women - either it's because he's an expat, only cares about $, attracts pro daters, etc. You can dismiss his experiences as someone searching in the weeds, but how are guys who've never been to Russia or Ukraine know where the weeds are?

I'll tell you what, there are plenty of women like Americanski's scheming GF living in the US and married to American men, so there are plenty of other guys searching the same demographic. About a year ago my wife and I started going to these Russian meetups, usually 3-400 people crammed into a cheap restaurant (always with a dance floor!). Inevitably everyone wants to introduce me to any other American husbands present. It was always a lot of fun for me, until the ride home when my wife would give me the background on their wives, who spent the night blathering endlessly about their lovers and astrology and luxury goods, etc. etc. We eventually stopped going because I genuinely liked some of these guys and couldn't stomach looking them in the eye knowing what I knew.

Wow, now that's brutally honest. It does not surprise me, but honest..

[Doll]

I believe he means Russian Bride.

I am relieved 

[Admin]

Ahh you see you can turn into being a softy. I have 12 forums/sites and 40 blogs and a new angler singles site. I will never post them here (don't worry) because I want to come here and get away from that. Anyway, let me ask you a tech question. Do you have time limits on post editing?  

Do not confuse balance with "being a softy."

To this point, I find very little (maybe no) value in your posts. Those rare glimmers that Dave pointed out upthread are drowned-out by the sheer arrogance you display. Still, I am doing my best to not allow my personal bias to interfere with following the principles we established for RWD. I am also persuaded by GQ's comments, and am willing to allow some room to see where this goes. Not all of the Mods/Advisors share this POV.

And yes, there is a time limit on editing - set to 12 hours IIRC. If you want/need something edited beyond that window, you can send me a PM and it will be considered.

- Dan

[Doll]

Yeah, I googled your email, Amer, I saw these forums- hunters everywhere.
Do you hunt? I mean "hunt?" Just curious.
How old are you? Just a question, because it is hard to say looking at the pic- could be 32-34? 36?

[CanadaMan]

I am relieved 

That is the standard abbreviation.
We will need clarification from Amer.
For all we know he could be referring to 'Russian babe' or 'Russian bitch'.  

[SANDRO43]

How will this thread eventually develop? A likely outcome :

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awskKWzjlhk[/youtube]

[Amerkanski]

To this point, I find very little (maybe no) value in your posts. Those rare glimmers that Dave pointed out upthread are drowned-out by the sheer arrogance you display. Still, I am doing my best to not allow my personal bias to interfere with following the principles we established for RWD. I am also persuaded by GQ's comments, and am willing to allow some room to see where this goes. Not all of the Mods/Advisors share this POV.

Were going to get along well.

And yes, there is a time limit on editing - set to 12 hours IIRC. If you want/need something edited beyond that window, you can send me a PM and it will be considered.

Twelve hours is great.

The reason I ask is I've been catching bot spammer starting stupid threads and then a month later come back and change the text (via anchor) to point to porn or Casinos and getting lots of search engine link juice because of the forum PageRanks being so High.  

[Amerkanski]

Yeah, I googled your email, Amer, I saw these forums- hunters everywhere.
Do you hunt? I mean "hunt?" Just curious.
How old are you? Just a question, because it is hard to say looking at the pic- could be 32-34? 36?

I only like to hunt wild hogs with fair-chase (no dogs) methods. I don't hunt anything else because I don't like game meat all that much. I'll be 44 in a few months.

[Amerkanski]

How will this thread eventually develop? A likely outcome :

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awskKWzjlhk[/youtube]

I named my cat " Tuco"..

[OlgaH]

How will this thread eventually develop? A likely outcome :

or maybe more trivial  

[youtube=425,350]xHmkFK1o4xQ[/youtube]

[Ravens9273]

At this point this thread should be locked or possibly even deleted. If Amerkanski has a point to make it will be lost by anyone new reading this thread by now. Who truly would want to read through so many pages of nonsense.
Amerkanski needs to start a new thread and put his point in the first post if that is his intentions. But keeping this thread going is just a waste of anyones time at this point. If a point is ever made here it will be too far back to matter and difficult for anyone to sustain through this amount of reading to find.

[UTRO]

At this point this thread should be locked or possibly even deleted. If Amerkanski has a point to make it will be lost by anyone new reading this thread by now. Who truly would want to read through so many pages of nonsense.
Amerkanski needs to start a new thread and put his point in the first post if that is his intentions. But keeping this thread going is just a waste of anyones time at this point. If a point is ever made here it will be too far back to matter and difficult for anyone to sustain through this amount of reading to find.

Here Here... a Clean Slate for our new Friend!

[Doll]

I only like to hunt wild hogs with fair-chase (no dogs) methods. I don't hunt anything else because I don't like game meat all that much. I'll be 44 in a few months.

Ok, thank you

[Kunstkammer]

A few hours later - still moderately entertained by this thread.

I want to add to the randomness.

RIP Yegor

[youtube=425,350]rgpuJ4EweU0[/youtube]

[SMS60]

A few hours later - still moderately entertained by this thread.

I want to add to the randomness.

RIP Yegor

[youtube=425,350]rgpuJ4EweU0[/youtube]

The dude singing looks like Seeker!!

[Kunstkammer]

The dude singing looks like Seeker!!

Dude was/is a Legend.

[Seeker]

The dude singing looks like Seeker!!