RWD Commandment #2 - Time to Rethink It?

[markc444]

AJ...without ya'lls advice I doubt I would have thought of the backup plan and although I hope it does not have to be used I do understand all the realities associated with it.  If you don't leave your house much let alone go on long journeys often you don't always think of all the things that others take for granted.  Its a long way from home to try to find things to with so little internet access available in Chita without paying a pretty penny..or ruble.  Thanks Greg, Glyden, Shadow and Misha....I will let you know how things turn out...one way or another...kind of scary and exciting at the same time to think all that I know and am comfortable with on here will soon change in a week from now...but it has been wonderful to see all the guidance this website and people could offer. 

[cranehand]

Mark,
  I just returned fron a months stay in Ukraine on a WOVO trip.  I took the advise from members here and jotted down a few numbers of local agency's.  Packed it deep into my luggage and forgot about it after about 15 min off the plane in Kyiv.

Thuth is none of us plan to fail we only fail to plan. 

Good luck and I hope everything plays out like you wish it to.

Please keep us posted

[Mike78]

If I plan a double-WOVO trip (one girl in Moscow, one in SPB, them not knowing about each other), that's still OK in your book, right? :evil:

[edu]

So for the men who have "lists" when visiting women in other countries.  What would you say if you know that the primary girl also has another list?  What kid of woman would accept that?

I'm just thinking that if relationships require having lists of tests, then they are doomed from the beginning.  Why bother traveling around the world? 

I would say travel to Ukraine or Russia or wherever as a tourist and do the tourist thing; then see a girl as a back up plan.  That way, I can have a good time without the pressure. And if I hit it off with the girl, then even better and have a productive trip.

Just my two cents.

[Gylden]

edu,

If you have a bullet proof vest, now would be a good time to put it on!!
 

[Seeker]

edu,

If you have a bullet proof vest, now would be a good time to put it on!!
 

I was thinking the same thing.   

[Seeker]

So for the men who have "lists" when visiting women in other countries.  What would you say if you know that the primary girl also has another list?  What kid of woman would accept that?

I'm just thinking that if relationships require having lists of tests, then they are doomed from the beginning.  Why bother traveling around the world? 

I would say travel to Ukraine or Russia or wherever as a tourist and do the tourist thing; then see a girl as a back up plan.  That way, I can have a good time without the pressure. And if I hit it off with the girl, then even better and have a productive trip.

Just my two cents.

Everyone here has their own reasons, and their own way of doing things.  Some are as you describe, some are not.  Most are a mix with a lot of other things thrown in.

I guess the question is why do you (or I) look towards the FSU for a partner?  We each have to ask ourselves that, and to live with the answer if that is what we decide to do.

My guess is that you have some interest because you are here.

[edu]

I am way interested.  But by reading here and in other sites and by experience, doing the online thing is a nightmare.  It's not so much about effort, time, or even money.  It's finding a good place to start. I've done the free dating site and had to deal with scammers.  The agencies, either some of the girls just send me processed letters or I might think they don't want to see me. 

In 2003 I met a girl from Kyrgistan who was working in Korea.  I returned to the states and went to Korea to see her about 2 months later, but she was already engaged to some guy. I was glad I had friends there and I got to go to Thailand  as a "back up" plan.  In 2007, I dated a girl from Russia.  Very beautiful and definitely way out of "most men's" leagues, but she just wanted to marry and was pressuring me.  I was turned off and eventually she found another man.  They have a kid now and we are still friends. Even with those two experiences I still have positive opinions.

[Seeker]

I am way interested.  But by reading here and in other sites and by experience, doing the online thing is a nightmare.  It's not so much about effort, time, or even money.  It's finding a good place to start. I've done the free dating site and had to deal with scammers.  The agencies, either some of the girls just send me processed letters or I might think they don't want to see me. 

In 2003 I met a girl from Kyrgistan who was working in Korea.  I returned to the states and went to Korea to see her about 2 months later, but she was already engaged to some guy. I was glad I had friends there and I got to go to Thailand  as a "back up" plan.  In 2007, I dated a girl from Russia.  Very beautiful and definitely way out of "most men's" leagues, but she just wanted to marry and was pressuring me.  I was turned off and eventually she found another man.  They have a kid now and we are still friends. Even with those two experiences I still have positive opinions.

Sounds like a good attitude to have.  I can't tell you where to start, I sort of got lucky and met a special woman by accident.  Others here can help you more with the details of the search.  Good luck, and welcome to RWD.

[edu]

Sounds like a good attitude to have.  I can't tell you where to start, I sort of got lucky and met a special woman by accident.  Others here can help you more with the details of the search.  Good luck, and welcome to RWD.

Thxs 

[ECOCKS]

So for the men who have "lists" when visiting women in other countries.  What would you say if you know that the primary girl also has another list?  What kid of woman would accept that?

I'd say she's a single woman, free to date who/when/where she wishes. The only real question I would have would be did she lie or otherwise mislead me.

I'm just thinking that if relationships require having lists of tests, then they are doomed from the beginning.  Why bother traveling around the world?  

Yes, Virginia, there are scammers, pro-daters, GCG's, prostitutes and such who are  looking for targets of opportunity. Some of them are in Lugansk and YO, some are in San Diego and Philadelphia. In truth, whether you are dating the girl next door or the woman halfway around the world everyone "judges" each other at every moment. It's semantics, if you don't want to call it  a "test", then just look until you find a loving woman who you trust and can picture yourself living with for the rest of our life.

I would say travel to Ukraine or Russia or wherever as a tourist and do the tourist thing; then see a girl as a back up plan.  That way, I can have a good time without the pressure. And if I hit it off with the girl, then even better and have a productive trip.

That's a great idea, however, it's a bit off from the focus of most of the men (and women) here. Most (but certainly not all) have chosen to "look" for a long-term relationship in the FSU. If you are more the "go where you will and if Ms. Right comes along, then GREAT" type you're not exactly "focused" on finding an FSU for an LTR. Yes, a few of us did just "find" the woman we wanted to marry while visiting or living in the FSU. Some were there for business, others as adventurers, the occasional missionary/diplomat and a few as tourists. Just be honest with who you are and what your goals are.

Just my two cents.

[Faux Pas]

So for the men who have "lists" when visiting women in other countries.  What would you say if you know that the primary girl also has another list?  What kid of woman would accept that?

I'm just thinking that if relationships require having lists of tests, then they are doomed from the beginning.  Why bother traveling around the world? 

I would say travel to Ukraine or Russia or wherever as a tourist and do the tourist thing; then see a girl as a back up plan.  That way, I can have a good time without the pressure. And if I hit it off with the girl, then even better and have a productive trip.

Just my two cents.

Actually, not a bad frame of mind, for a tourist. Seems you don't perform well under pressure and need escape chutes. However, you can fill a schedule without ever meeting women so you have a decision to make. Do you want to be a tourist or do you want to meet some serious relationship minded women?

If you are capable of shooting from the hip meeting people, more specifically women on the fly, I would highly recommend traveling to the FSU without a list or much of an agenda. A great time could be had. I have been in 3 different Russian cities with time on my hands and have discovered it is very doable. There is the question of communication. Do you speak the language? Are you prepared to communicate through a translator? Speaking the language would make it much easier and could make the difference in a good time or a miserable one.

[GQBlues]

So for the men who have "lists" when visiting women in other countries.  What would you say if you know that the primary girl also has another list?  What kid of woman would accept that?

I'm just thinking that if relationships require having lists of tests, then they are doomed from the beginning.  Why bother traveling around the world?  

I would say travel to Ukraine or Russia or wherever as a tourist and do the tourist thing; then see a girl as a back up plan.  That way, I can have a good time without the pressure. And if I hit it off with the girl, then even better and have a productive trip.

Just my two cents.

..and here's a penny back for your thoughts.

Bottom line, you need to follow your conviction, where it takes you is likely where you deserve to be.

Good luck!